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[VIDEO] Entry #71
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Lithp
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CraicIsMighty wrote:

Lithp wrote:

But I'm also getting sick of the Found Documents Trope in general. I've seen it now in Dissidia Final Fantasy, Bioshock, Marble Hornets, EverymanHYBRID, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy XII, & probably some other things that I'm forgetting due to general grogginess.

Shit is starting to get cliche. What happened to the days when writers figured out ways to tell their plots without having background details literally lying around for no discernible reason but to be shown to you in a prepackaged form?

I think the Found Documents Trope is sort of a necessary evil. Honestly, that's pretty much the only way you could find secret/guarded information in real life. I mean, in real life if you wanted to find out something that happened in the past you'd probably end up at the library going through old records and newspaper articles and diaries and journals. The only other way you could find out is if you got a first hand account from someone who was actually there.

But near as I can tell it just suddenly sprang up in everything all at once.

Quote:

I spoilered in case anyone hasn't seen the movie yet.

Heh.

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:20 pm

thatslenderdude
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And everyone pretty much ignores what I said on the last page....
Mad

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:35 pm

paladin181
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Lithp wrote:

CraicIsMighty wrote:

Lithp wrote:

But near as I can tell it just suddenly sprang up in everything all at once.

Quote:

I spoilered in case anyone hasn't seen the movie yet.

Heh.

The majority of plot points in games like Silent Hill and Silent Hill 2 is almost entirely found documents. This goes back to the late 90's at the latest. In a medium like MH where flash backs aren't exactly a feasible alternative, I like that we get visuals on a lot of the plot exposition instead of actors recounting it in increasingly bad debriefing segments that seem to crop up conveniently as the information is actually needed.

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:52 pm

aidansean
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CraicIsMighty wrote:

I don't see why Jessica being kicked out of her house and Jessica not being able to remember how she got to the hotel are mutually exclusive. Let's say Jessica was telling the truth about being kicked out. She could've gotten kicked out before the events of entry 52 even happened. She could've been living in her car like Jay for weeks or even months before she ended up at the hotel. From what I can see we have no conclusive evidence suggesting she was lying about being kicked out, people just assume she was lying because Jay lied about why he was staying there, and therefore Jessica must have been lying too.

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Jessica is lying when she said she got kicked out. It's not a big stretch to think that she got kicked out just before the seven month gap and had vivid memories of it, in which case it would be one of the last things she remembered after the memory wipe, and she might honestly think she got kicked out a few days ago, rather than many months ago. However I do think she pieces enough of the picture together to realise that there's no way the kicking out lead directly to the hotel stay, so in that sense they're inconsistent. It's a shame Jay didn't have the same testicular fortitude as Jessica to ask her why she thought she got kicked out.

Anyway, getting way off topic here. I just think it's neat that Troseph showed us how what happens when people get their minds wiped, so that we can probably make a fair guess about what happened to Jay after Entry #71. I'm picturing Jay staring at the bags of tapes, pointing at them and his car with a vacant look on his face. "So, I have some tapes. The car has moved. Yesterday I didn't have tapes. Alex isn't returning my calls. So logically, ~~if she weighs the same as a duck...~~ I must have gotten Alex's tapes..." and getting himself all confused and sad. Poor thing!

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:03 pm

gazza
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thatslenderdude wrote:

I watched the burned tapes discovery entry again and I saw that there is another tape that could play. It's case is molded to the tape from being burned though. Realisticly speaking You could salvage the tape from burned tapes if you take them apart and replace the case and some of the tape that is melted. I still think there will be a tape that contains Entry #56 from Alex's POV I liked this entry also. I can smell a lets visit alex's old house entry and it leads to...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

JAY AND TIM FINDING MOAR AND MORE TAPES!

Nicely spotted. I didn't even remember that Alex had his own camera during Entry #56. Hopefully there's a tape that shows what happened between the end of that entry and the start of Entry #57.

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:11 pm

bdhuffman42
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Joined: 21 May 2013
Posts: 5

censura_umbra wrote:

It was me who went on the Jay = TTA rant It's a theory I've held since TTA first uploaded something on the MH channel. Back then it was dismissed as nonsense. But as TTA "Hacked" Jay more and more I couldn't let it go. Think about it, when someone you know claims to be hacked, what REALLY happened? They forgot to sign out. Jay falls asleep, TTA wakes up, goes to the computer, and opens YouTube. Which is why it doesn't matter how many times Jay changes his password.

For those saying "But TTA filmed Jay!!!"
No.
TTA used a clip of Jay being filmed. We don't know who was holding the camera, it could have easily been Hoody or Masky. It is fairly obvious that TTA is working with Hoody after the video posted on Alex's Birthday. TTA isn't a group of people, TTA is one person, the YouTube channel operator and leader. Masky and Hoody are just accomplices. Yes I know that in a TTA video it said "Come find me" and was referring to Masky, but that doesn't mean Masky made the video. It is just another way of saying go find him. Like the opposite of speaking in Third Person. For example, like when you talk for your pet or baby (Is that just me? o.o)

Also, the personality makes sense out of other things that I mentioned before.

