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Sha Noran
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I looked again, what I mentioned at the end of my last post was at about 3:07 and it was just further distorted footage of Alex adjusting the camera... Someone mentioned that this was the footage of Alex setting up the camera, but reversed? Could the distortions in filming and the all out wonkiness be indicating moments where time was subsequently changed or altered? I know people here aren't big fans of time travel theory BUT what if it was more to the point altered in a way that somehow changed a future event that is, in fact, the climax of the storyline Trosphemin have created? What if Alex gave the tapes to Jay ORGINALLY then went back and tried to stop Jay from finding something out by stopping him from leaving with the tapes? Maybe this is why Jay didn't START uncovering things until 3 years later. Maybe Alex put off fate/the inevitable by 3 years by altering this event? Maybe the Operator is a shadow of things that happened but were then altered? I'm going a bit far with this train of thought BUT I really think there's a kernal of truth somewhere in that way of thinking.

What if Alex being a bit chubby as opposed to thin and sickly is AN IDICATION that things have already been changed chronologically in the past of this taped event occuring? Joseph could have sucked his gut in, and they got enough of this scene accurate to the original post and are good enough storytellers/film makers that this is an unrealistic "oversight" aka continuity problem. What if Alex is slowly but surely undoing his mistakes in the past, and Jay is ruining this in the future, aka now? Implying that Alex was ORIGINALLY thin and sickly here but by altering his future after the fact, he is already less unhealthy and thus most likely less further along this doomed path than he was when Jay met him the first time to get the tapes, i.e. before the original CeGars SA post but after Jay started showing us things on Youtube.

As I said I know the time travel theory isn't popular but I can't help but post my thoughts and ideas here that I can see shown. I swear there's an answer somewhere in this way of thinking even if I haven't got it all right...

EDIT: Added on here to avoid a double post.

What if Alex has bribed the Operator to change his past for him? Like making a deal with the devil? Jay and TTA happen to be in the middle of where this change most abruptly occurs and thus are in the way because they have more broad memories that the general public more easily shake off as "feeling like we've met before" or Deja Vu... Perhaps occasionally when we think a person is "possessed" by the Operator they are in fact in the control of their future self, thus being a proxy of their future self who is in a bid to change the past (and thus the future) by saving someone/something... Perhaps the Ark? TTA wants to know what that thing (the Ark) is that Alex is meddling in the past with to save?

These aren't bad ideas...

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Marble Hornets
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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Lytrigian wrote:
It's not, but that makes for a needlessly complicated arrangement, arrived at for no better reason than to make it possible for Jay to somehow still be TTA, when there are no real clues pointing us in that direction.


Someone (sorry, I can't recall who, and I'm too bleary-eyed at this point to seek it out) pointed out that TTA has a remarkable facility for breaking in to Jay's YouTube & Twitter accounts. Now, several options to explain this exist: 1) Jay could just be making it waaay too easy by using a password easily guessed -- whereisjessica123, whatever, or 2) TTA could be an aspiring hacker, and is spending much of his time in trying to secure Jay's channels for his own use in spite of the fact that he has his own platforms from which to speak, or 3) TTA is Jay, and Jay is the personality that is unaware of this situation, and TTA is trying very hard to get his attention.

To my mind, this beats the hell out of time-travel as a plot option. But I can see why you might object to it.


The easiest explanation is that he breaks into Jay's place while he's out, and just goes to his internet browsers saved passwords to find them out

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Lithp wrote:
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TTA used a clip of Jay being filmed. We don't know who was holding the camera, it could have easily been Hoody or Masky. It is fairly obvious that TTA is working with Hoody after the video posted on Alex's Birthday.


Implying that ToTheArk isn't Hoody or Hoody + Masky.
Decline puts that doubt in us though. Hoody disappeared down the rabbit hole for his confrontation with Alex. A few days later, TTA releases a video asking "is he dead, or have you made me a liar?" Assuming he's talking about Alex's death, then who is TTA addressing? Not Tim, who has been taking his pills. The obvious choice here is the Hoody-wearing person who was waiting for Alex in the tunnel. This leads me to believe that Hoody was acting on behalf of TTA, but was not in fact TTA alone, since TTA posts asking about it.

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Lithp wrote:
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TTA used a clip of Jay being filmed. We don't know who was holding the camera, it could have easily been Hoody or Masky. It is fairly obvious that TTA is working with Hoody after the video posted on Alex's Birthday.


Implying that ToTheArk isn't Hoody or Hoody + Masky.


