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[UPDATE] New website: PERPLEXCITYSENTINEL.COM (21st March)
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Salkunh
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what i find semi-odd is that in the complete "argh cube stolen" newspaper article doesnt contain a photo of the cube. I mean i know everyone in Perplex City probably knows what the cube looks like so wouldn't need to see a photo of it but everyone knows what the queen or prince charles looks like in the UK but when theres an article about them they still get a photo/pictue...seems kinda unusual
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fimacmo
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Salkunh wrote:
what i find semi-odd is that in the complete "argh cube stolen" newspaper article doesnt contain a photo of the cube. I mean i know everyone in Perplex City probably knows what the cube looks like so wouldn't need to see a photo of it but everyone knows what the queen or prince charles looks like in the UK but when theres an article about them they still get a photo/pictue...seems kinda unusual


Yes and an artists impression of Sente - they could have used an actor; maybe they don't have photographs.

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Slithy
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I just noticed that the "Perplex City Sentinal" banner and many of the section header images are located in the www.perplexcitysentinel.com/furniture/ directory. (not accessible btw)

For example the "Perplex City Sentinal" banner is located at:
http://www.perplexcitysentinel.com/furniture/sitewide/banners/frontpage.png

I know we've had some discussion regarding what "furniture" could possibly mean. Most likely, the /furniture/ directory is just a directory where the publisher of the Sentinal keeps certain recurring content. In other words, it most likely means nothing. Rolling Eyes
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spring equinox today -- any significance??

sun is over equater
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Mima
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Kelsey, no offense taken. I just thought having waited this long, the PM's have had loads of time to get everything ready. They have given us the page, but we can't get in.

That to me just meant that we had to find a way to get subscribed. Otherwise we are at another dead end (for the moment). Surely if the game has started, there has to be a way forward, we just have to find it (its that lateral thing), and subscription seems like the next step.

Is there anyway to know if the site is or isn't checking for cookies? If it isn't checking, this wouldn't work, but if it is checking, is there anything stopping us from trying to guess the correct format of the rtf cookie file, saving it to the cookie folder, and having a go?

Mima (in great need of Kelsey's greater knowledge!)

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firefox
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Slithy wrote:

For example the "Perplex City Sentinal" banner is located at:
http://www.perplexcitysentinel.com/furniture/sitewide/banners/frontpage.png


try picturing the internet for the perplex city resident as a room, or many rooms, in a house on a street, in a city, all virtual.

to access a house- a room- or anywhere they need a key, perhaps there is a universal key, perhaps there are different levels- for security reasons etc.
therefore furniture hints at the extra stuff the person sees and can interact with.... background filler for their virtual world (ala metaverse) they see an article virtually like we would see a newspaper, they can pick it up, pocket it, etc. we see the source code behind this virtual world. granted theyve kept it simple.

just a thought, that ive had for a while now. Smile

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brat-sampson
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A 'key' seems like some kind of Minority-report style device allowing electronics to ID people and also allowing people to interact with the electronics. Clearly they have some kind of internet-like setup (sites with different 'pages') which Sente or one of his group have done their best to translate into something we can view here.

Contacting them seems impossible at the moment as they do not use standard email like us. I'm going to guess that all attempts at guessing emails will be fruitless. At least until they become aware that we're reading their paper at which point they might make things a bit more accesable to us.

Final conclusion, IMO it's time to play the waiting game a little more and continue speccing until they modify their paper to work better with our technology.
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Muffin
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People have been questioning the size of PC we haven't had any mention of other places.

However, the PC Sentinel paper has this to say in the advertising section...

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The Perplex City Sentinel is seen by over 5 million sets of eyes every single day. There is no better way to get your message across to an educated, high-income audience than to run in the Sentinel.


How does this compare to UK papers?

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Anyone else find it odd that is says "sets" of eyes, not "pairs"?
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brat-sampson
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How does this compare to UK papers?


From abc.org.uk Highest selling Broadsheet is the Telegraph with a circulation of 869,597.

Highest selling paper is the News of the World with 3,443,765.

Seems like perplexcity is pretty darn big if one of it's papers is outselling (in one city) the highest selling paper in the UK by quite a long way!
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wintermute_au
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i don't know readership amounts, but 5mil doesn't seem that huge for a developed city state...? also possible that ppl outside perplex also read

[edit: just saw the post above... note it says "seen" not "bought"... some aussie media outlets use the same trick cos they include all their web hits in their readership...]

my take on their web technology: (assuming they have _similar_ tech to our own)

i. all those pages that end in ".html" aren't necessarily static, they're probably using a mod_rewrite - pretty standard practice on any dynamic sites these days. it just takes the folder and file 'names', passes them to a script, and generates what looks like a static page... It could be doing all sorts of processing in there (whether its looking for keys or what)

ii. I suspect the 'EXTERNAL EDITION' is the version the paper's site automatically shows if you access it from outside of perplex city (an australian paper could, for example, detect the ip, guess if the user is in australia or elsewhere, and present a different page depending...). and wouldn't be surprised if the ext.edition automatically gives the date in AD format as opposed to AC (note the start of the new article as it appears in the guardian gives an AC and AD date)

and i suspect we will soon be given a way around the key issue -- unless someone finds instructions encoded in something soon! Wink

-peter

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3) subscription, seems like it's not ready yet. let's take a look at how we can authenticate on websites:

* web-based logins: that'd need a form, but we don't have. that page [the subscription error] is STATIC. no php, only plain HTML.
* cookies: that works fine, but we'd still need a page to carve a cookie for us. and we haven't found it yet.
* htauth - see header 401 - well, that'd pop up swhere.


Kelsey, I'd like to clear up something about your first bullet point.

Web pages never contain PHP. PHP is server-side and is something that gets parsed and removed by the web server before sending the resulting HTML to the browser. You will never find conclusive evidence of PHP on a web page. ( You also can't tell from the suffix either since web servers can be configured to parse any file for PHP not just ones that have .php or similar extensions. )

I know its nitpicking but in case there are newbies to html that will suddenly start looking for PHP on pages - they ain't gonna find it unless the web server admin made a mistake and the page didn't get parsed.

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London

If you look in the Sentinel Masthead section you will see that the sports editor is Antony Clapham, I wonder if this a clue to point us in the direction of the skyline picture, I still think there is somewhere in London we need to visit for some reason.
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Scisco
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Hrmmm...

Just a few things I noticed. Watch for falling SPEC.

The paper seems really biased. I've gathered from the "ads" that PPC is an intellectual sort of place. Most intellectuals try not to be biased.

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with even orthodox Cubists

Hehe. But besides the obvious thing, it makes it sound like they worship this "Receda Cube." It also says something about wasting cultural heritage. And receda sounds like "recede" or go back. Therefore, I believe that either this cube can allow you to go back in time, and has helped the Perplexians in their intellectualism, or it has something to do with a split between Earth and PPC.

Sheesh, that was more than I think I've ever posted.
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I was just wondering if anyone is expecting any more emails in response to the address you put in at perplexcity.com. I put mine in about a month ago and recieved nothing, so im still expecting something. It may be the key to the newspaper. If theyve got out addresses, they can send us individual keys

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