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enaxor
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Dorkmaster wrote:

EDIT (mostly to enaxor): Just to be clear though, in the timeline of things, the biblical Judeo-Christian system was in place long before Aristotle. In fact, we're dealing with Jesus (a "late stage" addition to the Judeo-Christian belief system) near Aristotle's time... so the "Prime Mover" isn't necessarily precluded from being the God of the Jews or Christians...or vice-versa.


Right. I guess I was trying to say that the church has adapted a lot of things into their theology, that were practiced beleifs long before the Christian movement. I just didn't say it very well. Smile
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 		Here's the last email I got. I said we had found Primum Mobile, but it led to a deadend. I asked about other truths we should be seeking.

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Those who need things spelled out for them will only find frustration.
Those who can find their own Direction shall find their way forward.

If a sign is needed, one need only look to the Heavens for guidance.

~ROTH~


I tried different directions this morning, because of the arrows in paradiso message and the use of nswc in the source code at vs.net. Hope someone can figure this out.
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 		Agreed.
My thinking was along the lines of the fallen angel and the bad deeds attributed to him being lies. That there is a truth about his existance, power and deeds that we are unaware of. One question-he speaks of faith from both sides of the fence, it seems.
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You accept that your
Creator has done everything attributed to it's divinity. And yet,
speaking not of faith but of fact, what have you to attribute to your
Creator?


Here, it seems he's telling us that we have no physical proof that our "Creator" has done the things we believe, but our faith holds us to that belief.

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Do not the weak of faith or those without faith cower in their final moments under the uncertainty that their lack of knowledge brings? That all they are might be lost to a universe that shows them no
future save a cold and empty void? Is this uncertainty not the worst
enemy of all creatures endowed with a Soul?


And here is seems as though he is mocking those who have weak or no faith at all.

I think I'm getting tangled in my own thoughts.

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 		Heavens?

As in Planets? Like those orbity things on the website? Or Heavens as in HEAVENS?

Whoosh. He's the riddlemaster.

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Heavens?

As in Planets? Like those orbity things on the website? Or Heavens as in HEAVENS?

Whoosh. He's the riddlemaster.


Was going to say, "heavens" probably means the front page.

EDIT: Woo! Unfictologist!

Yet another EDIT:

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My thinking was along the lines of the fallen angel and the bad deeds attributed to him being lies. That there is a truth about his existance, power and deeds that we are unaware of. One question-he speaks of faith from both sides of the fence, it seems.


Hmm. Does he?

It seems that he's saying he doesn't need faith, he has fact.

I don't know about the "fallen angel" theory, with the bad deeds being lies.

When he spoke of the misattribution, he didn't seem to be saying that his deity (or whatever) had been falsely accused -- just that deeds had been misattributed. He says that the deeds of his deity had given reason for worship from many, however. As far as I'm aware, worship of a fallen angel isn't a widely practiced religion.

Also, whoever this deity is, he's apparently been confused with G-d, rather frequently:

vs_faery wrote:
For some, that distinction has not been so great. They are the ones who would seek to add confusion to His truth, by misattributing feats and deeds done by others to Him.


Which again makes me think of Gnosticism, and its insistence that people were mistaking the demiurge for G-d.

Regardless, at this point, I'm confused. It doesn't seem to match precisely with any religious or philosophical system I know of.

But then again, I'm having a slow day. Confused
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Those who need things spelled out for them will only find frustration.
Those who can find their own Direction shall find their way forward.

If a sign is needed, one need only look to the Heavens for guidance.

~ROTH~


totally jumping in here without reading the preceding context... but if this is being spelled out for you, i would read it as ROT-H or ROT-8, which could be ROT-18 if you look in both directions. (and since i'm not logged in, i cannot go back and delete this post if it is completely foolish, so be kind.)

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Those who need things spelled out for them will only find frustration.
Those who can find their own Direction shall find their way forward.

If a sign is needed, one need only look to the Heavens for guidance.

