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DreamOfTheRood
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Omnie wrote:
Why would she have access to transcripts of conversations that didn't involve her, when sometimes she can't remember stuff that happened a minute ago? Although, why would Syn be posting puzzles for us to solve in the first place? Is it all Clea? I'm confused.


From what I gathered, those conversations were taking place as the people were all in the same room with Syn. Thus, she could have biologically overheard them, even though her consciousness was elsewhere/restrained.
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Omnie
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Ok, that makes sense. But, why is she posting puzzles at all? It made complete sense for Clea to do it - she was trying to teach us and wanted us to earn it first. But Syn?

Maybe we should ask her about the puzzles/website in chat?

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the puzzles are being posted by Eccliastia not Syn, Syn told us Ecc was sending us that package and when we got the package is when we found the trail of websites which perfectly matches up with what Ecc said since she also said she'd give us the package and wanted to test us. The puzzles are Eccliastia making sure we are worthy and as we prove ourselves we gradually learn more about Syn.


edit - another thing we talked about which character was her father earlier "him" or "devil" I must have missed this from last nights chat.

Quote:
Synagoga1: He said he was my father...
Synagoga1: And Eccleastia told me he was a devil when he left, and I shouldn't talk to him.


I think that says pretty definatively that devil is the father. (I dont think its the devil just what ecc calls him.

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I just noticed how weird the bolded part here is:
log 004 wrote:
<Devil> Ok, ok. I see you want to know. As you wish, of course. We are using her because she will die otherwise. And I'd rather not see a life go to waste.
<Eccleastia> Are we sure of her death?
<Devil> I am positive. There is no other way.

No other way? As in, whatever they're doing is the only way to keep her alive? If that's the implication, then, wow. I'm starting to lean towards Tony's brain in a vat theory, sort of. I'm not sure if we mean the same thing by it, but maybe they're working on sort of "liberating" her from her body? Maybe they're giving her strong mental powers along with that (maybe one is needed for the other), which is the reason for the harsh control. Have any of you guys read Julian May's Milieu Saga? I keep thinking of that psychic kid who eventually discarded his body completely (Jack, I think his name was).

jordanmc - if it's true that it's just Clea (and I completely agree with what you wrote re:the earlier puzzles, I'm only wondering about the latest ones that have been based on nicknames), then this doesn't make sense:
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She left a clue in a place where only you would know to look! Where is it!

Who's "she"? Who wrote that? Confusion.
[edit] to answer my own question and say that I think it's probably Syn who wrote it. A place where only "reel" would know to look = a movie, right? Constantine. (Heh, it's ironic that I haven't seen it yet, but anyway.) I would wager that Syn probably hasn't seen it either, and the contents of 1Cor17:1 remained elusive even in the face of my best "giggling" efforts.

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REPLAYING LOG FILE spec0_0 :::

ok, time for some sketchy spec. (after /ace solved) I will contradict myself but the confusion's fun! All will be revealed, time is everything after all.

Synagoga had an accident, or a disease, and the project took over (remember cardiac arrest) Seems shes getting stronger anyhow - a sign that the bodys getting better? Basically, she is computer and human mind. She definitely has flesh, and human appearance. I think this is what the tank is for, to keep her body alive. Maybe she had brain damage? I think she was named after google, and has some kind of unconsious connection with the internet. I think she is being taught to use these connections more and more. The computer also monitors her health, etc, creates log files. We, for example dont have concious access to the workings of, say our spleen, but its possible to find that out, give the right way to look, medical training, background knowledge etc.

I think that what the project was looking for was a young malleable mind, that could survive and adapt to connection to such a network. Young mnds form neuro pathways easily! At first they didnt want her access to her device, so she went and found another one by herself.

Now, whats possible is that shes now begun to connect with the net itself. and by net, i mean information as a whole. The ultimate search engine perhaps! By blinding her physical eyes, she develops the other senses. And maybe the webpages etc that she creates are the start of an extension to the human brain, where our thoughts can be turned into information, published.

Now, ecc, she works on the project. one of the creators of the hybrid. Of course she has concerns of her own, moral ones. Blimey, you cant start mucking about with humans like this! What a monster this could be. Access to any system on the planet - finger on the button, eyes on the banks and polictians, power systems, hospitals.

so what started out to be the ultimate search engine, turns out to be a new form of human life, cyberpunk style.

now, its got interesting with the connection to "the greater source" - is this the new pretty friend who thinks names are too limiting. perhaps. At least the new friend likes all of us.... phew!

----LOG FILE CORRUPTED :: SPEC OVERFLOW ERROR ----
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Spec:Syn is a genetically engineered life form, a sort of 'key' to a great power. (Kind of like outlaw star.). She has HUGE intelligence, but no common sence, or social skills, since she lives in a tank of water.
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Heh, I had a long speccy thing posted and then realized that it was mostly just a restatement of what chippy wrote. So, I'll just say that I agree! Not psychic powers, but a mind that partially exists in the net. Like Jane from the original sequels to Ender's Game.

