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Lithp
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You know, Alex doesn't say anything that even vaguely smacks of Slenderman. I think that's one of the things that makes me regard that post as non-canon.

I was going to re-read the post, but it got lost in the thread.

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Sha Noran
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Maybe he associated the coversation with slendy because it's the last conversation he had before Alex violently introduced him to the Operator... Which is a memory that has been forcibly forgotten, but not exactly erased. I've always thought the SA post was canon, and 71 really seems to intentionally reinforce that, with Jay pointing out that this really wasn't how he remembered it going down... Implying that he wasn't lying in the SA post and that he is especially disturbed that even from the very start of his story he was just... Wrong. Confused. Not aware of all the facts even when he was QUITE SURE he must be aware of all the facts. It is frightening to consider that it's no longer just that he needs to worry about what he doesn't remember, but also what he's assuming he does. I don't think it's TO "adding" memories but rather changing the perception of remembered events by selectively ommiting ("forcefully making him forget") portions of it.

Perhaps the idea is for us to realize that TO isn't wiping or erasing memories, just making you... Forget about it. In which case the human mind and imagination fill in the gaps, which isn't all that strange or unusual (as has been pointed out several times in this thread).

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
No, chronologically, this SA text-post existed, OOG real-time, before any of the Entries were posted. Troy has said on record that he regards the post to have been given as "in character," which makes me regard it as canon (part of the "official" story).

"In-character" doesn't necessarily mean "canon", it just means he was posting as Jay rather than Troy. If someone appears playing their character in an interview for a more conventional work of fiction like a movie, that doesn't make that interview canon (awful example, but hopefully my point is apparent?)

Point is, the backstory related in the post can probably be assumed as canon. But that doesn't mean Jay canonically posted about it on Something Awful. He may have, but Troy calling it in-character doesn't have anything to do with it.

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TheJoker wrote:
"In-character" doesn't necessarily mean "canon", it just means he was posting as Jay rather than Troy. If someone appears playing their character in an interview for a more conventional work of fiction like a movie, that doesn't make that interview canon (awful example, but hopefully my point is apparent?)

Point is, the backstory related in the post can probably be assumed as canon. But that doesn't mean Jay canonically posted about it on Something Awful. He may have, but Troy calling it in-character doesn't have anything to do with it.


Your example is awful because it presupposes that Troy-the-actor is separable from Troy-the-writer and Troy-the-director. I tend to take rather a Catholic view where Troy's triune identity is concerned, frankly. Wink

In the sense that Troy is the original source, the headwaters of the Mississippi that is Marble Hornets, then, yes, I take all in-character-as-Jay "utterances" (YouTube videos, tweets, and SA posts) as canon. Marble Hornets is not a document (using the term here in the widest possible sense) like a book or a conventional movie -- it's sourced from several points. So while I would not regard every utterance of Troy as MH canon, I do regard every utterance of Jay as such, and that's why 'in-character' matters to me as a distinction. The fact that the SA post appears under the name "ce gars" is why Troy's statement about it is significant.

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Here is what I hope is a better example:

I view Ce Gars's post like one of those ads where a character endorses the show. The person in the ad is "in character," but it is not canon, even though they may act & say things in keeping with their canonical self's original world--for example, referring to their friend, like Alex, or events that ARE canonical, like being given the tapes.

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Lithp wrote:
Here is what I hope is a better example:

I view Ce Gars's post like one of those ads where a character endorses the show. The person in the ad is "in character," but it is not canon, even though they may act & say things in keeping with their canonical self's original world--for example, referring to their friend, like Alex, or events that ARE canonical, like being given the tapes.


Except, ce gars was not saying "Here's this webshow I've got going, go take a look," was he?

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Here is what I hope is a better example:

I view Ce Gars's post like one of those ads where a character endorses the show. The person in the ad is "in character," but it is not canon, even though they may act & say things in keeping with their canonical self's original world--for example, referring to their friend, like Alex, or events that ARE canonical, like being given the tapes.


Except, ce gars was not saying "Here's this webshow I've got going, go take a look," was he?