~ROTH~


totally jumping in here without reading the preceding context... but if this is being spelled out for you, i would read it as ROT-H or ROT-8, which could be ROT-18 if you look in both directions. (and since i'm not logged in, i cannot go back and delete this post if it is completely foolish, so be kind.)


Hmm. That's clever.

But what are we ROT-8ing?
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He says that the deeds of his deity had given reason for worship from many, however. As far as I'm aware, worship of a fallen angel isn't a widely practiced religion.


I would think that Satan/Occult worshipers (and possibly some followers of L. Ron Hubbard and his Thaeton theories) would disagree with you on that point. <wink>

You basically restated what I said which was that we have no physical evidence of the deeds of our "Creator". I'm reading that, possibly too literally, to mean that he does have physical evidence of his deity? that would tie in with the fact that you feel he doesn't need faith. Do you see where I'm going?

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He says that the deeds of his deity had given reason for worship from many, however. As far as I'm aware, worship of a fallen angel isn't a widely practiced religion.


I would think that Satan/Occult worshipers (and possibly some followers of L. Ron Hubbard and his Thaeton theories) would disagree with you on that point. <wink>


There are people in England who put down their religion, in the last census, as "Jedi." That doesn't make it widely-practiced.

Furthermore, I think most occultists might take offense at your equating them with Satanists. Wink

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You basically restated what I said which was that we have no physical evidence of the deeds of our "Creator".


Where did I restate that? I agree, of course Smile , unless you view the existence of the world itself as physical evidence. But I didn't think I actually touched on that regarding Judeo-Christian belief.

I was disagreeing with the fallen angel idea, as I recall.

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I'm reading that, possibly too literally, to mean that he does have physical evidence of his deity? that would tie in with the fact that you feel he doesn't need faith. Do you see where I'm going?


Hmm. That's what I was implying when I said that he seems to feel he doesn't need faith -- he has fact.

But beyond that, I'm not sure I see your direction... Confused
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 		If look at the source code for the web page:
vagabondssojourn.net/
<title>Because in drawing near to its desire, Our intellect ingulphs itself so far</title>

This is quote from Dante Alighier from Paradiso: Canto 1 line 8-9.

So I think we are dealing with angelic beings of some sorr here.
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fubarz wrote:
If look at the source code for the web page:
vagabondssojourn.net/
<title>Because in drawing near to its desire, Our intellect ingulphs itself so far</title>

This is quote from Dante Alighier from Paradiso: Canto 1 line 8-9.


See above. Okay, probably a couple pages back, now.

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So I think we are dealing with angelic beings of some sorr here.


Possibly.

Hmm. Who worships angels?

This is tugging at something in the back of my head.

Oh, wait, never mind, my hair is caught on the chair. <sigh>
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 		At this point, all we have are guesses. No one is more right than anyone else. We'll just have to wait for a better understanding and more information, until then we can all have different opinion without being slammed, no? I thought that was what this forum was all about.

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At this point, all we have are guesses. No one is more right than anyone else. We'll just have to wait for a better understanding and more information, until then we can all have different opinion without being slammed, no? I thought that was what this forum was all about.


I'm sorry -- I didn't mean to slam you. I was just disagreeing.

Where do you feel you have been slammed?
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 		[quote="Phaedra"]
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Hmm. Who worships angels?


Followers of the Urantia book are into angels in a big way.
The book had hundreds of pages dealing with angels of all kinds, Seraphim, Chrubim, Sanobim, Primary Midwayers, Secondary Midwayers, and Personalized Adjusters, etc.

This religion is based in Chicago and the book is in public domain now after a copyright battle and they lost the case because they said the book was a written by people receiving the information by direct revelation from angelic beings and therefore had no human author.
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 		It's not important. I was speaking of your phrasing, actually. I read your comments as being a little on the harsh side, and I'm not the sensitive type. But let's just move on, no harm done and no need to apoligize at all. It's very difficult, as we all know to get emotion across in writing. I'm sure I mis-read the lean of your comments and your intention was to be helpful. Thanks. Smile

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