Again, I think that was already heavily implied in the Alex's Birthday video

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Lithp
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Decline puts that doubt in us though. Hoody disappeared down the rabbit hole for his confrontation with Alex. A few days later, TTA releases a video asking "is he dead, or have you made me a liar?" Assuming he's talking about Alex's death, then who is TTA addressing? Not Tim, who has been taking his pills. The obvious choice here is the Hoody-wearing person who was waiting for Alex in the tunnel. This leads me to believe that Hoody was acting on behalf of TTA, but was not in fact TTA alone, since TTA posts asking about it.


I guess, but I figured it was a rhetorical question, aimed at The Operator.

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Again, I think that was already heavily implied in the Alex's Birthday video


...How?

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And I'm simply sad you guys aren't talking about the Operator's shadow rolling up on an awed/dumbstruck looking Jay just before the film gets really creepy distorted. That was the best part of the entry to me. Like come on guys, at that point, Jay is OWNED! What happened here?! And its not Alex's shadow because SOMEONE filmed the clip... Come on now, the tall shadow is TO


This a different shadow from the one Jay is convulsing in? If not, I believe that to be a street sign. If so, I don't believe I saw it. Once again, I watch these things on lowest quality.

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I think the Jay that posted the entries and spoke with us on Twitter just isn't the same Jay from this tape, or from the original MH filming at all. Call it wacky, but that's how it felt. Maybe Alex didn't finish him off, but for Jay to simply not recall this and DEFINITIVELY STATE that this is not how he remembers it... Ok for example, after the beating and relocation Alex clearly put him through, even if he woke up in bed with no memories... Wouldn't he have bruises? A black eye? A sore neck from being roughly strangled? A brutal headache?


Yeah, this is why I thought of the possibility that The Operator replaces people with--or changes them into, if you prefer--alternate versions. I'm not ready to commit to it without some stronger evidence, though.

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I think you may be right that Bruce was on concrete in 65, but I still think there was the same vibe in the scene


I do see the similarity. I'm not sure whether or not it was intentional.

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censura_umbra
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Lithp wrote:
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Decline puts that doubt in us though. Hoody disappeared down the rabbit hole for his confrontation with Alex. A few days later, TTA releases a video asking "is he dead, or have you made me a liar?" Assuming he's talking about Alex's death, then who is TTA addressing? Not Tim, who has been taking his pills. The obvious choice here is the Hoody-wearing person who was waiting for Alex in the tunnel. This leads me to believe that Hoody was acting on behalf of TTA, but was not in fact TTA alone, since TTA posts asking about it.


I guess, but I figured it was a rhetorical question, aimed at The Operator.

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Again, I think that was already heavily implied in the Alex's Birthday video


...How?



Where you assumed it was rhetorical, others assumed it was literal. It has long been suggested that there might be a third member of TTA, we've all mentioned it at one point. That video simply made it a whole lot more plausible.

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Lithp
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I used to be of the opinion that there was a 3rd ToTheArk, when a lot of people weren't, but then they kept setting up Hoody as this diabolical mastermind, & it began looking less & less likely.

Do I even need to point out the problem with basing too much theory on a single ToTheArk remark?

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We've seen Tim writhe in pain without a direct (visible) assailant before (Entry #61), I think it's pretty clear that the same thing is happening to Jay before Alex comes up to beat him up.

Anyway, conjecture time!

I have never ascribed to the Jay as TTA theory, I've pretty much always seen it as Hoody=TTA, and Hoody occasionally manipulates Tim and makes him become Masky. However, the split memory/personality theory is interesting. Tim certainly has it, and Hoody is aware of it: maybe Hoody has found a way to reconcile his psychotic Operator-influenced persona with his conscious personality, and is now seeking revenge on Alex for (presumably) attacking him and exposing him to the Operator.

One reason why the split personality theory being caused by the Operator is that when Tim and Jay are in their conscious personas, they only make extremely vague references to the Operator. I think the most descriptive they've ever been is when Tim says "that THING that follows Alex around." They never really discuss it, they never consider the implications of a supernatural being haunting them. Why? Partially because they're afraid to talk about it, to be sure, but it's also possible that they've separated that aspect of their lives into another persona. This is not to say that Jay is in fact part of TTA or the guy who runs the account (thought that would explain why he's hacked so effortlessly).

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censura_umbra wrote:
Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Someone (sorry, I can't recall who, and I'm too bleary-eyed at this point to seek it out)


It was me who went on the Jay = TTA rant It's a theory I've held since TTA first uploaded something on the MH channel. Back then it was dismissed as nonsense. But as TTA "Hacked" Jay more and more I couldn't let it go. Think about it, when someone you know claims to be hacked, what REALLY happened? They forgot to sign out. Jay falls asleep, TTA wakes up, goes to the computer, and opens YouTube. Which is why it doesn't matter how many times Jay changes his password.

