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[LOCKED] [PUZZLE] [SPEC] 24-digit postcard number
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Seej
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songofthephoenix wrote:
Perhap's there is more we need to work out before the number will make sense? or perhap's it has something to do with the pattern that is above it?

With the pattern.. I am thinking that it is along the same kinda line as how the binary was worked out. lights being on and off. the pattern being a grid with white being on and black being off. The pattern has some weird features. Both the top and the left hand side are on / off, on / off etc. Then for some reason the next row is slightly thrown off. Then again and again. It's not symmetrical so it must include a code of some kind. Being that the sides have symmetary and the rest doesn't.

If we work out the offset of the symmetary with have the code.

That's a semacode - a 2-D barcode and it decodes to www.perplexcity.com. We translated this ages ago and it's all on The Wiki. Please check there or use Search to save you repeating work we've already done.

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Ok, I'm confused. The semacode is deciphered to www.perplexcity.com - correct? But the Wiki says it is still being worked on. I must be missing something obvious and I apologize - I have been back and forth too many times - I don;t get it?

Is it solved or not???

Thank you in advance!
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The semacode's been solved. The number below the semacode is what everyones pounding their heads about Bang Head
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Any change we could find some high power mathamadevice to list the cube of the number, and the cube of that, and so on. There'd be a lot of digits... we're sure to find something then!
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I decided to come up with fFactors of the number.
but as it happens, 221545484848465100503215 is a really big number. fFactors i've fFound easily are (3, 5, 7 (and the corresponding huge numbers)), at which point i realized i need a really good fFactorial fFinder. My linux box has a swanky "factor" tool, but it doesnt like a number with 58 bits. Smile anyone else have a better fFactor fFinder?

(elementary math refresher: a fFactor is any number which can be divided into another number. so fFactors of 12 are (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12))
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postcard number

I am new to ARG's and have been going crazy after reading an article in new scientist last week which led me to this one... Anyway factoring this number results in the following:

{3, 2}, {19, 1}, {617, 1}, {27109, 1}, {1267723, 1}, {56203129, 1}, \
{282239635388087513222586427338026526015658815654831013, 1}

That last is a very large prime number which I doubt is coincidental. But then what do I know...

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I apologize, the last post gave the factors of a different number I found in the source code of sentemail.com...

The factors of the number we are interested in are:

{3, 1}, {5, 1}, {7, 1}, {47, 1}, {5419, 1}, {8284314836123531, 1}

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Re: postcard number

Nevada wrote:
I am new to ARG's and have been going crazy after reading an article in new scientist last week which led me to this one...


Article. Post. Now. Smile
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Article. Post. Now.

I assume that was a request for me to post the article which guided me to this ARG.

Actually after trying to find the site I found that this sequence actually guided me here:

Looked here: http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=news.html?id%3D4283 Which led me here: http://tech.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_2100-1024_3-5590956.html? Which pointed to here: http://perplexcity.com

Sorry if you looked in newscientist and didn't find an article, didn't mean to waste your time…

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This is my theory on the 24 digit of the postcard.

The postcard was sent from Sente so that he could show us how he is going to communicate with us. Its a sort of verification process.

The building on the front was coded as helloword.. which is basically the example you would find in many programming tutorials.

The 2-d bardcode mentioned the url, however, the url was already mentioned on the postcard so it was useless information.

I have a feeling the 24 digit, I feel is going to relate to something like this. It's more of a means for Sente to go .. 'ok, well they understand the code, they are looking in the right area.. I will do more of the same, but this time a little more cryptic'.

Obviously he doesn't want just anyone to find the, hence the cryptic messages.

So playing on that theory.. we have an idea of what the code will refer to..

Also, cryptic messages require both a lock and key. I doubt it refer's to anything musical as there is no sign of anything musical upon the postcard. The building had row's of 8 with the light's on and off, which is basically what binary is. There was earlier reference of a barcode in game.

I also have a feeling the numbers are backwards - my theory for this is because it is aligned to the left - i.e moving right to left.

Another theory is that it relates to a maze where you move right, down, left, up according to the digit's of the 24 digit number, which then creates a 2-d barcode.

