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misery_of_pain
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I didnt even email Martha and got this just now:

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There is a person impersonating my daughter. As well as someone named Jordan Townsend. He is not related to me, or my family. Jordan Fruchtenbaum was the one who found it. These people are not a part of this. They could be one of them trying to find me. I repeat, they are not, and should not be a part of this. Talking to them puts us all in danger.


I was going to ask her about Hope and Jordan, but looks like I dont have to!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:08 pm
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the document

While searching for info from the document Jordan has, I came across this:
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1945 Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States. 'Program F' is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs

I found it here:http://www.umedia.com/MediaMike/GovAtrocities.html

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Wow, trying to piece all this together.....Hope's added me to her contact list and sent me the email asking if i can help locate martha......my gut instinct says that her and this jordan are pretty suspect - the whole 'she's suffering from mental illness, she needs to be with her family' thing sounds like a euphemism for 'she needs to be kept quiet.' So if we don't trust them, do we a) keep contact as we have been so far and see if they offer any more info, b) make no further contact with them, like martha says we should, or c) play along with them and see what info we can coerce from them Laughing ? So far we don't really have much to go on, other than who are die Soldaten, lester kraus, jordan etc and what's the deal with the experiment - perhaps if we can find out what martha's trying to find out (if you follow me) we'll know what to start asking jordan T and hope.......sorry if I'm not making much sense here, just thinking out loud and am pretty confused myself! And possibly also missing the point somewhere.....

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What's Hope's MSN name? Think I'll add her too.

Martha seems really distressed that people have contacted "Hope" and "Jordan".

I think you're right flutesalad. We should have some people in contact with Hope and Jordan but be wary of what they say. We also need to keep in contact with Martha as a top priority.

BTW, I also think I'm missing the point or just some sort of important information... We'll see what happens on the unholymovie site
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Ok, just spoke to Hope as I posted that. She seemed very keen to know what her 'mother'had been telling us!
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flutesalad says: hello?

flutesalad says: i read your message

Hope says: Thankyou

flutesalad says: i was wondering how you want me to help

Hope says: I need to find the location of Martha Townsend.

flutesalad says: i know

flutesalad says: i understand that you want to find her - although i've had some contact with her i don't know her location

flutesalad says: and she seems to be in a vulnerable situation, i don't want to put her in more danger - how can i be sure we can trust you?

Hope says: You have to believe that we are only looking out for her best interests.She is not in any danger.I am also curious to know what she has been telling people.

flutesalad says: you say that she suffers from mental illness

flutesalad says: but she is very certain - adamant, even - that her daughter is dead

Hope says: Yes she can be very pursistent in her beliefs that everyone is against her and that i am dead.What else has she been explaining?

flutesalad says: very little, she doesn't know who to truse

flutesalad says: *trust

Hope says: well i insist for you not to encourage her talk of such things as the evolution of warfare.

flutesalad says: she has made no mention of the evolution of warfare to me, or any of the people working to help her, as far as i know

Hope says: interesting usually it is her favourite fantasy that she delves into.

Hope says: I would like you to not believe these things she says for your own benefit.

flutesalad says: you understand my concern, though?

flutesalad says: i have no previous knowledge of either you or martha, so at the moment i don't know who to trust or distrust

Hope says: Yes i do.Thankyou for being concened for her saftey.

flutesalad says: i just don't want to compromise her safety.......I'm sure as her daughter you understand that

Hope says:
Everything she says is a lie.
Various people are worried for her health.
I understand your concerns.

Hope says:
Goodbye


So nothing new there really, although like I say she does seem keen to know what martha's been saying, especially with regard to the evolution of warfare - seeing as martha's not mentioned this (i think) I'm guessing this is something she knows about, and they (whoever the may be) don't want her letting any cats out of any bags... Confused I was going to ask about die Soldaten etc but she logged out too quick. Darn.

Hope's msn name is hope_townsendSPLAThotmail.co.uk, btw. Original, eh?

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Ok well I've added Hope and will wait to see if I get anything from her. Just gonna go message Jordan...

Hm, I tried to add Hope but the message got bounced back. hope _townsendSPLAThotmail.com (without the space) doesnt exist??
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Shoot, I copied it down wrong - my mistake!

It's hope_townsendSPLAThotmail.co.uk. Not .com That ought to work now.

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Hm.. co.uk? Yet apparently Jordan (Hope's "brother" is in PA (Pennsylvania right?)

seems strange to me that a Yank registered a British email... Maybe I need to get some sleep Razz
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misery_of_pain wrote:
Maybe I need to get some sleep Razz


You're not the only one Laughing Now you've got me wondering why the UK email's being used - I mean, it's not just Jordan et al, but the whole story with the experiment that's based across the pond....perhaps we're about to find out that Hope didn't commit sucide but emigrated to the UK instead...? Who knows. Seems that all we've got on her so far is that she reckons we should trust her, and that martha reckons we shouldn't. But on the other hand, martha doesn't seem to trust anyone...