A major thing is, Where did Jay sleep walk to when he teleported? How did he wake up outside Brian's house? If that happened to Tim, we would instantly blame it on Masky. Why do we not blame Jay's alter ego?
Also, it can explain easily how TTA had MH tapes that Jay didn't (he just took them from the plastic bag before Jay saw them). And how that file was on Jay's hard drive. (It was a little cryptic for Jay to just to have forgot he put it there)

Also, how is Jay not "gone"? How is Tim not "Gone"? Their alter egos took on most of the slendy mind rape. That is how they survived.

I think it there is anything this season is showing us is 1) Tim's history with TO (why? to show what exposure does) 2) Alex's change from TO (I would argue another alter ego, albeit a violent angry one) 3) Jay has more in common with Tim and Alex than we first thought.

In previous seasons, Jay seemed like an innocent bystander, whose only purpose was to be a witness to the strange happenings. But now, we see Jay was involved much more than he or we initially thought. We've seen direct correlations between Alex and Jay.

It would not be out of place for this all to be leading to a reveal the Jay is just as fucked up as Tim and Alex. Remember, Tim probably thought he was normal (except for some memory loss and sleep walking) until Jay showed him the truth.

I would not be surprised to eventually see a Tim filmed entry where he is attacked by a new masked man, who is demasked and revealed to be Jay. Similar to how Tim was revealed.

THANK YOU! You basically summed up everything I've been thinking. Definitely on board with all four guys having split personalities to deal with the trauma of TO.

Alex having a split could explain why he needs to record himself at all times so he can see what he's up to when he blacks out. Although I do wonder if maybe his other personality has absolutely no control of himself and is 100% under the control of TO.

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:34 pm

Ztakk
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CraicIsMighty wrote:

Lithp wrote:

Yeah that's how you would find out about your past and such...but generally speaking you're not doing that for the entertainment of thousands of people as part of a storyline

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:47 pm

bdhuffman42
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Joined: 21 May 2013
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I don't see why it's so hard to believe that TO "poofed" Jay to his bedroom after he was done with him. Unless I'm remembering wrong, didn't the same thing happen to Tim in Rosswood. Jay leaves Tim to TO and runs through the woods to his car only to find that Tim has somehow beaten him there.

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:56 pm

CraicIsMighty
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Ztakk wrote:

CraicIsMighty wrote:

Lithp wrote:

Yeah that's how you would find out about your past and such...but generally speaking you're not doing that for the entertainment of thousands of people as part of a storyline

I know, but a major story arc in Marble Hornets has been finding out what happened in the past, either during the shooting of Marble Hornets or during the 7 month gap. I honestly don't know of any other way they could show what happened in the past other than found footage. It would be nice if they didn't devote entire entries just to finding the tapes though. Entry 21 was one thing but having two entries this season be just finding tapes sort of sucks.

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 1:55 am

Marble Hornets
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Here's the thing

The past footage is interesting. Taking an entire entry to actually find a tape with past footage, is not. It would be more practical to just have hoody upload past footage to the account, or at the very least just have someone mail the shit to Jay so we don't have to waste time on tape finding entries.

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:40 am

Marble Hornets
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bdhuffman42 wrote:

Tim runs to the car, the operator just teleports him to different parts of Rosswood. The same thing happened in entry 41, it's how hoody beat Jay to the car.

It's undeniable that the operator can teleport people wherever he wants. He takes Alex in 44 right out of his room to somewhere else, and he teleports into Jay's hotel room which was super far away from where Alex last was (where the operator would have seen Jay) - it's clear to me that "space" doesn't restrict the operator - as in he can appear wherever he wants whenever he wants

I assume that the operator either brought Jay home, or hoody did. We've seen hoody tend to Jay/others after they've been operated on a few times (Tim in entry 68, Jay in entry 62)

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:44 am

twistedpuppet
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Marble Hornets wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

That would not make sense with the story as it had developed before they found the tapes. Tim and Jay were on the run. NO ONE IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE!! Therefore, they CANNOT HAVE SOMEONE SEND THE TAPES TO JAY.

Not to mention, it makes no sense for Hoody to have tapes that he didn't already have. Alex set those aside specifically to burn. You are proposing lazy writing for YOUR convenience.

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 11:41 am

Ztakk
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twistedpuppet wrote:

Marble Hornets wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

No one was supposed to know where Jay was the first time he had tapes mailed to him.

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:27 pm

bdhuffman42
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Joined: 21 May 2013
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Ztakk wrote:

twistedpuppet wrote:

Marble Hornets wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

No one was supposed to know where Jay was the first time he had tapes mailed to him.

Right. And again if everyone is suffering from split personalities then their other selves could be keeping in contact at all times.

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:35 pm

CraicIsMighty
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Marble Hornets wrote:

I just said that. ↓

CraicIsMighty wrote:

It would be nice if they didn't devote entire entries just to finding the tapes though. Entry 21 was one thing but having two entries this season be just finding tapes sort of sucks.

Anyway I don't mind them showing Tim and Jay finding tapes, I just wish that wouldn't be the whole entry. I think they did the found tapes thing best in entry 54 because they showed Jay getting the tapes and then showed something that was actually on the tapes. The whole entry wasn't just jay getting the bag of tapes from Tim.

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 1:36 pm

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