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INCyr wrote:
The entire time, I kept thinking "Good lord, how did there end up with this much fuss over a B-Movie?"

It wasn't bad. It wasn't great.
It's a space opera, and you just can't expect an 'A' move from a space opera.
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water10 wrote:
Better or worse than Ep I and II?


Oh, definitely better.

But then again, I've seen few movies that I consider worse that I & II. 1 was a complete waste of time, and 2 wasn't much better.
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i was one of the few people who actually enjoyed episode 2 (episode 1 was still 90% crappy, when i watch it, i skip over huge chunks)

but ep 3 just blew me away, not that it was particularly great or anything, but its just so relentless in its onslaught. it just hammers at you with images and emotions, i really enjoyed it

it had some flaws of course, but its definitely better than return of the jedi

how i would rate them:

Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Clone Wars animated series
Return of the Jedi / Attack of the Clones (equal)
The Phantom Menace
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for me, it's all about the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"!!! ...if u haven't seen the movie, you will...it's the ONLY thing that pissed me off, oh, and natalie portman not knowing how to act in a star wars movie (and don't give me that "thats how lucas directed her" crap, there comes a time when u as an actor can actually do research and do the charecter justice on your own.). outside of that it was breathtaking. Dukoo took it rough...so did mace...poor guys...anyways, I LOVE STAR WARS!! YAY!
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I definatly Rank this as my #1 favorite out of the entire Series ranking them all as Follows:

Revenge of the Sith
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
New Hope
Attack of the Clones ( I really liked this movie... but it dragged after too short a time)
Phantom Menace


I can easily complain about J. Earl Jone's Voice acting at the end there... kinda didn't feel right or adequatly match what we have built Vader to be at that time.... Best explained by "Just didn't sound right."

Otherwise the rollercoster of emotions Just rocked. From Laughing to sitting on the edge of my seat to some serious sad feelings, the movie deffinatly caught me by surprise considering what i had previously expected. The nice and sometimes subtle blend of the tech and the situations to flow into IV, and the preformances. Well I can also complain about Sammy J's preformance just before his "Big Death Scene"
AND... Padme very quickly on the spot Naming her kids Luke and Leah(sp) A bit odd.

I think the Folks who unexpectedly stole the screen were:

R2D2 (He kicked some But! Then Got kicked onto His a$$)
Palpatine/Cidious (Much more into his character)


I strongly recomend the movie to everyone and anyone into Sci Fi.
I give it 3 appen.... rather 2 thumbs way up! Rolling Eyes
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Watched it last night. It's certainly better than the first two, but I don't think it gets close to the original trilogy just yet. I would rank them like this:

- New Hope/Empire Strikes Back
- Return of the Jedi
- Revenge of the Sith
- Attack of the Clones
- Phantom Menace

Oh, and acting was still lacking on this movie. Kenobi was a bit better, but Padme and Anakin are just bad ...

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I just think it was just toooooo easy to convert Anakin ... It was almost like Sidious just said: "Hey Anakin, wanna come to the dark side?? Yeah, sure! Sounds like a plan!!" Laughing I really liked the whole conflict on the return of the jedi, with the emperor trying to seduce Luke and everything. With Anakin, the whole thing happened in 5 minutes!! It was just too easy ... Now, I know the movie length was probably a concern, then why did he put some useless stuff on this movie, like the Wookie planet?? It was there only to show Chewbacca! Or why didn't he distribute the events a bit better among the 3 movies?

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water10 wrote:
waters' spoiler


I know. Me and my friends thought the same thing. I was actually sitting there in the theater going... "hrm... am I actually going to let him get away with that? that was rather lame..." But the scenes immediately after that were actually somewhat moving, so I decided to suspend my disbelief and enjoy the rest of the movie.

My thoughts were that the dialog was typical George Lucas bad, and the acting in the pits because of it, but the underlying themes were so good that the movie was still reasonable despite George's influences.

I find the Star Wars movies a tragedy of sorts in their own right... The Star Wars universe is an amazing place that's visually fantastic, and has a great collection of species, worlds and backstories. Not only that, but the overarching character arc of Anakin Skywalker is overall an incredibly fascinating and moving one, and if played right could make for some fantastic movies. It's just not presented well by Lucas. I'd love to see someone who's actually a decent writer go through and do the first three over again... I could see Revenge of the Sith being a complete heart-breaker of a movie if someone like, say, Peter Jackson did it. As done by Georgie-boy, you just get these pangs of "this isn't going well for anybody" throughout the film.

Ah well. Revenge of the Sith was good compared to the rest of the prequels - but man, the prequels could just be so awesome if they were done well...
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After I saw Attack of the Clones, I was on a Star Wars high for about a day. Gotta be honest, this star wars high isn't even going to last that long. I hate to be the spoilsport here, but this movie failed almost every time a real human element was required. Aside from the first half of Ian McDiarmid's portion of the movie, which was flawless, almost every emotional beat was wrong. The audience is confronted with these terribly adult situations where the characters have to make life-and-death decisions, and the characters respond with an almost playground-esque immaturity every time. At the end of the film, I honestly can't understand why Vader gave in to the dark side with such ease.

Oh, and there's a point in one lightsaber duel where the two combatants literally just swing their sabers around, neither attacking nor defending.