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songofthephoenix wrote:

I also have a feeling the numbers are backwards - my theory for this is because it is aligned to the left - i.e moving right to left.

Another theory is that it relates to a maze where you move right, down, left, up according to the digit's of the 24 digit number, which then creates a 2-d barcode.


Good luck. Anyone wanna try?
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It wouldn't be UPS, it would be Aussie postage...

Just joined the game, and hoping a set of fresh eyes can help on this 24 digit annoyance.
As previously discussed in other postings:

2210 is the postal code for Syndey, specifically a few towns in New South Wales:

LOCATION: LUGARNO, NSW
POSTCODE: 2210
CATEGORY: Delivery Area
2. LOCATION: PEAKHURST, NSW
POSTCODE: 2210
CATEGORY: Delivery Area
3. LOCATION: PEAKHURST HEIGHTS, NSW
POSTCODE: 2210
CATEGORY: Delivery Area
4. LOCATION: RIVERWOOD, NSW
POSTCODE: 2210
CATEGORY: Delivery Area

That being said, a few observations.

1.) Whomever suggested to check the USPS database had the right idea, wrong country. Postage is typically stamped from where the letter (or post card). This being said, I did some brief browsing on the Australian postal service website, and came up with nothing.

2.) When you buy postage at USPS automated postal centers, you do get a stamp that uses semacode. Does austrailia have the same system (not that this is a real postmark anyway)? Does anyone have a cancelled Aussie postcard to see if the general format is similar in anyway?

Cheers,

Marc

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Well its not a Semacode, its a DataMatrix or a 2D Barcode, Semacode is a product name for using them for URLs.
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I live rrrrright next door to the 2210 post code. I can not think of anything that relates to the game that is within that area and to be honest, without some kind of smaller clue it would be impossible to find if anything was within that area.

As for the usps etc.. we have to remember that the postcard was sent via the perplex city postal service (pcps).

The number is a strange number.. it has repeating patterns within it, however they do not completely form natural patterns. So there is a randomness to it. I had thought of breaking up the number into smaller groups.. except the 00 in it throws it off and we do not have a location to 'slice' the number up. We do not know if the numvers form co-ords as in x,y or even x,y, z. The number has been hacked to pieces by many different formulae.

It doesn't seem to be a sequence of sort's because we have a lot of repeating groups of numerals. so it can't be something like 1st numeral ++ or even anything remotely close.

We do not know if the number itself refers directly to an image such as number.jpg or a webpage somewhere such as number.html

I was even thinking that perhaps it was the alphanumeric numbers on a phone.. but phones dont use 0's or 1's for letters.

I don't think there is much point trying to guess what the number has to do with as we could be here as eon's pass before us. If someone does want to tear it to piece's with math's the first thing you should note is that it doesn't go above 8 and also 7 isn't mentioned.

It could be a catalog number for all we know because that is what a number is below a bar code =(

If perplexcity and our worlds are similar. When I look at a barcode the number below it is just a cat number. .. and a 4 digit numeral is usually a postal code.

blah, for all we know it could relate to the number of sand flies living on Venus.. and as far as Sente is aware, the number doesn't seem to hold significance yet otherwise he would have added a little extra to the other postcards or given us another clue somewhere that relates to the number.

Seeing that we can not find any form of code within the number's.. perhap's the number's have another use? i.e 4 digit pin plus 24 digit key?
I would more likely go with this than anything else.

I think this link justifiy's that:
http://www.net-security.org/news.php?id=5946
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Songofthephoenix wrote:
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It could be a catalog number for all we know because that is what a number is below a bar code
I am not a numers person. The thing that stuck out to me was that "2215 4548484846510050 3215" the numbers at the end were exactly 1000 higher than at the beginning of the string. IT looks like a course catalog in university, or departments in a general ledger. I got the impression that solving the middle portion takes a person from 2215 to 3215. But I have no clue or proof for that.

In the Firebox catalog the cube was product # S2251.

I thought someone solved part of it and got "RSVP" ?? That seemed to make perfect sense. We were sent an invitation and we responded.

Anyway, my two cents FWIW . . .
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