For those saying "But TTA filmed Jay!!!"
No.
TTA used a clip of Jay being filmed. We don't know who was holding the camera, it could have easily been Hoody or Masky. It is fairly obvious that TTA is working with Hoody after the video posted on Alex's Birthday. TTA isn't a group of people, TTA is one person, the YouTube channel operator and leader. Masky and Hoody are just accomplices. Yes I know that in a TTA video it said "Come find me" and was referring to Masky, but that doesn't mean Masky made the video. It is just another way of saying go find him. Like the opposite of speaking in Third Person. For example, like when you talk for your pet or baby (Is that just me? o.o)

Also, the personality makes sense out of other things that I mentioned before.

A major thing is, Where did Jay sleep walk to when he teleported? How did he wake up outside Brian's house? If that happened to Tim, we would instantly blame it on Masky. Why do we not blame Jay's alter ego?
Also, it can explain easily how TTA had MH tapes that Jay didn't (he just took them from the plastic bag before Jay saw them). And how that file was on Jay's hard drive. (It was a little cryptic for Jay to just to have forgot he put it there)

Also, how is Jay not "gone"? How is Tim not "Gone"? Their alter egos took on most of the slendy mind rape. That is how they survived.

I think it there is anything this season is showing us is 1) Tim's history with TO (why? to show what exposure does) 2) Alex's change from TO (I would argue another alter ego, albeit a violent angry one) 3) Jay has more in common with Tim and Alex than we first thought.

In previous seasons, Jay seemed like an innocent bystander, whose only purpose was to be a witness to the strange happenings. But now, we see Jay was involved much more than he or we initially thought. We've seen direct correlations between Alex and Jay.

It would not be out of place for this all to be leading to a reveal the Jay is just as fucked up as Tim and Alex. Remember, Tim probably thought he was normal (except for some memory loss and sleep walking) until Jay showed him the truth.

I would not be surprised to eventually see a Tim filmed entry where he is attacked by a new masked man, who is demasked and revealed to be Jay. Similar to how Tim was revealed.


censura, yes! ^^^all of this!^^^ I knew I was forgetting someone! Thank you!


Lithp wrote:
...I believe that to be a street sign.

It is not a fucking street sign. That shadow is moving, and it gains substance. And it is NOT Alex, who is off to the side, filming. Hie thine ass over to a bibliothèque and view it properly. Evil or Very Mad Perhaps you should avail yourself of one of the no-cost, widely-available opportunities for viewing YouTube at higher resolutions.

Edited: because it has been pointed out to me that my manners have slipped.

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Initially I thought that after this entry Alex moved to Rosswood, but then started thinking he moved to the CreepyHouse from Entry #16. But it looks as though Entry #11 took place in the CreepyHouse, and that tape was given to Jay in Entry #71. Does that mean we can assume the houses in Entry #1, Entry #11 and Entry #71 are supposed to the be same? Or did Alex do a lot of moving about while he was in CollegeTown? Do we have any reason to believe that CreepyHouse was Brian's, other than Jay's anonymous tip off about where he might find Brian?

Also, I was looking at Entry #18 again, and I noticed that masky is wearing a black jacket, a bit like the one hanging on Alex's peg in Entry #71.

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:

It is not a fucking street sign. That shadow is moving, and it gains substance. And it is NOT Alex, who is off to the side, filming. Hie thine ass over to a bibliothèque and view it properly. Evil or Very Mad


Grumple! Bad day?
Wink

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Parietal Lobectomy wrote:
Grumplestiltskin wrote:

It is not a fucking street sign. That shadow is moving, and it gains substance. And it is NOT Alex, who is off to the side, filming. Hie thine ass over to a bibliothèque and view it properly. Evil or Very Mad


Grumple! Bad day?
Wink


Migraining, actually. Why do you ask? Shifty Eyes

Edited: There! I fixed it. Thank you for the gentle reminder. Wink

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I don't see the shadow moving, and it seems to gain substance from the light levels and the camera readjusting exposure. You can see the same effects with volumetric lighting and bloom management. I won't straight up say you're wrong, but it appears to me to be this.

And as to basing a lot on a single TTA statement? I'm not. I merely stated the doubt was there because of the video. I'm not saying "OMG there's another TTA member!!!!11lulz!"

So Yeah.

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paladin181 wrote:
I don't see the shadow moving, and it seems to gain substance from the light levels and the camera readjusting exposure. You can see the same effects with volumetric lighting and bloom management. I won't straight up say you're wrong, but it appears to me to be this.


(because you would never be so rude as to tell me I was wrong, paladin -- gentlemanly as ever. *curtsies*)

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Well, I suppose you could achieve the same effect from expensive CGI or hand-drawn animation, too. Trosephim have been known to make effects from very humble things.
IG, what I'm seeing sure does seem like a volitional thing, versus a passive shadow. I guess that's my point.

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I wonder if Jay still has that Slenderman doll.
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