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sickboy719
Kilroy
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 1
How about "gamem8ker" or "gamemaker"?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:55 pm
Bonusuk
Decorated
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 182
That's been done too, as has knowledge and revelation (even if it is ten letters).
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:00 pm
_ender
Boot
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 45
What if the calendar on the right blocks certain letters to form a message?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:04 pm
chriscife
Guest
here's somthing that i dont think has been said, and probably for a good reason .. ok so im pretty sure i read someone saying something about how the word 'star' was the only word not covored up by somehting at all in ''all star game' so wut if u made a star in the cryptic letter box thingy and like the letters in or around it forms a word.? kinda out there but figured i would jus say it
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:05 pm
neiana
Boot
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 12
Anybody try Message512 as the key yet? ^_~
- N
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:05 pm
Exulus
Boot
Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 66 Location: England
Just tried typing in 1900222589 on my phone, with predictive text both on and off. Without T9 you get nonsense..but with it on after the 0's i got "BACKTY"...doubt its relevant..just throwing it in for someone to mess with
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:08 pm
NovacaineX
Decorated
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 289 Location: Ohio - New York, USA
try obeygiant
EDIT: Nevermind, tried it.
Any other suggestions anyone?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:50 pm
qhalid
Greenhorn
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 3
Cryptanalysis? I'm by no means an expert, but I've noticed that the text looks, well, too normal for a crytogram. I did a quick frequency analysis, and here's what I see:
Code:
Letter Puzzle Normal
A 11.1 8.2
B 7.4 1.5
C 3.7 2.8
D 4.9 4.3
E 12.3 12.7
F 4.9 2.2
G 2.5 2.0
H 0.0 6.1
I 4.9 7.0
J 0.0 0.2
K 2.5 0.8
L 12.3 4.0
M 2.5 2.4
N 2.5 6.7
O 6.2 7.5
P 1.2 1.9
Q 0.0 0.1
R 7.4 6.0
S 6.2 6.3
T 2.5 9.1
U 1.2 2.8
V 0.0 1.0
W 0.0 2.4
X 0.0 0.2
Y 3.7 2.0
Z 0.0 0.1
Aside from some small irregularities (the total lack of H, the excessive L frequency, etc.,) this doesn't look much like a cypher text. Someone more well versed than I may wish to weigh in here...
//Qhalid
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:10 pm
harrisonh1
Boot
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 56
If we assign number values to the letters A-Z 1-26, could we find a solution to it if it was a matrix?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:42 pm
wryan
Greenhorn
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 3
TEMCO I think this might be a word find. Completely not what anyone would be looking for.
There's TEMCO
and GAME FIND in there.
Considering his heavy reliance on numbers, being the key to the truth, I think we have use matrix co-ordinates deciphered elsewhere to get the correct letters in the correct sequence to solve this puzzle.
There's a link to a website on the bottom of the image.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:17 pm
qhalid
Greenhorn
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 3
Solving as a Matrix The resulting matrix is non-singular, and thus has only the trivial solution to the corresponding homogenous system.
//Qhalid
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:37 pm
Bonusuk
Decorated
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 182
If it was a polyalphabetic substitution cipher (like a vigenere square), then the letter frequencies for the entire dquare wouldn't matter as these are masked by the cipher, and the columns aren't long enough to be conclusive.
The fact that the text can't be read normally means it isn't plain english.
It could be a keyword cipher where certain letters remain unchanged, but that's not proving fruitful.
Like it was said at the beginning of this thread. The vigenere line was taking because it is a 9x9 square, raising suspicion it was a vigenere square with keyword length 9.
Didn't see the point in following the same line as everyone else.
If it was JUST a word search, it would have been solved by now.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:01 pm
Padraigh
Boot
Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Posts: 62 Location: Western Mass
Bonusuk- Since you seem to know a little about cryptography (or at least have some software) the ACA page lists some autokeys in deciphering Vigenere, Variant or Beaufort codes. I can't make sense on how to apply it here. Any ideas?
Code:
AUTOKEY (40-50 letters)
The autokey can be used with Vigenere, Variant or Beaufort.
This example is a Vigenere autokey.
K(key)A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z (plain)
------- ---------------------------------------------------
A A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
B B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A
C C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B
D D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C
E E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D
F F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E
G G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F
H H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G
I I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H
J J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I
K K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J
L L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K
M M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L
N N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M
O O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N
P P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O
Q Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P
R R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q
S S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R
T T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S
U U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T
V V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U
W W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V
X X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W
Y Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X
Z Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y
(NB: This example is a Vigenere Autokey)
Pt: The autokey can be used with Vigenere, Variant or Beaufort.
Key: PRIMER
K: P R I M E R T H E A U T O K E Y C A N B E U S E D W I T H
P: t h e a u t o k e y c a n b e u s e d w i t h v i g e n e
C: I Y M M Y K H R I Y W T B L I S U E Q X M N Z Z L C M G L
K: V I G E N E R E V A R I A N T O R B E
P: e r v a r i a n t o r b e a u f o r t
C: M M B E E M R R O O I J E N N T F S X
C: IYMMY KHRIY WTBLI SUEQX MNZZL CMGLM MBEEM RROOI JENNT FSX
Also, I was under the impression from reading the site, and others, the key is inside the string of letters.
Code:
TLCALBOILEOCPAYLKRLOITEMCOEKLLBYYOLAGAMEFINDBADURRBSLERSFSBFASREEESLRFEIDAABAEDGN
Something along the lines of using the first word found is the key and the following letters are the cipher for the alphabet. No?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:06 am
qhalid
Greenhorn
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 3
More cryptanalysis? I've been dinking with the Vigenere idea for a while now (wrote a quick decoder) and I've been doing a little more research and analysis.
According to http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/cpsc/cryptography/vigenere.html , there is a cryptanalysis technique for dealing with this type of cipher (the Kasiski/Kerckhoff method.) The idea is that repeated bigrams can assist in identifying the key length; this hasn't gone anywhere, though, since the few repeated bigrams do not share a common divisor (possibly because the ciphertext is really short).
I've been running a number of ideas originally posted as solution ideas through as the key, and I'm coming up empty. If anyone has a huge list of words that they'd like to throw at this thing, I'd be happy to give it a shot.
//Qhalid
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:21 am
EelfinnTy
Boot
Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 13
There's a list of words in the long post about this challange. Give me a sec to find the link and you can have at it.
Here's the link
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9890&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360
It's about half way down the page.
Tymais, "I've thrown the word search into a Boggle/Tangleword solver. I limited the size of each word to a minimum of 4 letters."
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:46 am
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