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Martha trusts me Razz

Maybe the Die Soldaten emigrated over here to continue experiments on us Brits Shocked

Kind of explains Norfolk haha!

Anywho, I can't see that being possible either. Brits hate Germans.
Very strange
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Sorry for the double post. Hope just signed in to MSN. I'm talking to her now so I'll post the convo when we're done (I hope to God my puter doesnt crash!!!!!)

Ok here goes:

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Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
we need to talk about your mother.
Hope says:
Hello

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
Hello. She has told me about you.
Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I am a very close friend.
Hope says:
What has she been saying?

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
That you were a beautiful young girl.
Hope says:
She seems to think that i died.But i am very much alive.She has not seen me for a while.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
When do you remember seeing her last?
Hope says:
we saw her only last week.but she ran from us .

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
She never mentioned this.
Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
Sorry to be foward, but are you living in Pennsylvnia currently?
Hope says:
No i am overseas working

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I see. May I ask doing what? It's ok if you can't talk about it.
Hope says:
I am not open to discuss the deatails of my job.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
That's ok
Hope says:
I work for a research sector in an International company.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I currently bake cakes hehe. May I ask where you are based?
Hope says:
the United kingdom and occasionally elsewhere in Europe.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I am in Southern England. Where are you?
Hope says:
further north.I am wondering what my mother has been telling you.could you please help me in understanding her current mental state?

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
She seems distressed.
Hope says:
How so?about her ellaborate fantasies?

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
From what she's told me, I wouldnt call them "elborate".
Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
Ellaborate too hehe
Hope says:
So she has not told you a lot.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
define "a lot"
Hope says:
Explain the things she has told you.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I'm sorry but I can't. I dont know you well enough to discuss that.
Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
Do you know of Lester Kraus?
Hope says:
could you then tell me honestly if she has mentioned the evolution of warfare or something to that effect?

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
No she has not.
Hope says:
well i may then be able to help her before this gets out of hand.She is usually at her worst after mentioning this.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
So this has happened before?
Hope says:
Yes.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I see. You didn't answer my question about Lester Kraus...
Hope says:
i havenever heard that name
Hope says:
at all

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
Do you know anyone called Jordan?
Hope says:
Yes he is my brother.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I thought your brother was called Lucas?
Hope says:
You seem very eager to learn about me more than helping my mother be united with us.She must be with us.We can help her.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I am eager to learn about you so I can trust that she will be in safe hands.
Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I'm sorry if you dont understand that, as her daughter, but I dont know you from Adam
Hope says:
i just want my mom safe.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
I understand. As do I.
Hope says:
I must go now Goodbye.

Misery // Chasing broken dreams says:
email me

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Hmm, maybe I'm off track here, but it seems as if the Jordan and Hope people are German.
Jordan, it seems, speaks German, while Hope types in a manner conflicting with those of a natural English speaker. "We are only wanting" and "I am wanting to find" are two things said by Hope that show this. Are they slips?
Does anyone know Martha's nationality?
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According to imdb Martha's kids are called Hope and Lucas. Jordan Fruchtenbaum was the guy who we got the document from (and by the last name, I'm guessing he's got some Germanic roots). Nationality seems to be American, however, with the Lester Kraus/German experimentation link, maybe they all speak German. Also, Hope seems to work in Europe so she would (I assume) know a few other languages.
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Kotori_shyla wrote:
Hmm, maybe I'm off track here, but it seems as if the Jordan and Hope people are German.
Jordan, it seems, speaks German, while Hope types in a manner conflicting with those of a natural English speaker. "We are only wanting" and "I am wanting to find" are two things said by Hope that show this. Are they slips?


That's interesting, actually, because I thought the phrase 'the evolution of warfare' sounded a bit clumsy. It struck me that it might be a single noun in German - a compound that would translate directly as 'war(fare)evolution' (with 'warfare acting as an adjective in this case.) Seems I'm not quite the language expert I thought I was though, as Kriegsentwickelung doesn't seem to exist as a 'real' word in German (although as far as I can remember, it's possible to describe just about anything by lumping adjective and noun together to make a new word) So it's possible that 'Hope' is translating into English from this German construction or something similar, but I couldn't say for certain. On the one hand, the English does sound a bit wooden, but on the other hand, there's none of the telltale capitalisation of nouns that you might expect from somebody translating from German. In other words, maybe, but you'd have to get someone a bit more proficient in language/linguistics to say for certain.

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Wow this is developing a sort of "A Beautiful Mind" feel to it

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