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Geneaux486
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elford wrote:
In regards to how Jay got back to his house, could he have driven himself in that "fugue" state?


What's weird is that Jay seems to remember driving home and putting the tapes away. It's possible that his memory could just jump from walking to his car to getting into his car, omitting Alex's attack and his journey back to his vehicle. But if that's the case, you'd think he'd have noticed the time difference if he checked any clock. So I dunno. This whole sequence of events is screwy.

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 		It is possible, though, that because he would never expect Alex to attack him, that he remembered the sequence of events that made the most sense to him. He knew that he ended up at home with the tapes, and he never remembered Alex attacking him b/c that thought would be dissonant to what he remembered about his friend. His brain supplied the missing info from what he thought he knew. I think it's possible Jay drove himself home, and the scene shot from the car window at the end is Alex going to burn the tapes before anyone else could come and mess with his plans.

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Geneaux486
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 		Could be, yeah. Also the entry left me with another question, though I'm sure it's already been brought up on previous pages. Did the Operator reject Jay? I get the feeling that Alex wasn't expecting Jay to return. Granted, Tim did get taken, then dropped back off, and he was able to drive away. Seems like right about now Jay should be asking Tim what he remembers about that incident, and if Tim were to say something along the lines of, "I remember leaving the park and driving home", this becomes a simpler matter, as we'd be able to figure out what happened to Jay.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
It's possible that his memory could just jump from walking to his car to getting into his car, omitting Alex's attack and his journey back to his vehicle.


That's more or less what I'm thinking.

Also, I feel like I missed something -- which incident with Tim are you talking about?

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Zarggg wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
It's possible that his memory could just jump from walking to his car to getting into his car, omitting Alex's attack and his journey back to his vehicle.


That's more or less what I'm thinking.

Also, I feel like I missed something -- which incident with Tim are you talking about?


I think it's entry 64, Tim and Jay are in the tunnel at Rosswood and Alex calls, saying "Leave. Now." And then they see the Operator. Remember now?

(Also, this is an example of the possible memory priming)

Edit: Correct entry number
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 		You know maybe the fact that Jay pointed out the fact he didn't remember the attack is pointing to something different.

We've had Jay point out when he didn't remember whole events that were caught on camera. Here he points out that he couldn't remember the last part of an event. His dramatic pointing out of this fact is actually pointing out that he didn't recognize the fact there was a hole in his memory until now.

Meaning there could have been other events that Jay remembers but doesn't remember entirely. Those same memories however are impossible to discern without some manner of proof.

Perhaps Alex had this same problem. Maybe somehow he realized that either other members of his crew or more likely he himself was forgetting parts of events. I mean Alex at some point made the conscious decision to tape himself nonstop and bought a crap load of tapes. Alex probably noticed a few things while reviewing footage that he doesn't actually remember.

Tim had blank spots, but he can chalk them up to Masky taking over. But he notices them because days and weeks pass and then he's out of a job. He has something that can point out the gaps in his memory and his mind is less likely to fill in the gaps subconsciously since he has a reason for not remembering.

Jay however doesn't have any context. He doesn't film himself constantly anymore (that we know of) and he doesn't have a job. What if Jay has been getting blank spells all along without us knowing it. Even more interesting is that now that Tim is on the run with Jay maybe they are both blanking out at the same time, so neither of them is aware it is happening anymore. What if the gaps in the posts of the entries isn't because Jay is simply slow at posting stuff.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
That is to say, what if the gaps are put there deliberately by the writers?


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EmeraldWind wrote:
You know maybe the fact that Jay pointed out the fact he didn't remember the attack is pointing to something different.

We've had Jay point out when he didn't remember whole events that were caught on camera. Here he points out that he couldn't remember the last part of an event. His dramatic pointing out of this fact is actually pointing out that he didn't recognize the fact there was a hole in his memory until now.

Meaning there could have been other events that Jay remembers but doesn't remember entirely. Those same memories however are impossible to discern without some manner of proof.

Perhaps Alex had this same problem. Maybe somehow he realized that either other members of his crew or more likely he himself was forgetting parts of events. I mean Alex at some point made the conscious decision to tape himself nonstop and bought a crap load of tapes. Alex probably noticed a few things while reviewing footage that he doesn't actually remember.

Tim had blank spots, but he can chalk them up to Masky taking over. But he notices them because days and weeks pass and then he's out of a job. He has something that can point out the gaps in his memory and his mind is less likely to fill in the gaps subconsciously since he has a reason for not remembering.

Jay however doesn't have any context. He doesn't film himself constantly anymore (that we know of) and he doesn't have a job. What if Jay has been getting blank spells all along without us knowing it. Even more interesting is that now that Tim is on the run with Jay maybe they are both blanking out at the same time, so neither of them is aware it is happening anymore. What if the gaps in the posts of the entries isn't because Jay is simply slow at posting stuff.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
That is to say, what if the gaps are put there deliberately by the writers?



