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 		I caught the midnight showing and had to sit in the front row (even thought I was an hour early). That said, I couldn't see anything but blurry lights every time there was a lightsaber fight, and the opening space battle started to make me motion sick (even though it did remind me of Halo 2).

That said, I had to discount the fights since I couldn't really see any of them. But I enjoyed this movie alot. It's not like the first 2 where the battles were the primary draw, this one actually contained some drama. The only really horrible scenes are the ones where it's Anakin and Padme. Don't get me wrong, the script could use alot of improvement, but the story was very good. I think it was even better with the cartoons flowing directly into the movie. The Wacowski bros could have learned a thing or two...

Back on topic, I think this film is up there with the original trilogy in the since of storytelling. But looking at the original trillogy, it was not really that great in the dialog department either. The only fault I really didn't like is how alot of stuff was either explained away or you had to really pay attention to understand. An example of that is Anakin's turn to the darkside. The pregancy thing was just the tipping point, but everything was all about him ever since Ep 2 and he even states that the dark side is all about self. Simple.

All of that said, I would have to say my "Favorites" list match CoffeeJedi's exactlly
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I agree, George Lucas can't write a love scene for his life, I do belive someone said that a hallmark card has more passion then him? Anyways, the first trilogy is an amazing space tragedy (yes, tragedy) Anikan tries as hard as he can to be good the whole way, but the fact is, he is much too emotional, the reason he falls in love with Padme is also the reason for his downfall, he is not inherantly evil, he just contains too much passion for his weak self control to contain.
The movie on a whole is just amazingly done, considering it was George Lucas writing it. He should have collaborated with another top notch romance directer to really get out the emotion these characters are feeling. I believe that Padme's role was acted out rather well, but Hayden did not have the dailogue to really get across the focus of his character.
Anakin at the end was driven completly insane by rage and feelings of betrayal, you have to remember, this whole time, he completely and totally believed that the Jedi console had gone mad with power, the exact thing Palpitine had actually done.
Windu did the wrong thing by trying to assisinate Palpatine. It was the final straw that convinced Anikan to turn to believe in the chancellors lies. I do not like the fact that Palpatine finished him off, it ruined his portrale(sp?) of the weak nearly dead man, and should have snapped Anikan out of his stupor, that whole scene should be redone with a different type of death for Mace.
Anakin was a good man, who was driven insane by the fact that his best friend and Master Obi-Wan had betrayed him, the only group of people he had ever fit in with betrayed him (Jedi Counsel), and even at the end, his wife, had betrayed him. Palpatine had been working on Anakin for a long time, and while we knew who he truely was Anakin connsidered him an amazing friend and was heartbroken that he was forced to turn him in, and even more so that Mace, another of his friends decided to kill him without a fair trial. From Anakins point of view everything that the Chancellor had said was becoming true.
Even at the end, Anakin did not turn evil for more power for himself, he turned to the darkside because he was soo maddeningly in love with Padme and desired greatly to save her from death in childbirth. I am of the belief that the vision came not from with in himself, but from Sidious to mold Anakin into his plan.
The romance scenes were horribly unreal though, Anakins feelings at missing his secret wife for nearly half a year, were so underplayed it killed me. That is where the time dialation comes in for whoever was asking how she became pregnent and had the twins so quickly, they had been gone from each other with Anakin on the outer rim for such a long time, she was already pregnant before he left. I think they said he was gone for 6 or 7 months, meaning that the movie actually only takes place for 2 months or so of the pregnency not the entire gestation.
The movie as a whole definetly could be bettered but I believe it was definetly much better then the last two movies. Ep 1 was too much of a let down only because of the massive fan boy expectations(myself included) and from Naboo swamp being very unreal. Though, after rewatching it, I did enjoy it more then most. Then Ep 2 had it problems because it was almost completely about the set up and falling in love of Anakin and Padme, and well, as I said, George Lucas can't write a love scene for his life. Signing off, Ep 3 was awesome, but not the best of the 6, just the best of these three.
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he is not inherantly evil

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Yes, I agree with you. That's why I think killing the children seems out of place here. One can make a point and say that as soon as you go to the dark side, you become evil and is capable of such acts, but I still think it was too abrupt.


