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Lithp
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 		I've said it before, I'll say it again: Troy makes a lot of writing mistakes. Even if this was meant to be the introduction--& the actual intro is practically a rewording of it--it would also be terrible, for the same reasons.

I don't know which things Troy actually intended to be hooks for Marble Hornets, but the most successful was undoubtedly the head-snap in Entry...1?

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aidansean
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Lithp wrote:
I had a Hell of a time finding it each time. I think I used Ctrl+F once or twice. It logically shouldn't be any harder to find than any other sentence, of course


Is the operator now making us forget that we are reading about it? Shocked

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Grumplestiltskin
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Lithp wrote:
I don't know which things Troy actually intended to be hooks for Marble Hornets, but the most successful was undoubtedly the head-snap in Entry...1?


Oh, hell yes. Thing still freaks me the hell out, no matter how many times I've seen it.

aidansean wrote:
Is the operator now making us forget that we are reading about it?


It was a nice day... wasn't it? Sunny... and... nice. Good day for a walk in the woods...

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aidansean
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Lithp wrote:
I don't know which things Troy actually intended to be hooks for Marble Hornets, but the most successful was undoubtedly the head-snap in Entry...1?


That head-snap is one of the few times we see the operator from the side. It would be quite funny if it was stalking someone else who lived across the road at the time, and Alex just interrupted it, so it decided to stalk him instead.

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Marble Hornets
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kurthnaga wrote:
On the memory subject, I noticed the "Silence" in Doctor Who, with Matt Smith, were very symbolic of Slenderman. I believe it was stated somewhere that is where they got their inspiration from. The concept behind the Silence is that when you look awake you forget about them. Maybe that's somewhat like the Operator. Maybe the series are somewhat playing off of each other and the Operator also has this premise of only being remember when being seen or discussed?



I have always thought this too. Also those faceless creatures that suck your face out of the TV made everyone operators Sad

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 		Let's not get too crazy, Marble.
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LBfly
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 		We shall not forget Marble Hornets started as a non-fiction story. The things he wrote as Ce Gars are a way of advertising the series without giving away the true essence of the videos, lies, because obviously MH is a fiction work.

I dont agree it was a terrible ad, actually it was great, he said only the main points and didnt speak much about the horror, and it made the videos look even more scary and unnerving for those who started watching it back then.

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aidansean wrote:
Lithp wrote:
I had a Hell of a time finding it each time. I think I used Ctrl+F once or twice. It logically shouldn't be any harder to find than any other sentence, of course


Is the operator now making us forget that we are reading about it? Shocked

Reading about what? ...What thread is this, again?

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On the memory subject, I noticed the "Silence" in Doctor Who, with Matt Smith, were very symbolic of Slenderman. I believe it was stated somewhere that is where they got their inspiration from.

I've heard this before, but does anyone have a link to where they actually said this, if it exists? I mean, I can see the similarities, so it's possible they were loosely based on Slender Man, but do we know for certain?

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No, we don't. There has never anything official that says "The Silence were based off the Slender Man." If anyone has evidence otherwise, I would like to see the source.

However, it is a common assumption that they are related due to similar archetypes between the characters and other similar characters. I remember Victor Surge himself once saying in an interview that the Slender Man itself has was based on the Tall Man from Phantasm and a few other things that terrified him, also that the first few Slender Man images he created were actually photomanips of the Tall Man.

(This is way off-topic for entry discussion and I want to bring this to a close. We have other threads for discussing this sort of thing. Also spoiler for OOG.)

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 		About the whole "unreliable narrator" thing:

I think that Jay is considered unreliable not because of what he might withhold from the audience, but because even he might not remember everything that happened. Shocked
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FalloutGhoul wrote:
About the whole "unreliable narrator" thing:

I think that Jay is considered unreliable not because of what he might withhold from the audience, but because even he might not remember everything that happened. Shocked


^^This.^^

The term "unreliable narrator" comes from literature studies (NO, this is not an invitation to go off-topic onto lit -- get over to the OT thread), and covers a variety of reasons that a narrator might not be entirely truthful, including age, mental status, or temperament. [/English teacher mode]

Given that exposure to TO seems to make everybody "off" in some way -- amnesiac, paranoid, psychopathic -- I'd say that none of the characters in MH can be considered "reliable."

