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aNgus
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 		ohh... Embarassed how silly of me...

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rowan72 wrote:
aNgus wrote:
Entering crown into energy.php gives you 1 28 02 05 14 28 23.
It's an update page. It means the site was last updated on Feb 28th at 5:14 am PST


I just tried it at 3pm PST and got slightly different numbers: 1 28 02 05 15 00 59 -- is it recording another change, or just reporting when I checked? I'm reading the numbers as (1) (day 28th) (month Feb) (year '05) (hour 15) (minutes) (seconds) -- so the earlier set was not 5:14 but 14:28 or 2:28pm.

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rowan
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 		This teaches me to try to answer stuff quickly while doing other stuff. I goofed up and read the 05 as 5am. 05 is the year. I have it posted correctly on the wiki:

W DD MM YY HH MM SS
(expressed as: Weekday Day Month Year Hour Minute Second)

So, the latest update on simonsumiera is: 1 28 02 05 15 19 50

Monday, 28th February 2005 15:19:50 (3:19 pm PST)

Sorry for the confusion Embarassed
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 		Some disagreements or cautions with the interpretations in the wiki:

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Ta278 could be < rather than <>.

Also, if we have the true/false part right, then Ta693 can not be == "is equal to" because the next-to-last equation would be "0 == 1 * 0 False" which would be incorrect.

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StarryNight wrote:
Some disagreements or cautions with the interpretations in the wiki:

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Ta278 could be < rather than <>.

Also, if we have the true/false part right, then Ta693 can not be == "is equal to" because the next-to-last equation would be "0 == 1 * 0 False" which would be incorrect.


Well, according to the will crown page: 1 Ta278 0 so it definitely couldn't be <

The Ta693 is quite tricker. Also from will crown: 2 * 1 Ta693 2

It has to be some sort of equal to, but in a way that allows 0 Ta693 1 * 0 to be false (if Vl is false). I don't know enough about mathematics that to determine what sort of symbol it could be. Maybe a symbol where the order is important. Notice that 1+1 Ta693 2 is true. Is there a symbol that says "will always equal"? 1+1 will always equal 2, but 2 won't always equal 1+1. It could be 1*2 or 0+2.
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rowan72 wrote:
Well, according to the will crown page: 1 Ta278 0 so it definitely couldn't be <


I hadn't noticed the will crown page code. However, the code is Dq805 Ta278 Dq380 which translates to 0 ? 2, so it could be <. Did this page change?

There is another one Dq195 Ta312 Dq805, which translates to 1 Ta312 0, so perhaps that one has changed?

rowan72 wrote:
The Ta693 is quite tricker. Also from will crown: 2 * 1 Ta693 2

It has to be some sort of equal to, but in a way that allows 0 Ta693 1 * 0 to be false (if Vl is false). I don't know enough about mathematics that to determine what sort of symbol it could be. Maybe a symbol where the order is important. Notice that 1+1 Ta693 2 is true. Is there a symbol that says "will always equal"? 1+1 will always equal 2, but 2 won't always equal 1+1. It could be 1*2 or 0+2.


I've been puzzling over this too. Why would 2=2 be true and 0=0 be false? I've played around with this quite a bit and haven't come up with anything that would fit the other equations yet.
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 		Summarizing, it looks like this is the proper translation:
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Dq805 = 0
Dq195 = 1
Dq380 = 2

Ta285 = +
Ta997 = *
Ta427 = =

Ta278 = <
Ta693 = >= or <=
Ta312 = > or >=

Vl885 = True
Vl397 = False


Except that this statement doesn't work (from will tartarus)
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Dq805 Ta693 Dq195 Ta997 Dq805 Vl397
0 >= 1 * 0 False


Edit: There is another possibility for Ta693
Edit2: There is also another possibility for Ta312
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 		Maybe that's what the update was I couldn't find. Sneaking bastards. And since I've learned to always do a cut and paste after the automatically/automagically fiasco, I'm pretty positive it was Dq195 Ta278 Dq805 in the beginning and not Dq195 Ta312 Dq805.
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 		Hmm, I don't know what kind of comparison operator would be true for 2 ? 2 but not 0 ? 0. I keep hoping for an update to change something!

And just to note, we don't even know that the math theory is correct, since we've never been able to use it for anything. It does fit fairly well, but we don't want to rule anything out.

Here's a link to the wiki and the original glyphs: http://deaddrop.us/wiki/index.php/Glyph0.htm

I've been trying to figure out something from the other tartarus pages:

Quote:
energy->tartarus
"Here, of course, we see once again the tendency of the so-called ancient peoples to assign to occult concepts both a region and a place," the instructor continued imperturbably. "Here again we encounter Sir James' Fallacy, where in fact looking at a concept from two directions can actually enhance our understanding of such a concept."


Sir James: could be Sir James George Frazer, author a "The Golden Bough," a study of magic and religion through history. I know I'm missing something as I read that paragraph.

Quote:
The boy next to her smiled. "It reminds me of the Sumerian deity, perhaps demon, of Kur..."


The Sumerian demon of Kur is Namtar, or Fate. A servant of Nergal and Ereshkigal, the king and queen of the underworld. What's the Greek equivalent?
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/mythology/sumer-faq/

OK, that's it for now, not having much luck so far.

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JoeUser wrote:
Hmm, I don't know what kind of comparison operator would be true for 2 ? 2 but not 0 ? 0. I keep hoping for an update to change something!


My theory is, it isn't [2 ? 2] and [0 ? 0] but [1 + 1 ? 2] and [0 ? 1 * 0]. My theory is that the order matters and if the second were written [1 * 0 ? 0] it would be true (unless of course this is another typo. if that's the case, just throw this out the window). It's like saying "all squares are rectangles" (square = rectangle) - that's true. But the reverse "all rectangles are squares" (rectangle = square) is false. 1+1 will always equal 2, but 0 can be the end result of many numbers.

Does any of this make sense?

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The Fates:
The Fates have the subtle but, awesome power of deciding a mans destiny. The assign a man to good or evil. There most obvious choice is choosing how long a man lives. There are three Fates. Clotho, the spinner, who spins the thread of life. Lachesis, the measurer, who chooses the lot in life one will have and measures off how long it is to be. Atropos, she who can not be turn, who at death with her shears cuts the tread of life.

The Fates are old and predate the gods. It is not entirely clear how far their power extends. It is possible that they determine the fate of the gods as well. In any case, not even the most powerful is willing to trifle with them.

Clotho, Lachesis or Atropos didnt work as keywords at simonsumeria Sad
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 		about glyph "Ta693" there is a mathematical symbol which could work here. always equal to - it is represented by an equal sign with three lines.

Dq195 Ta285 Dq195 Ta693 Dq380 Vl885 1 + 1 -= 2 True
Dq805 Ta693 Dq195 Ta997 Dq805 Vl397 0 -= 1 * 0 False

the second is false because 0 = 2 * 0 or anything else times zero but 1 + 1 always equals 2.

(I like being a mathematics student. ^_^)

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