Yes, he basically did just that. He was announcing his intention to release a series of videos possibly related to Slenderman. I believe he even mentioned the name of the production, Marble Hornets. That's pretty much how a preview trailer for an upcoming television show would work.

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Lithp wrote:
Yes, he basically did just that. He was announcing his intention to release a series of videos possibly related to Slenderman. I believe he even mentioned the name of the production, Marble Hornets. That's pretty much how a preview trailer for an upcoming television show would work.


Are we reading the same post? I'm not seeing him promise to release MH. I'm not seeing the word "Slenderman." This doesn't read as an ad.

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On the memory subject, I noticed the "Silence" in Doctor Who, with Matt Smith, were very symbolic of Slenderman. I believe it was stated somewhere that is where they got their inspiration from. The concept behind the Silence is that when you look awake you forget about them. Maybe that's somewhat like the Operator. Maybe the series are somewhat playing off of each other and the Operator also has this premise of only being remember when being seen or discussed?
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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Yes, he basically did just that. He was announcing his intention to release a series of videos possibly related to Slenderman. I believe he even mentioned the name of the production, Marble Hornets. That's pretty much how a preview trailer for an upcoming television show would work.


Are we reading the same post? I'm not seeing him promise to release MH. I'm not seeing the word "Slenderman." This doesn't read as an ad.


It literally does all of that. He talks about how talking about "slender man" has made him think that it is what Alex was dealing with. It also says that he is going to look through the tapes & "post if anyone is interested," which is not hard to see that he's saying, "I'm going to make some videos."

It reads exactly like a preview ad posted in-character.

Also, I notice that there are some other details that aren't exact here. It says that he did not have time to react, but Jay does indeed react to Alex's statement. It also doesn't seem like there were as many tapes as Jay seems to imply here & in other areas. These thins aren't supposed to be any kind of "point," they're just observations.

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Lithp wrote:
It literally does all of that.


I really don't think we're reading the same thing. Please link to what you're referencing, grazie.

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Lithp wrote:
It literally does all of that.


I really don't think we're reading the same thing. Please link to what you're referencing, grazie.


It is literally the post that you linked to. I just read where the link took me. It is also the only post by "Ce Gars" on the page.

Various passages that I referenced. Things relating to the claim that this is a "trailer" are bolded, other observations I made are italicized:

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About two or three years ago, a film school friend of mine, Alex, was working on his first "feature length" movie. It was called Marble Hornets and I think it was about a twenty something returning to his childhood home and recalling events that happened there.


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There were tons of them. He grabbed a couple of plastic shopping bags and piled the tapes in and gave them to me, then shooed me out of the attic. Right as I was walking out the door, he said, in the most serious tone I've ever heard from someone, "I'm not kidding, don't ever bring this up around me again."

Alex's comment was so sudden that I didn't have time to react before he had closed the door on me. He transferred to an out of state school soon after that and I haven't seen him since.


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I filed the tapes separately from my others, and was honestly too freaked out to look at them at the time, and eventually forgot about them. But reading about the slender man has peaked my interest again. Maybe it's what Alex was talking about that day.


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I've decided to begin going through the tapes later tonight. If I don't do it now, I probably never will. I'm hoping all I find is an unfinished student film and nothing else. That would sure put me at ease now that I'm thinking about it again.

If there's interest, I'll post anything that I find on here.


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You know, I think my brain literally blocked the sentence referring to "the slender man" because Troy wrote "peaked" instead of "piqued," because this is the first time I've actually seen it.

And you're right about Alex not slamming the door in his face, either.

But I'm still not seeing this as an ad. Maybe I'm too credulous.

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I had a Hell of a time finding it each time. I think I used Ctrl+F once or twice. It logically shouldn't be any harder to find than any other sentence, of course, I wasn't really reading it either--I tried, but it was really dry & boring.

It's hard to see this as being written for any purpose other than a preview of Marble Hornets. Which would be a type of ad.

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Well, as you point out, dry, boring. If it's an ad, it's the worst ad ever.

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