Personally, I don't think Jay is deliberately withholding (with the exception of early on when he wasn't telling us about filming himself, maybe) -- but it could just as easily turn out that he is. It would certainly be a surprising inversion if he turns out to be the villain and Alex the victim...
It'd make Serum happy, though. Smile

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TheJoker
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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
FalloutGhoul wrote:
About the whole "unreliable narrator" thing:

I think that Jay is considered unreliable not because of what he might withhold from the audience, but because even he might not remember everything that happened. Shocked


^^This.^^

The term "unreliable narrator" comes from literature studies (NO, this is not an invitation to go off-topic onto lit -- get over to the OT thread), and covers a variety of reasons that a narrator might not be entirely truthful, including age, mental status, or temperament. [/English teacher mode]

Given that exposure to TO seems to make everybody "off" in some way -- amnesiac, paranoid, psychopathic -- I'd say that none of the characters in MH can be considered "reliable."

Personally, I don't think Jay is deliberately withholding (with the exception of early on when he wasn't telling us about filming himself, maybe) -- but it could just as easily turn out that he is. It would certainly be a surprising inversion if he turns out to be the villain and Alex the victim...
It'd make Serum happy, though. Smile

That sort of twist would be cool if done right, but I don't think it would work in MH necessarily.
Where it would work really well, though, would be an actual ARG, where the narrator could benefit from manipulating the audience to help him.

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Alex's comment was so sudden that I didn't have time to react before he had closed the door on me. He transferred to an out of state school soon after that and I haven't seen him since.[/quote]

Questions about this. It says here that Alex transferred to an out of state school. Would this be the same school he's talking with Amy about in Entry 70? Also wouldn't this mean that College Town and Rosswood Town are pretty far away from each other?


As for the shadow some people were discussing here, I'm not seeing any shadow that approaches or attacks or anything and I'm watching in highest quality. All I'm seeing is that shadow where Jay is scrambling and that just looks like a sign.

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Alex's comment was so sudden that I didn't have time to react before he had closed the door on me. He transferred to an out of state school soon after that and I haven't seen him since.


Questions about this. It says here that Alex transferred to an out of state school. Would this be the same school he's talking with Amy about in Entry 70? Also wouldn't this mean that College Town and Rosswood Town are pretty far away from each other?


As for the shadow some people were discussing here, I'm not seeing any shadow that approaches or attacks or anything and I'm watching in highest quality. All I'm seeing is that shadow where Jay is scrambling and that just looks like a sign.[/quote]I think it's a tree, but it could be either at this point.

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Given that exposure to TO seems to make everybody "off" in some way -- amnesiac, paranoid, psychopathic -- I'd say that none of the characters in MH can be considered "reliable."


I was recently looking over the start of Season 2 for various reasons, and I came upon the following observation. Both Jay and Jessica have short term memory loss and try to compensate for it in the way they talk to each other. Now this is, of course, an obvious point, but it's one that deserves reinforcing. Both characters know that the other character is making things up (perhaps even lying) and both characters know that they cannot keep track of what they have said. The whole dialogue is so well orchestrated between the two to reinforce the point, without being blatant. (For example, we know that Jay tells multiple stories and get caught on it, but how many people noticed that Jessica told a story and then later contradicted it, without Jay calling her on it?) It seems like all the characters are missing vital parts of their memory and compensate by whatever means are effective at the time.

In the case of Jay in Entry #71 he remembers everything up to leaving, and then everything after that, if he remembers it at all, has been edited or erased. Similarly we can expect that Alex lost his memory of some of these events too, and expected to lose his memory. Otherwise why would he have filmed it? Now if we suppose neither Alex nor Jay remembered their actions in Entry #71, and Alex was heavily influenced into that course of action, how would Alex feel about Jay sharing that footage? That could get very interesting...

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