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MrDoug
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Police Report from accident

Received an e-mail from Sam on the press conference text is below. Attached is a copy the Accident report.

Hi,
Sam Greene, the webmaster for the Aglaura NJ website here. You sent us an e-
mail asking to be invited to participate in the Press Conference Mayor Dobbs is
holding on Thursday, April 3rd at 8:00PM EST. Please note that the Press
Conference was originally announced for Wednesday, April 2nd but has been
changed to accodomate various participants' schedules. You are welcome to
participate.
Here's what you need to know:
1) The Press Conference will be held in an IRC Chat format and may be accessed
either via standard IRC chat applications or through a java-based ChatSpace
applet, which may be found at several different sites across the web. The
channel name of the chat Press Conference will be announced on the Aglaura
website approximately one hour before the Press Conference is scheduled to
start, so it should be posted no later than 7:00PM Thursday evening.
2) The focus of the Press Conference will be the ongoing Graffiti Investigation
by the Aglaura Police Department. Mayor Dobbs will present a brief report of
the status of the Investigation before answering questions from the ChatRoom
participants.
3) The Press Conference will be moderated and you will be required to submit
your questions to a channel moderator one at a time. At the appropriate time,
you will then be given the floor to ask your question and receive your
response. The Mayor will accept as many questions as time allows and every
effort will be made to allow everyone equal opportunity to ask questions.
4) Participants not following the requested format and staying on the subject
of the Press Conference will be removed from the channel.
5) A map with the graffiti locations marked on it will be posted on the Aglaura
NJ website no later then tomorrow, Wednesday April 2nd for reference by the
Press Conference participants.
6) The Mayor will also briefly provide an update concerning Aglaura Borough
Councilman Dale Sprague in regards to his accident and his return to full
participation on the Aglaura Borough Council. As promised, the Mayor has
provided a copy of the official NJ State Police Accident Report in PDF format
attached to this message in hopes of answering any final questions and/or
concerns anyone may have. Please note that there are two pages of the four page
Report included in the attached zip file. At the recommendation of the Borough
attorney, certain areas have been "blacked out" to protect the privacy of the
parties involved. The remaining two pages were deemed not relevant nor proper
for public release by the Aglaura Borough Council, as they contained both
private insurance information and photographs of the accident scene. Questions
about the Police Report, however, will not be entertained in the forum of the
Graffiti Press Conference unless time permits at the end of the event.

This same information will be made available on the Aglaura NJ website within
the next 24 hours. If you have any questions please e-mail me at
webmasterSPLATaglauranj.org.

Thank you.
Sam Greene, webmaster
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 1:30 pm
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Barbarellany
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Why would they be referring the case for possible prosecution if they have already deemed the truck driver at fault, dead and unknown? Standard proceedure?

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Tien_Le
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RE: police report

Having the last follow-up comment blacked out is tantalizing.

From chat:
Mr. Doug specced that the two witnesses were the brothers Marzano.

I brought up that the driver's licenses for the witnesses are listed as being from NJ and PA.

It was noted that the second witness has no birthdate given, so we wondered how that could be if the trooper saw his license.

Dmax noticed that both reporting officers have Italian surnames.

<MrDoug> I have a hard time with NO vin info on the truck it's in more than one place.
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Tien_Le
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INFO: police report

Mr. Doug did some research and discovered there is no Izuzu stake bed. And no F-series ever made.

also from chat:

Vin is located on the engine block, inside the door, on the frame, and a few other places ( every vehicle also has one extra VIN in a location known only to the manufacturer).
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asmyth
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Just deleted my post since it's the same email. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 3:01 pm
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dmax
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witness data

We know the birthday of one of the witnesses (but age unknown?) and the state of licensure.

I'm thinking it was left there for a reason. Question
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 3:03 pm
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LazarusLong
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As a former paramedic who's been on the scene of more than a few accidents, I think this stinks to high heaven.

In the case of a collision on the driver-side front quarter, one of two things will occur:

1: The driver's door will pop open, ejecting the driver if unbelted.
2: The driver's door will be jammed, requiring pry bar or jaws to open.

In this case, if Dale was ejected at the time of impact, he would have been thrown in a NNE direction, possibly impacting the side of the other vehicle. The fact that he was discovered 50 feet ESE of the impact point defies the laws of physics.

So we have to assume that Dale was not ejected from the vehicle, but got out after the accident, and somehow made his way to the opposite side of the road (approximately 30 feet from the final position of vehicle 2, by the scale shown), where he collapsed. As there is no evidence (either from Dale or the witnesses) as to what happened immediately after the collision, this seems to be the only likely scenario.

There is no accident investigation data presented. Normally, there would be skid mark data, estimated speed of travel for both vehicles, etc. Since Dale was heading into a T intersection, he would have been slowing to make a turn (either left or right). Yet both vehicles are shown equidistant from the point of impact at the 1.5 second mark, indicating that they were moving at the same speed. This doesn't make sense.

Contrary to the movies, vehicles do not burst into flames on impact, especially in the case of a front end collision. A fire may develop after the collision due to leaking fuel, but it is unlikely the both vehicles would be engulfed in flames, as the final position of the vehicles shows them not to be in contact.

Why was the last investigation comment redacted from the report, and where are the last two pages (note that we have been given pages 1 of 4 and 2 of 4). These are questions to raise at the press conference.

By the way, there is an Isuzu F-Series stake bed. Check the Isuzu Commercial Vehicle site at http://www.isuzucv.com/index.html
A photo of a stake bed version is located at http://www.isuzucv.com/businessuses/landscaping.html

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asmyth
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And here I was assuming the accident had occured naturally. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 3:59 pm
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MrDoug
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LazarusLong wrote:
As a former paramedic who's been on the scene of more than a few accidents, I think this stinks to high heaven.

In the case of a By the way, there is an Isuzu F-Series stake bed. Check the Isuzu Commercial Vehicle site at http://www.isuzucv.com/index.html
A photo of a stake bed version is located at http://www.isuzucv.com/businessuses/landscaping.html


Thx! I was looking at cars and Pickup Trucks.

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dmax
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Weird thought

Just thinking outside the box:

Dale driving the Isuzu instead? (Yes, I know that there was a body in the truck, etc)
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lanzz
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Re: Police Report from accident

MrDoug wrote:
Received an e-mail from Sam on the press conference text is below. Attached is a copy the Accident report.


the attachment gives a 404 error. can you attach it again?

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mopi
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copy of police report on archive

i have put a copy of the police report on my archive site at http://mopi.org/ctw/NJSP_Report.pdf if you need it.

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RPGgame
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Re: copy of police report on archive

mopi wrote:
i have put a copy of the police report on my archive site at http://mopi.org/ctw/NJSP_Report.pdf if you need it.


Mopi you're the best

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idaswears
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Map from Police Report

I checked the Pemberton Township (real site) map, http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?&csz=Pemberton,NJ,08068 and [url] and found a discrepancy which may or may not be important.

The map on the police report shots Buddtown Road making a T crossing with Magnolia. In point of fact, it is the opposite, Magnolia makes a T crossing with Buddtown Road, Hwy. 642. I don't know if this is an error or is of interest. Just thought I'd post it for information.[/url]

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