I mean, most of that is fairly obvious. The concept that Jay is doing things without realizing them is one we'd have to assume (unless he was immune to the sickness somehow), and some TTA entries like Return show him clearly doing things he doesn't remember. The whole idea that Jay's memory is not to be trusted has been apparent, at least to me, since Return occurred.

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 		Possible Slendy Sighting?
I know this might be a stretch, but I see TO in the background during Alex's aggressive assault:


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 		Re: Possible Slendy Sighting?
TheSupremeFace wrote:
I know this might be a stretch, but I see TO in the background during Alex's aggressive assault...


Given the sorts of things I've been seeing in the shadows lately, I am aware of the deep irony involved in my response here, but I think it's just a blade of grass that's been captured there.

I flipped the image because I couldn't "see" it properly upside down... Embarassed
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RiftTraveler wrote:
So, I stopped paying attention to what everyone is writing about once it devolved into the Unfiction HOLY CRAP ITS A SHADOW LETS ALL TALK ABOUT WHETHER ITS A CRYPTIC CODE IN BASE64BINARYMORSE CODE THAT YOU HAVE TO TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH FROM LATIN!

I'm just scrolling through the pages now, waiting for Pravado to show up and talk about how much he hated this entry.

I mean, seriously, it's just writing an entry guy, I can do that in TWO MINUTES and not have to wait THREE FRICKIN DAYS AFTER THE ENTRY why doesn't he post more im entitled and i deserve this and he should put more effort into his work and if he doesnt care about his fans than he should stop writing posts altogether but garbage you guiz.

-Tycho

Okay, seriously? He bothers you enough that you feel the need to randomly start complaining about him in a thread he's never posted in, at a time when he hasn't posted at all in ages? Has he seriously been on your mind since, what, the Entry 70 thread or whatever?

Moving on...
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I think any possibility of Jay = TTA video uploader is torpedoed by #68. Here, someone -- almost certainly Hoody -- hacks the MH YouTube account to post the video. At that time, Jay and Tim were on the run, and were at least several hours away near the MH set. Hoody couldn't possibly have gotten the physical tape to Jay. I suppose he could email a file to Jay, which TTA!Jay then posted, only for Jay!Jay to discover a few hours later and reformat into a regular entry -- but what would be the point of that either in-universe or out?

My thoughts on the idea that TTA isn't Hoody have always been that TTA is a group- that is, it's not that TTA is a separate person from Hoody or Masky but rather that both of them are members of the "organization", so to speak, and that there may be a third member.

To elaborate, the difference in style from early TTA videos to those from around Season 2 onwards (that is, going from really incoherent with bizarre spacing in all the words to coherent if crpytic) is something I generally attribute to Masky making and uploading the early videos, with Hoody taking charge around Entry #### or so. But that's not to say Masky was in charge before then- rather, Masky had been working on Hoody's instructions from the start, but Hoody took over video duties as well later on.

So, with the theory that Jay is part of the group, my idea isn't that he's necessarily the only creator and uploader of videos, but rather that he's the leader of the group and most responsible for the videos- however, Hoody and Masky are responsible for some as well, and both have the channel's password and uploading privileges. Or alternatively, Hoody is the leader of the group and the one who (currently) makes all the videos while Masky and Jay, both subordinate to him, do other jobs and occasionally help out with the videos.

Basically, Jay doesn't have to be the one making all the videos, and he also doesn't have to upload the ones that are on the MH account- since it's his alter ego's own account, he could easily get the password each time it's changed and pass it along to the other two so they can hijack the account whenever it's necessary. In the case of 68, Hoody uploads it using a password he received much earlier in order to send a message both to Jay and Tim as well as to TTA!Jay and Masky.
Or something.

Have I degenerated into complete nonsense yet? If not, continue on...

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Jay however doesn't have any context. He doesn't film himself constantly anymore (that we know of) and he doesn't have a job. What if Jay has been getting blank spells all along without us knowing it. Even more interesting is that now that Tim is on the run with Jay maybe they are both blanking out at the same time, so neither of them is aware it is happening anymore. What if the gaps in the posts of the entries isn't because Jay is simply slow at posting stuff.

That is to say, what if the gaps are put there deliberately by the writers?


I've actually considered before that Jay loses more time than he realizes and that's why so much time passes between entries even when there's no clear reason. It's not even that he has to be doing something important during these blackouts (ignoring the whole Jay = TTA idea for a moment)- he could just be looping through the same actions again and again before forgetting he's already done them. For instance, when he takes forever to watch a tape, maybe he actually watches it, forgets it before he uploads it, and ends up watching it all over again. Nothing to support this whatsoever, but just a thought.

Okay, I'm done for now. *crawls back into dumpster*

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 		Re: Possible Slendy Sighting?
Grumplestiltskin wrote:
I flipped the image because I couldn't "see" it properly upside down... Embarassed


I flipped my laptop upside down...then I saw your post that flipped the image. oh well!