Sidenote: maybe Syn's visions are satelite images and the like.

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email about plague, led me to do some googling
http://tinyurl.com/3z7up

Quote:
"Hellblazer - All His Engines" is an epic horror graphic novel written by Mike Carey When a mysterious worldwide plague puts millions of people into deadly comas - including Chas Chandler's granddaughter, Tricia - Earth's foremost expert on the bizarre, John Constantine, steps in with the "cure." John is happy to do a favor for his oldest and closest friend, but in scratching the surface of this seemingly personal tragedy, he finds a mad demon in a body woven out of cancer cells; a plot to build franchised Hells in the cities of men and unleash a plague of coma cases stretching from London to L.A. To rescue a single innocent child from the clutches of this evil, both John and Chas will have to face temptations they never dreamed of, forging alliances with monsters every bit as terrible as the ones they're fighting. And in the end, when he's out of gas and in the hands of his enemies, the Hellblazer is always up for that one last desperate game of poker...
theres.. plague... little girl..sleepy...poker..constantine...
BUT, no techno chips-in-head, talks-to-the-spirit-of-the-internet, no ducks.

looks good, in any event. and it seems to be set in the good ole british isles Very Happy
edit:::read the book - quite good - but not really related (which is nice)
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I was just thinking since all the files we've been getting branching off /chaton have been these log files, do you think the log file numbers order them chronilogically?

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JordanL: go fer it.

I have now gone off the brian in a vat thing and will join the multiple persoinality theory. As thus:


Eccleastia: But there will be a chip in my head.
Him: Well, yes, but that's nothing. It will be like waking up something you never knew you had.
Eccleastia: But I don't have it. And it doesn't exist.
Him: Well, now it will. Good night honey!

The second line. Perhaps the multiple personality which Ecce doesnt beleive is there? One that Ecce had no knowledge and pushed away from? Could the blind and shock be from Syn's personality in her mind? and not being able to see through Ecce's eyes? Can Ecce control that chip enough so the shock punishment was all in the mind to Syn's personality?

The deal with the Devil may have been for bringing Syn out, something every person has, the God within them, perhaps? Syn may have far greater powers but knows not how to use them, and Ecce is tad afraid of Syn's knowing those powers.


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The context of the first log leads me to believe that Syn existed prior to the chip being implanted in Eccles' brain -- they refer to her, her life, and how it'll end otherwise -- and Eccles is using these terms to refer to someone else.

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Syn is on life support, or near death, due to early childhood or infancy illness/trauma. In order to keep her alive, they somehow put her consciousness into a chip in a host brain -- Eccles. It's entirely possible that Syn's current maturity took place inside her mind -- with no body to restrain her or limit growth. Hook Eccles or her chip up to the internet, and Syn is part of the internet, the most powerful computer in the world, but since it's part of her, she understands how it works the same way we feel our spleens working.

Syn has developed enough to make use of Eccles hearing, but probably (intentionally) not her vision (so that Eccles will still have secrets of her own).

Or it could be Syn's in a tank, and the chip is simply how Eccles bends her around to her will.

Either way, the chip WOULD account for the bizarre emotional outbursts Eccles suffers, and their reduction in frequency as her biology stabilizes with the chip.

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I don't think Syn is as much 'damaged' as she is just jailed. Like in the minority report, the people were born that way, but they were harnessed to cruel ends. Maybe syn is like that- a rare occurrence. Or maybe she is a genetically engineered thing. I see syn escaping/getting out of the tank soner or later.
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If she is in a tank, I see it unlikely that she will escape. Her body will adapt and become dependant to whatever is in the tank, and the constant liquid around her. Plus, we don't seem to have a hero character yet, and we're hardly going to go and get her ourselves are we?
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and if she is the spawn of satan, then maybe we shouldnt release her as yet. I think there definitely is a 'sleeping' side to Synagoga's personality which we havn't seen. There are trigger words which make her reboot- when we ask her, about her memories etc. So there might also be trigger words for other more terrible things.

Overtime, in my eyes, I think Ecc gains more credibility, and I lose some faith in Syn. We don't know for sure she isn't a monster, and let's not rule out having to destroy her at one point in the future. Maybe it will prove that ending her current existance, would be more humane than letting her suffer.

spec only, im just saying keep an open mind. Wink

to draw upon the ilb example, which i dislike using- but for lack of a better one, many of the players got very attached to the sleeping princess, but by the end they had to 'betray' that personality, in order to re-glue melissa back together, a hard choice for many, but ultimately the right one.

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Perhaps Ecc is stopping for a moment and wondering just how evil Syn is. Being the one who shocks her Syn is afraid of Ecc so she dons a new personality to get an unbiased view, though I do not think that the unknown talks like Ecc, rather the unknown talks more like Him.

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