As a visual showcase of technology, it was stunning. You can tell that Lucas got back to his roots of using models and makeup, and that aspect of the film is completely captivating. As a lesson in how to apply CGI to large environments, it was very good. However, the CGI humans were very distracting, especially when contrasted with real humans on screen.

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Then, of course, there is the flaw that sits at the very center of the story. This episode was all about how Palpatine could teach Vader the way of saving Padme's life by using the Dark Side of the force. When Vader was laying on that basalt, nearly burnt to death, I expected Palpatine to display this power, but he did not. That is where the film had its moment to shine, to show that Palpatine was everything he said he was, and he didn't do it. Yes, he saved Vader, but it was through tech, not the Force. Highly disappointing.


Yet, despite all of that, the film accomplished it's primary goal: to establish a sense of wonder, a feat that the first two films did not complete. I sat in that theater, and I wanted to swing around a lightsaber at the enemies of the Republic. I wanted to jump through the air in blurry fashion, and I wanted to right the wrongs done by the Darths.

So, in the end, I'm torn about this film. On a level of character interaction and characterization, it's a spectacular failure, and it's a sweeping success in the areas of technical achievement. More important than any of that though is the emotional impact it makes on me, and that impact is there. There's that "Cool" factor that's just present in the film. So, I guess we'll now have to wait for the inevitable Episode 4, 5 and 6 redux. Gleefully.
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Palpatine was the apprentice of Darth Plagueis; he doesn't have the full abilities to ressurect/regenerate yet. He DID however keep Anakin alive from the point he said "Anakin is in danger!" (and left for Mustafar) forward. He used the Dark Side to sustain Anakin until he could get there.

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fugitivesoldier wrote:
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Palpatine was the apprentice of Darth Plagueis; he doesn't have the full abilities to ressurect/regenerate yet. He DID however keep Anakin alive from the point he said "Anakin is in danger!" (and left for Mustafar) forward. He used the Dark Side to sustain Anakin until he could get there.


Ummmm.... on what are you basing this? I saw no evidence for this in the film (however, by that point in time, I was fairly bored, and tired, and could very well have missed it.)

I'd still be interested in knowing what evidence you have for this.
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INCyr wrote:
Ummmm.... on what are you basing this? I saw no evidence for this in the film
I'm with IncYr: Darth Sidious didn't keep Vader alive.
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Darth Sidious makes it clear to Vader earlier that he never learned the trick to keeping someone from dying, but "I feel sure we can figure it out."

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rufo wrote:
water10 wrote:
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I know. Me and my friends thought the same thing.
Just saw Episode 2 on TV last night, and it reminded me that (a) the Sith lord had been working on Anakin for quite awhile before Episode 3, and (b) Anakin was rotten from the start. For an aspiring Jedi, Anakin has always been full of the best qualities in a Sith: self-interest, fear, arrogance, and hunger for power.
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Just saw Episode 2 on TV last night, and it reminded me that (a) the Sith lord had been working on Anakin for quite awhile before Episode 3, and (b) Anakin was rotten from the start. For an aspiring Jedi, Anakin has always been full of the best qualities in a Sith: self-interest, fear, arrogance, and hunger for power.

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True. But I think that the moment he finally turns to the dark side is kinda weak. Lucas made sure Vader had a "good" reason to turn, but as soon as he turns to the dark side, the first thing he does is slaughter a bunch of kids! It was too big of a transformation in like 2 minutes ...


Watched it again yesterday, now with Mrs Waters. I think I enjoyed a bit more this time. But the movie still seemed a bit compressed. It seemed they had to cut a lot of stuff!
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And you never get the impression when time is passing by on this movie. First you see Padme pregnant and then you see her with a huge belly and having 8lb twins!!

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I agree with Waters that the time lapse is not conveyed well to the audience and that the final transformation to the Dark Side is hasty and abrupt. Also, before Vader's battle with Obi-Wan, he mentions that he is more powerful than the Emperor and that he will destroy the Emperor and rule the Empire. The only apparent reason for his loyalty to the Emperor is his belief that Palpatine can help him save Padme. Once Padme is dead, what is the need for the Emperor? Are we to believe that Vader, who was so willing and eager to kill the Emperor so he could have his empire, would subjugate himself for the next 30 years when his reason for loyalty is already gone?


I did enjoy the movie overall. I would rank it somewhere around Return of the Jedi because both movies are about 60% good and 40% WTF.
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My opinion

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My favorite part was the battle in the beginning. The image of the two cruisers just obliterating each other is one of the best moments in a space battle scene. (And since I have a 14 year old son, I have seen many more battle scenes than I ever intended to.) I also like the Wookie world and technology.

What bothered me the most is when Darth Vader tried to kill Padme - I mean his whole motivation for going to the Sith was to save her. What happened to the great love that he had for her? Just because Obi-Wan shows up he now wants her to die? Or was he supposed to have been made insane from all the senseless murder of innocents he had been doing?
The whole tragedy, which is on the Greek level of tragedy, that his actions in trying to save her life inevitably end up causing her death, was just lost.

Also - Obi-wan turns out to be a weaker character than I thought. He is neither a good leader or nor a teacher. I will never feel the same about him after seeing him walk away leaving Darth suffering in agonizing pain. That was cruel and heartless and not what I would have thought a Jedi master would chose to do.

The actors in this movie are, for the most part, a talented group. What happened? There was not one moment of good acting in the whole film.

I wouldn't see this movie again.

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