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mstephans
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 		Rules made to be Broken?
** Split from original thread because of its metaness. Enjoy! -- jamesi

Wait, I'm pretty new, but I think I know how to do this! Ahem...

Read the rules! This is an OOG forum. You can be banned, and it makes your ARG lame. And people start talking about genitailia, and then other people say "Give it a chance, it might not be lame!" But they are wrong, it really is.

Did I get it right?

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mstephans wrote:
Did I get it right?

Rock On
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:08 pm
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zeldafan8626
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Jack Spicer wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
False alarm.

As with every cryptic email I receive, all roads lead to Neurocam

Sigh....


Oh Silent Watcher, how I do regret your presumption.

You have been quiet lately, are you choosing to relinquish me from your thoughts?

Well done for solving my Vignere Russell_k.

They are here for us all.

They will not stop.

For hell has only just begun.


mstephans wrote:
Wait, I'm pretty new, but I think I know how to do this! Ahem...

Read the rules! This is an OOG forum. You can be banned, and it makes your ARG lame. And people start talking about genitailia, and then other people say "Give it a chance, it might not be lame!" But they are wrong, it really is.

Did I get it right?


Haha, pwnd by a newbie XD, and welcome btw <3
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mstephans wrote:
Wait, I'm pretty new, but I think I know how to do this! Ahem...

Read the rules! This is an OOG forum. You can be banned, and it makes your ARG lame. And people start talking about genitailia, and then other people say "Give it a chance, it might not be lame!" But they are wrong, it really is.

Did I get it right?


Heee! Very Happy

Yes you did! And welcome.

/me hands Baton o' Smackiness to mstephans with a curtsey.
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sub-xero
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 		And you are from the magical land of rules and regulations all of a sudden?

Look, I know how things work round here. I'm no stranger, but people need to try new things.

Look, did it ever occur to you that rules are sometimes made to be <ahem> broken?

Look, you cant be 'banned' for getting in on the forum and being a PM at the same time, you are only banned for being 'lame' and posting your ARG in a thread and advertising it.

Some dumb asses do that because they think its ok. Its not. Its not cool and it ruins the atmosphere. Id say this might just be interesting if we just play it out.

Ive been off the scene for too long... yawn. not much seems to be going ever since i lost my spark and got wrapped up in that Neurocam crap. Just wanna get away. This better not be Neurocam related or I'm blaming you Silent Watcher!

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sub-xero wrote:
Look, you cant be 'banned' for getting in on the forum and being a PM at the same time, you are only banned for being 'lame' and posting your ARG in a thread and advertising it.


Um, yes you can. It's okay to be a PM and post to the forum anywhere other than, or about, your own game. Posting in-character or in threads about your own game are strictly forbidden. There are few rules here but this one is hard and fast and if it is broken, there is a strong likelihood of bannination. This rule was most emphatically NOT made to be broken.
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sub-xero wrote:
And you are from the magical land of rules and regulations all of a sudden?


Who? Nah, nevermind.

sub-xero wrote:
Look, I know how things work round here. I'm no stranger, but people need to try new things.

Look, did it ever occur to you that rules are sometimes made to be <ahem> broken?


<sigh>

Look, the rules are few and in general they are wise and just, but if you take issue with any of them, there are other forums to discuss those issues.

The "why should we respect Unfiction's OOG status?" topic has been discussed in detail here if you are curious or feel you have more to say on the topic.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled ARGing. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:11 pm
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mstephans wrote:
Did I get it right?

Well done, mstephans...well done.

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sub-xero
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 		Sure
Whoa! Ok, dont everyone be bitchin at me for just being the one to defend a cause, so youre all so tunnel minded you'd not give a game a chance because of one cock up?

Heres a few things ive bumped into in the past that might be worth considering:

1/ the guys new. now i know thats no excuse but maybe if he realises that hes screwed up now he wont do it again.

2/ has it occured to you it might not actually even be him whos made that post? that could really be anyone trying to screw up an ARG.

But then, this might not even be an ARG at all and in that case boy would their face be Embarassed

well, now thats outta my system, enjoy.

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 		Re: Sure
sub-xero wrote:
Whoa! Ok, dont everyone be bitchin at me for just being the one to defend a cause, so youre all so tunnel minded you'd not give a game a chance because of one cock up?


Again, this would better be discussed in the META section, here, for example.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:46 am
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 		Re: Sure
Phaedra wrote:
Again, this would better be discussed in the META section, here, for example.


Which is exactly where it went. I, for one, welcome more of this discussion, so that maybe this issue can finally be put to bed.

Whether this was one screw up by a unknowing rookie, or a deliberate attempt by a PM aware of the rules, the post did not belong on these forums. I was so happy to see someone 'new' and not affiliated with the admin/mod team so familiar with the rules and regulations of these forums, and for that, mstephans, I really do salute you.

As for you sub-xero, I'm shocked that you are calling us out for having tunnel vision, which is so obviously an uneducated, misinformed accusation. If people were unwilling to give the game a chance because of that one post, then that's their decision. As far as 'rules made to be broken', I can only hope that there are a lot more people out there who value and respect the rules and guidelines we've set out here.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:35 pm
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sub-xero
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 		Heh, dont be shocked on my behalf Jamesi. My comment relating to 'tunnel mindedness' was aimed at those people who seem so quick to make a judgement based on thin fabrications.

