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[VIDEO] Entry #71
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Lithp
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Ah, this wasn't something I "missed," so much as I suspected it was just part of the distortion. Still not sure.

PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:41 pm
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McGregor
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I'm inclined to believe that it was the operator approaching Jay, rather then Alex, since it was accompanied by such a high level of distortion.

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:00 am
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Animal
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New Idea

Here's a thought. What if this video isn't saying that Jay is an unreliable narrator, but rather, the tapes can not be trusted either?

discuss

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TheJoker
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Re: New Idea

Animal wrote:
Here's a thought. What if this video isn't saying that Jay is an unreliable narrator, but rather, the tapes can not be trusted either?

discuss

Why, though? There's nothing to support that this tape was untrustworthy, and it didn't make any other tape untrustworthy- the only contradiction was between Jay's text narration from the Intro and this actual footage. No reason to assume that this or any other footage was wrong.
Plus that would basically cast the entire series into doubt and we wouldn't be able to discuss anything with solid supporting evidence.

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Animal
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Re: New Idea

TheJoker wrote:
Animal wrote:
Here's a thought. What if this video isn't saying that Jay is an unreliable narrator, but rather, the tapes can not be trusted either?

discuss

Why, though? There's nothing to support that this tape was untrustworthy, and it didn't make any other tape untrustworthy- the only contradiction was between Jay's text narration from the Intro and this actual footage. No reason to assume that this or any other footage was wrong.
Plus that would basically cast the entire series into doubt and we wouldn't be able to discuss anything with solid supporting evidence.


Think of how many of the tapes have been tampered with. Either with removed audio, hidden pictures in frames ect. I don't think its unreasonable to think that some of the vids could have been tampered with in more drastic fashion. I agree it's less likely, but interesting

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RiftTraveler
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So, I stopped paying attention to what everyone is writing about once it devolved into the Unfiction HOLY CRAP ITS A SHADOW LETS ALL TALK ABOUT WHETHER ITS A CRYPTIC CODE IN BASE64BINARYMORSE CODE THAT YOU HAVE TO TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH FROM LATIN!

I'm just scrolling through the pages now, waiting for Pravado to show up and talk about how much he hated this entry.

I mean, seriously, it's just writing an entry guy, I can do that in TWO MINUTES and not have to wait THREE FRICKIN DAYS AFTER THE ENTRY why doesn't he post more im entitled and i deserve this and he should put more effort into his work and if he doesnt care about his fans than he should stop writing posts altogether but garbage you guiz.

-Tycho

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Lithp
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...Are you actually under the impression that what you just said had any more substance than the things you're bitching about?

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Serum
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We're slipping into Videodrome territory here, guys.

Only Alex is Brian O'Blivion and Jay is Max Renn and Tim is David Cronenberg.

If you've never seen Videodrome, go rent it. Seriously, get some culture.

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Grumplestiltskin
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O'Blivion was based on Marshall McLuhan, you know. You should read some McLuhan, Serum; I think it would really resonate with you.

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Lytrigian
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Ztakk wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Okay, first of all, regarding people who are saying that Jay's memories weren't altered: I agree he may have filled in the gap in his memory himself, but consider this. Jay knows full well he's had memory issues in the past, and when he talks about them he usually tells us "I don't remember this happening". But here, he is adamant that he remembers this not happening. I don't know if he'd make such a big deal about it if it was the same as his usual memory loss.


Except this is a small part of a memory, so it's fairly easy for the brain to fill in the gap with the most logical thing. Jay would never expect Alex to attack him like that, so his brain just made the situation that he got the tapes and drove home. I doubt they would suddenly say that, not only does TO have the ability to not delete memories, but alter them at will as well. Seems too late in the series for that and they would have introduced it earlier.

Yes, pretty much this. How often do we remember details about routine things like driving home? In this case, the last thing Jay remembers is getting to the car with the tapes. Then he wakes up -- at home, if Alex drove him? Or he drives home in a state like Tim after he'd been to Slendyland and doesn't remember it? Either way, it's a gap that his brain filled in to give the illusion that a gap wasn't there.