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paladin181 wrote:
RiftTraveler wrote:
Lithp-

The entire last paragraph of my post was a satirical commentary on pretty much what he writes for every single entry. He's always complaining about how easy it is to make the entries, and how it takes so long, and I was turning that around and using the same lines in regards to him.

Unless you were referring to something else, then... meh. Don't care.

The very rare occasions when I post are pretty much just to tweak noses because it amuses me. Also, I'm curious to see how many times I can get away with it before I get banned.

(Cue the banning... NOW)
-Tycho
But he hasn't posted here at all, so you're merely instigating. Perhaps the mods and admins asked him to curb his vitriol (or even temp banned him), in which case you're only provoking and looking for an argument. Thanks for that, this thread was pretty pleasant before you came along. Basically, because there was no pravado drama you feel the need to invoke it. I mean really you bitch when he DOES post, then you bitch when he doesn't, saying you're waiting for it. Just don't. It's pretty simple.


I'm not even just talking about Pravado, there was also the whole "Hurr durr I'm gonna shit on everyone for overanalyzing even though I haven't posted any information of substance."

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 		I noticed the following thing:

Spritey wrote:
For those of you who never read Jay's original posts on SA, here's a direct copy+paste of his very first one back in 2009. Gotta love this attention to detail.

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...I filed the tapes separately from my others, and was honestly too freaked out to look at them at the time, and eventually forgot about them. But reading about the slender man has peaked my interest again. Maybe it's what Alex was talking about that day...


Did Jay have some hint that there was a slender man like thing on the tapes before he viewed them? Or did he take a quick peak before he posted this? (Or was it simply a hook to lure in viewers with promises of a creepy series and not actually canon?) I only ask now because they seem to be shoe-horning this post into the series with Entry #71.

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 		Re: New Idea
Animal wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Animal wrote:
Here's a thought. What if this video isn't saying that Jay is an unreliable narrator, but rather, the tapes can not be trusted either?

discuss

Why, though? There's nothing to support that this tape was untrustworthy, and it didn't make any other tape untrustworthy- the only contradiction was between Jay's text narration from the Intro and this actual footage. No reason to assume that this or any other footage was wrong.
Plus that would basically cast the entire series into doubt and we wouldn't be able to discuss anything with solid supporting evidence.


Think of how many of the tapes have been tampered with. Either with removed audio, hidden pictures in frames ect. I don't think its unreasonable to think that some of the vids could have been tampered with in more drastic fashion. I agree it's less likely, but interesting


Yeah other tapes have been tampered with but only with things taken out or messed with visually. It's not like Alex filmed the encounter and let Jay go and then somehow the attack was magically put in to make us think it happened.

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I think any possibility of Jay = TTA video uploader is torpedoed by #68. Here, someone -- almost certainly Hoody -- hacks the MH YouTube account to post the video. At that time, Jay and Tim were on the run, and were at least several hours away near the MH set. Hoody couldn't possibly have gotten the physical tape to Jay. I suppose he could email a file to Jay, which TTA!Jay then posted, only for Jay!Jay to discover a few hours later and reformat into a regular entry -- but what would be the point of that either in-universe or out?[


Well TTA=Jay COULD still be right even with the "hacking". I'm not sure 100% how MPD works, but maybe the TTA personality knows the password to the MH YouTube and Twitter and simply told everyone else that's supposedly been "hacking" into it. Then when Jay sees someone's been in the account, the only logical explanation he can come up with is was hacked (because he knows HE wasn't logged in doing stuff, so he thinks someone else must have been)

EmeraldWind wrote:


Jay however doesn't have any context. He doesn't film himself constantly anymore (that we know of) and he doesn't have a job. What if Jay has been getting blank spells all along without us knowing it. Even more interesting is that now that Tim is on the run with Jay maybe they are both blanking out at the same time, so neither of them is aware it is happening anymore. What if the gaps in the posts of the entries isn't because Jay is simply slow at posting stuff.


Jay is still filming himself though. Entry 69.5 shows this

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aidansean wrote:
Did Jay have some hint that there was a slender man like thing on the tapes before he viewed them? Or did he take a quick peak before he posted this? (Or was it simply a hook to lure in viewers with promises of a creepy series and not actually canon?) I only ask now because they seem to be shoe-horning this post into the series with Entry #71.


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No, chronologically, this SA text-post existed, OOG real-time, before any of the Entries were posted. Troy has said on record that he regards the post to have been given as "in character," which makes me regard it as canon (part of the "official" story).


In-game, my feeling is that it went exactly like Jay says it did (minus a beat-down or two, perhaps Laughing ). But that he put the tapes away, was bothered by what he remembered as Alex's words to him about the tapes, and that he eventually forgot about them, I believe that. And I think that seeing the Victor Surge photo-manips of Slenderman on the SA forum triggered a submerged memory in Jay's brain -- not quite as "wiped" as we might have thought -- and led him to think back to those tapes, if only by the faintest of associations...

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