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[fugitivesoldier]

[Halo 2] Spectator/Dummying IS a violation of TOS

[ubersaurus]

Is dummying/spectating where the Elite's body is in the warthog, but the guy playing him is running around invisible?

[fugitivesoldier]

Yes. Yes it is.

[Nola]

How do you do this? PM me if posting about such things is frowned upon.

[fugitivesoldier]

It's hard to explain in writing. It is ok in Custom games, and it is good to know how to defend against it.

I'm at school right now, but later perhaps we can show you.

[thebruce]

I haven't tried it yet, but basically as you exit a hog, you hold the X to exit and keep punching... keep trying it until someone watching you tells you you're still in the hog, but you know you're on the ground. It means you're invisible to them, but your body is still in the hog, and it's invincible - even if the hog blows up; but you can still attack people and play the game... quite unfair...

although, what happens when the hog respawns once it explodes? or like friendly fire, can the hog not actually be destroyed because a passenger is invinicible?

[fugitivesoldier]

When the Hog dissappears, the dummy is forced out and his new body is then standing where it exited.

[Nola]

This is where I've been hearing different versions... some describe what you describe (The Bruce), where you actually make a Clone of yourself sitting in the Hog and can move around invisible and invincible. You can shoot, pick up guns, CTF, etc. In another version, the Clone is left standing somewhere, and the invisible Elite is left sitting in the Hog, but if the player moves, he returns to where his body is (like an out of body experience!), so then he has to be driven close to the enemy base and thrown the flag. Once he has it (inside the Hog), he moves and is instantly reunited with said stand in, flag and all, making for a quick score. Sounds to me like 2 different outcomes of the same glitch.

And if that wasn't enough, yesterday I saw video of a "sniper flag capture cheat", whereby this guy (Samoan Stunta) took the sniper riffle in Ivory Tower, went to stand over his own (blue) flag, and then stood still for about 30 seconds, and then scored 8 points for blue in about 3 seconds without so much as moving. Fortunately, he doesn't explain how to actually do it.

Here's the link to that thread

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=320088

The first link to the vid is dead. Towards the end they do have some valid links where you can torrent and sometimes direct download.

IMO, Bungie has a big problem on their hands, and that's probably why we haven't seen any DLC... they're crunching for a way to fix this without a massive recall.

[fugitivesoldier]

The "sniper rifle" video is of someone using the Client version of the Standby Cheat. He just made it look like it was the Rifle's fault.

As far as Dummying goes, if you DO shoot, the bullet comes out of the gun held by your OLD body. Not the new, invisible one.

Moving the left thumbstick (your feet) AT ALL reverts you.

So you can pick stuff up, as long as you don't need to walk to it (Thus the Coagulation grav lifts pose a problem).

[thebruce]

fugitive, you're just referring to the latter of the dummying ones right? not the one where the clone in still in the hog and you're on the ground... cuz the videos show you can move everywhere...

[thunderclap8]

the one thing we've got in our favor so far is that I have yet to see a comprehensible explination of how to do this trick. Personally I couldn't do it if I wanted to, I just don't understand it... how can the clone in the warthog pick up the flag if the player isn't controlling it? How can 8 points be scored in 3 seconds? etc.

[fugitivesoldier]

The only Dummying I know of (using a Hog; Wraith is possible too) is where an Elite appears as "bouncing" in the passenger seat on HIS screen, but appears as being on the ground on EVERYONE ELSE's screen.

His OLD body is the one EVERYONE ELSE sees. If moved/touched/shot by anyone, a revert is triggered. Proximity voice is acc. to placement of this OLD body.

The NEW body is the one the Cheater sees through. It is INVISIBLE to everyone else, INVINCIBLE, and immune to Proximity Voice, Motion Tracker, GAME VIEWER (Causes obvious "Impossible Melee" records and "Impossible Flag Cap routes" on Game Viewer, because it thinks the OLD body is doing it.), etc. If the Cheater moves the feet of the NEW body, a revert is triggered. Others may, intentionally or not, move the NEW body w/o a revert happening. The NEW body can look around, pick up anything nearby and melee anyone nearby. If he shoots, the projectile will come out of the gun held by the OLD body.

The cheating comes when the NEW body picks up the flag, moves his feet, and reverts WITH THE FLAG to the OLD body.

[Nola]

Hmmm. Then there must be the other kind of dummying, because this one, while slick, is tactically limited because you need to drive the body to the objective, and then you'll only be able to score once, right?

[thunderclap8]

thanks for the explanation, fugitive. My only question is how it's useful though. Since the new body can't move without reverting, how can it get anywhere near a flag? or melee people unless they happen to run by very close?

[fugitivesoldier]

On Coagulation, the NEW body exits the Hog ONLY when he is parked under the Grav Lift, which takes him straight to the flag.

On Waterworks and other maps, some sacrificial lamb has to throw the flag to the waiting NEW body.

And he has to wait til people get close (easy in the middle of the Coag base) to melee them.