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[Darkstar]

[PUZZLE]Contact with Raziel!

[Phaedra]

Re: [PUZZLE]Contact with Raziel!

[jshall]

Well, looks some serious stuff is happening judging but the last message.

He seemed really grave.

[Darkstar]

Well, I told Azrael.

[Darkstar]

[TobyNTucker]

[disclaimer] I say we with the understanding that I have never personally contacted anyone (damn web filters), and, no, I don't think that I could do better even if I did have the ability to contact anyone outside the forums.

That said, this isnt meant to sharpshoot anyone, only to point out something I noticed which may (or may not) mean something.[/disclaimer]

Does anyone else think that telling Azrael about Raziel is a bad idea? At first Raziel was using Azrael.in.heaven@.. to send us cyrptic messages, The first time it was Azrael who we told about the email, and all of a sudden Raziel could no longer use the email because we had leaked the information. RE: This

now we got him here in the #purgatory, and now we've told Azrael. I hope that he is still there, but I fear he may not be. I think that we should spend some time developing the situation with Raziel. I know we want to help Azrael because we don't think he did it, but some paitence might be in order here.

Again not trying to sharpshoot, please no one take it that way.

[zeldafan8626]

Yeh, to be honest I'm not sure telling him was the best action either

[TobyNTucker]

OK, I'm not totally sure, but I think this is possibly the key to the unsolvable portions:

playing around with this converter website
I set it to MD5 Crypt (one way) and entered (among other things):

"Azrael is the one who killed me you must help me find him"
which converts to:
e21eb69d7d2d00d8dc45f9149ffcc6b7
looks strangely similar to the codes Raziel gave (32 characters, a's b's e's f's with numbers mixed in)

Setting it to DES Crypt (one way) and entering the same thing I got:
CRdU1wYPa5GAQ
which looks similar to the other code (13 characters...)

so I did some looking around and discovered:

MD5 is a secure encyption used in websites (?) the problem is it is a hash function(?) so you can't decrypt it. However I did find this website which has a downloadable program with the following description:

CTNHashProc is a Microsoft SQLServer 2000 Extended Stored Procedure that returns the hash of a given string. Currently the supported hash functions are SHA (SHA1), SHA2 (SHA-256, SHA-384, SHA-512), MD5, RIPEMD-160, Tiger.

I am not in a place where I can download programs (web filters got me again) unfortunately, but I will be eventually. I offer this up in case someone:

a. knows more information about MD5 or
b. wants to try this out before I have the chance in order to stop the nightmares...

As for the DES, I found this page which makes me believe that it is a java thing... anyone know java? I don't know enough to figure out how to decode this, but I'm learning.

Thoughts?

[Darkstar]

[TobyNTucker]

Alright, well.
I found this on the forums for PPC. It appears that the way these strings have been broken in the past is by an off-line brute force method (acceptable since it is off-line and not sucking up bandwidth, and because MD5 is one-way)

I am still going to (eventually) try the program I listed above. But if that turns up nothing the key then is to find the "John The Ripper" thing that AnthraX101 talks about.

Gonna be a long night I think.

Also, as far as trusting Azrael, or anyone for that matter, is concerned I just think that we should develop the Raziel side independant from any other side for now.

If, for example, Azrael believes that he has hidden the evidence that he is involved (or covered his tracks) well enough that he would be eventually exonerated he may get nervous about Raziel still being able to contact us.

Or, as accused people sometimes get nervous and spout out any type of defence he may blab in order to save himself (think reasonable doubt.)

Plus, as I referenced in my last post, Raziel was forced to move from the Azrael.in.heaven@... address because the information had been "leaked" and it was Azrael we told about that one...

[AnthraX101]

JTR is decent for doing dictionary style attacks, I recomend "mdcrack" (And not the slow windows version) for true brute force of md5 passwords.

md5 is a one way hash function that is, at the present time, impossible to reverse. The function will output 16-bytes of binary, generaly represented as 32 characters of hex. Both of these two strings fit this model. This does not guarantee that these are md5, however.

b49b1b81f5aa6dcb46a8cf281e313eb0 - I have used a character set [a-zA-Z0-9] and tried every combination up to 7 characters long.
a2fdb98358e0744a91d22f9f7fc2c031 - I have used a character set [a-zA-Z0-9] and tried every combination up to 5 characters long. (Will extend this today)

AnthraX101

[OptimusPrime]

I agree that telling Azrael is dubious right now. The thing that throws me off is the "Do not tell him" line. We don't know exactly who that is in reference to, so perhaps we don't tell anyone **else**. At least until we know what those last two lines say.

[jshall]

Word gets around with the angels.

Malik knows.

[Darkstar]

[TobyNTucker]

Darkstar, it isnt about sides at this point. It is about making Raziel feel he can trust US.