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That is where the time dialation comes in for whoever was asking how she became pregnent and had the twins so quickly, they had been gone from each other with Anakin on the outer rim for such a long time, she was already pregnant before he left. I think they said he was gone for 6 or 7 months, meaning that the movie actually only takes place for 2 months or so of the pregnency not the entire gestation.

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Well, she was not 6 or 7 months pregnant when she tells Anakin. At least she doesn't have a 6-7 month belly ... And I don't recall them saying about this period of absence. Is this on this movie or the cartoons?

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 		Wait...I'm a big star wars fan, but what the hell cartoons?
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Yes, the killing, was definetly wrong, it was just soo, not Anakin, that was one of the things that should have been changed out. The time thing is actually mentioned in that first where they come together he says "It feels like we've been apart for forever" or something to that effect, and then in the next scene when they are having a husband and wife type chat Anakin says something about being kept on the outer rim by the Jedi counsel for half a year.
And actually she does have belly there, problem is you can't tell thatnks to the clothes she's wearing and the fact that she has her arms covering it up. I mean, 6-7 months is when the baby starts growing much faster, so I can see that maybe, just maybe, she could have gotten that much larger that soon but the thing is, the twins must have been alot smaller then 8 lbs or whatever for her to not have noticed she had twins and for her stomach to have been that small. I think they were premies Very Happy fits my theory nicely and makes everything fall into place!
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Sadly, for all the technology and advances in the Star Wars galaxy, the ability to determine if one is having twins has eluded them. Interesting that if Padme knew she was having twins she decided not to tell anyone.
Also, while I agree most of the love scene dialogue was ridiculous, the scene with Annakin in the Jedi Council room waiting while Mace goes to arrest the Chancellor and Padme in her apartment was very emotional. Ironically, the scene with the characters furthest apart is the one that portrayed their strong bond the best.


I find it sad that the Han Solo/Leia element which made the original trilogy so endearing was missing from this trilogy. I think George may have taken himself a little too seriously at times. A little banter between Anakin and Padme would have added to the chemistry of the characters.
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Tiny wrote:
Wait...I'm a big star wars fan, but what the hell cartoons?


The Clone Wars animated series on Cartoon Network. Episodes 1-19 were a bunch of short stories with a long arc about Anakin confronting a dark side assasin sent by Palpatine. Episodes 20-25 were about fighting General Grievous (and him "kidnapping" Palpatine) and Anakin going on a vision quest. The last shot of episode 25 blends directly into the opening shot of the movie.

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Yes, I agree with you. That's why I think killing the children seems out of place here. One can make a point and say that as soon as you go to the dark side, you become evil and is capable of such acts, but I still think it was too abrupt.


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According to starwars.com, Anakin had been away for 5 months. Conceivably, Padme would have been 5-6 months pregnant upon his return. Also, while I agree it was abrupt, the killing of the "younglings" was preceded by the killing of young Tuskan raiders in EP II. While the circumstances were wildly different (revenge for mother vs killing innocent children because they are Jedi), I believe this was Lucas' attempt to foreshadow the rage within.

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 		Next time I see the movie I'll have to watch more closely for signs of pregnancy at the start. I fall in the camp that thinks her pregnancy developed way too quickly for the amount of time the movie felt like.

I posted more in depth about the film here:
http://www.livejournal.com/~thunderclap8/61225.html

And yes, the clone wars cartoons were amazing. We finally got to see Mace use the force to its fullest, not just the 'toss a few objects around' way it gets used most of the time in the movies.

The first big chunk of them are on DVD now and worth checking out.
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Next time I see the movie I'll have to watch more closely for signs of pregnancy at the start. I fall in the camp that thinks her pregnancy developed way too quickly for the amount of time the movie felt like.

After watching twice, I clearly didn't see any sign of pregnancy on the beggining. To me, it seemed like the lord of the rings Years go by on the books, but on the movies it seems like the whole story happens in weeks/months!

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The first big chunk of them are on DVD now and worth checking out.

They are??? I've been waiting for the cartoons for quite some time! I keep hearing good things about it and wanted to check it out!
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 		Oh yes! here's the Amazon link to the DVD: http://tinyurl.com/c9flv

It's got episode 1-20, which are about 3-5 minutes each if I remember correctly. Episodes 21-25 are more like 15 minutes each and lead directly into the start of the movie.

Oh, and 21-25 are still up on the cartoon network website, in lower quality:
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/promos/200503_starwars/index.html
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