Which is pretty much how his other memory gaps worked, after all. As script supervisor, Jay must have been on the MH set for hours and hours, and worked on the script and other organizational tasks for almost as long -- and he remembers none of it. Surely, before seeing the tapes of himself involved in the production he was entirely unaware that the gaps in his memory even existed. Think of what Jay's memories of his time in college must be like. He'd remember everything that happened -- except for his involvement with MH. This could be much the same thing without much of a stretch at all. He remembered everything that happened -- EXCEPT getting cold-cocked by Alex.

I think any possibility of Jay = TTA video uploader is torpedoed by #68. Here, someone -- almost certainly Hoody -- hacks the MH YouTube account to post the video. At that time, Jay and Tim were on the run, and were at least several hours away near the MH set. Hoody couldn't possibly have gotten the physical tape to Jay. I suppose he could email a file to Jay, which TTA!Jay then posted, only for Jay!Jay to discover a few hours later and reformat into a regular entry -- but what would be the point of that either in-universe or out?

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Sha Noran
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So the points I made in this thread just... Aren't interesting? Or ludicrous? Or lame? Or just wrong? I'd be interested in discussing them, I made several rather long posts with some cool ideas that I got no response on. I mean I only posted them to see what you guys thought. Just sayin', if anyone wants to post counter points or supporting evidence I would be very interested...

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RiftTraveler
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Lithp-

The entire last paragraph of my post was a satirical commentary on pretty much what he writes for every single entry. He's always complaining about how easy it is to make the entries, and how it takes so long, and I was turning that around and using the same lines in regards to him.

Unless you were referring to something else, then... meh. Don't care.

The very rare occasions when I post are pretty much just to tweak noses because it amuses me. Also, I'm curious to see how many times I can get away with it before I get banned.

(Cue the banning... NOW)
-Tycho

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paladin181
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RiftTraveler wrote:
Lithp-

The entire last paragraph of my post was a satirical commentary on pretty much what he writes for every single entry. He's always complaining about how easy it is to make the entries, and how it takes so long, and I was turning that around and using the same lines in regards to him.

Unless you were referring to something else, then... meh. Don't care.

The very rare occasions when I post are pretty much just to tweak noses because it amuses me. Also, I'm curious to see how many times I can get away with it before I get banned.

(Cue the banning... NOW)
-Tycho
But he hasn't posted here at all, so you're merely instigating. Perhaps the mods and admins asked him to curb his vitriol (or even temp banned him), in which case you're only provoking and looking for an argument. Thanks for that, this thread was pretty pleasant before you came along. Basically, because there was no pravado drama you feel the need to invoke it. I mean really you bitch when he DOES post, then you bitch when he doesn't, saying you're waiting for it. Just don't. It's pretty simple.

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elford
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In regards to how Jay got back to his house, could he have driven himself in that "fugue" state? In Entry # 65 Tim drove himself to the annex after being attacked by the Operator. Maybe Jay drove home, put the tapes up and flopped into bed, going to sleep at once, like he did later on.

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kurthnaga
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If this turns into another bash on Pravado thread like Entry 70 turned into, I've lost all faith in these forums. I thought this was a place for community to discuss these events happening to people - i. e. Jay, EMH crew, etc.
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I've been thinking about the memory loss idea and I almost wholeheartedly agree with Lytrigian. Despite having studied memory extensively, this never occurred to me.

There is an action called priming in psychology, which is a way to navigate the memory web. For example, saying hair, then asking for a synonym for rabbit has the person primed to respond hare (yes it's a bad example, bear with me).

I think we have the right of it that Jay didn't remember anything relating to Marble Hornets, or even Alex after the events of this night. Something made him forget all of his involvement with MH and most likely, due to the blanks in his memory, he simply filled them in. It wasn't until he found the tapes that his memory of Marble Hornets, which hadn't been wiped, but stored in the back of his mind, kicked in.

Then some information came out of the unconscious describing the project, but complex information stayed out of mind. I think this can explain why Jay is so vague on the topic of Marble Hornets - he simply doesn't even remember the point of the movie. He knows about as much about it as we do.

He may have filled in the memories with fake ones, but that doesn't mean the old ones are gone. The videos are showing him what actually happened and destroying his fragmented, created memory.
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