Maybe the reason I am so defensive is because I know the person who started that Blog in the first place. Now someone has ruined it and made this whole topic giving negative energy.

Well, it might aswell be closed now, but I would appreciate it if this thread would now be locked.

Locky!

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:04 pm
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rowan
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 		Re: Sure
sub-xero wrote:
1/ the guys new. now i know thats no excuse but maybe if he realises that hes screwed up now he wont do it again.


You're right, it's not an excuse. Because when you come right down to it, what does 'new' really mean?

I doubt you mean a brand spanking new person to the genre. If that was the case, what are they doing putting out an ARG to begin with? It would be comparable to me watching a movie for the first time and deciding 'hey, how hard can this be?' and grabbing my camera and start filming.

Maybe you mean that this person is new to unFiction. A little more believable but it still doesn't excuse poor behavior. For one thing, the person went ahead and registered an account, which means they accepted the TOS for this site. Second, there are several places that alert PMs to the rules that they must abide. Even if a new PM didn't venture into the Meta section (which doesn't add to my confidence level in them. I mean, if they are too lazy or too whatever to read our discussions on the genre, why should their game be any different?) there is the big Welcome box at the top of the page and the big announcement thread at the top of News & Rumors. Again, if they can't be bothered to read/follow some very simple rules/guidelines what is their game going to be like?

I'm really guessing however, that you meant that this is a new PM with their very first ARG. Now if I believe that points 1 and 2 are false, this must mean that the PM has at least an idea of what an ARG is and has some idea of how this forum operates. Even a casual reading of News & Rumors (let alone the Meta section) should give any member an idea of the disdain the vocal members of the community have on 'lame' launches or bending of the forum rules. It's not like the idea of "I'm going to push the boundries of UF" is new. In fact, I'm pretty sure this same discussion came up within this past month and it's pretty clear how the members (and most importantly this site's owner) feel about it.

But I'm sure you're thinking "well, I don't agree with it" and of course you have that right. However, until you come up with enough cash to buy UF from Spacebass (and I have a feeling it would take more than $2000) and change the rules, you're either going to have to follow them or move on. There is absolutely nothing stopping any PM from having their own forums. Last time I checked, this was a players forum (and when I say players, I mean actual players not characters pretending to be players.)

It's not like UF has this huge set of rules that must be followed to the letter or else hoards of ferrets will come to eat your toes off. For the most part, they are pretty much common sense and work to protect the players who have put alot of trust into the PMs and the games they play. If a PM can't respect that, then why should I respect that PM?
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sub-xero wrote:
Heh, dont be shocked on my behalf Jamesi. My comment relating to 'tunnel mindedness' was aimed at those people who seem so quick to make a judgement based on thin fabrications.


Because your friend broke the rules?

/me casts her gaze heavenward and sighs.

The fact that he broke the clearly-posted rules and was called on it is "thin fabrications"?

What was fabricated?

There are no fabrications, just facts.

Fact #1: There are rules.
Fact #2: They are clearly posted and easily accessible.
Fact #3: Despite the above, your PM friend decided to flaunt his disrespect for this forum, the people who use it, and the people who run it by ignoring the clearly-posted, easily-accessible rules.
Fact #4: He was called on it.

Are you sure you understand the definition of the word "fabrication"? Rolling Eyes

sub-xero wrote:
Maybe the reason I am so defensive is because I know the person who started that Blog in the first place.


Your acquaintance with the PM is relevant how?

Rules are rules. They apply equally to friends and strangers here.

sub-xero wrote:
Now someone has ruined it and made this whole topic giving negative energy.


I'm not sure how it's "ruined," as people are still playing it, but if anyone ruined it, it was the PM, by defying (*sigh*) the clearly-posted, easily-accessible rules in a manner so blatantly unnecessary that a newbie felt compelled to call him/her on it.

Again, I think "ruined" is hyperbole at this point, as people are still playing it and this discussion has been moved here to avoid interfering with the enjoyment of those who want to play.

Incidentally, if you don't like being smacked around, perhaps you ought to study up on the oft-discussed reasoning behind this particular rule, to which I have pointed you twice, and, if you still disagree with it, come up with a better argument for breaking it than "but s/he's my friend!"

Most people here are willing to listen to a politely-phrased, intelligent discussion of the pros and cons of the rules here in the META section, but thus far, you haven't had anything new to say.
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 		Oldster observation, and I'm not invested in playing the game in the least:

When you're young and have very little, it's natural to try to circumvent the system to get something - because being naive and impatient is an impediment to following the rules and coloring inside the lines.

To a child, rules seem arbitrary and oppressive. "Rules are made to be broken!" is simply a selfish attempt to get what one wants, now, without having to work at it all.

Because, when you're experienced (jamesi, spacebass, scrappy, et al) and it's your stuff, the rules are much more pertinent:

1) it's their sandbox, and it's totally fine to dress it up the way they want and
2) they've seen plenty of failed attempts in the past and use the rules to prevent more flailing and mistaken ventures.

I, for one, welcome our rule-enforcing gaming geek overlords.

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