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What actually is the ark.
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Jsor
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 		Pretty much the only cases where you hear "ark" nowadays are The Ark of the Covenant and Noah's Ark. Even if it's meant to be metaphorical, I doubt that symbolically or in terms of use that it will stray far from either of them. I think Noah's Ark is probably more likely to be "related" (meaning in concept, I don't think it's literally a big boat) due to the fact that I think Noah's Ark is the more common allusion along with the fact that The Operator has a definite water theme so it fits together well.

That... still doesn't give us much to go on. It could be a way to escape "the Flood" (the Operator -- if we take the Operator to be water). Or maybe it's a way to prepare for "the flood", with the implicit assumption that the flood (meaning: whatever the Operator is planning) is good or necessary like the flood in The Bible. Or... hell, maybe The Ark is an ark for the Operator, a home or means of escape for IT (like someone mentioned, a permanent host, or something nobody has thought of yet). Or any other number of things, though I am pretty sure that symbolically it's going to be related to the more famous arks.

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 		Calling it that ethey won't explain what the ARK is
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Ztakk
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Lithp wrote:
My problem with a lot of the Ark theories is that they are so much more "out there" than Marble Hornets has ever been.

"Way to defeat The Operator?" "Way to seal it away?" "Way to grant immunity from it?"

These kind of sound like anime plots.


Not really anime plots. There's been stories of people trying to get rid of evil beings, which TO is, in one form or another long before anime even came into existence.

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Lithp
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Ztakk wrote:
Lithp wrote:
My problem with a lot of the Ark theories is that they are so much more "out there" than Marble Hornets has ever been.

"Way to defeat The Operator?" "Way to seal it away?" "Way to grant immunity from it?"

These kind of sound like anime plots.


Not really anime plots. There's been stories of people trying to get rid of evil beings, which TO is, in one form or another long before anime even came into existence.


Thank you for explaining to me what I already knew.

Okay, if not associating this plot device with anime is so important to you--because anime characters don't often talk, at length, about how they can lean new techniques to counter their enemies' powers, I suppose--then let's try this example:

Marble Hornets is low fantasy. It takes place in modern day Earth, & aside from The Operator & some instances of uncontrolled teleportation, there have been no clear demonstrations of supernatural abilities. The characters generally don't entertain the thought that supernatural forces that run counter to The Operator might even exist, much less that they could use these forces for themselves.

These theories essentially say that The Ark is a mystical artifact to defeat The Operator's dark magic that the protagonists must quest for. That is a high fantasy plot, & would look very strange if it suddenly popped up in Marble Hornets. In low fantasy, if The Operator had a weak point, it would probably be some kind of natural object that is relatively easy to find. Silver. Fire. That sort of thing.

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Ztakk
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Lithp wrote:
Ztakk wrote:
Lithp wrote:
My problem with a lot of the Ark theories is that they are so much more "out there" than Marble Hornets has ever been.

"Way to defeat The Operator?" "Way to seal it away?" "Way to grant immunity from it?"

These kind of sound like anime plots.


Not really anime plots. There's been stories of people trying to get rid of evil beings, which TO is, in one form or another long before anime even came into existence.


Thank you for explaining to me what I already knew.

Okay, if not associating this plot device with anime is so important to you--because anime characters don't often talk, at length, about how they can lean new techniques to counter their enemies' powers, I suppose--then let's try this example:

Marble Hornets is low fantasy. It takes place in modern day Earth, & aside from The Operator & some instances of uncontrolled teleportation, there have been no clear demonstrations of supernatural abilities. The characters generally don't entertain the thought that supernatural forces that run counter to The Operator might even exist, much less that they could use these forces for themselves.

These theories essentially say that The Ark is a mystical artifact to defeat The Operator's dark magic that the protagonists must quest for. That is a high fantasy plot, & would look very strange if it suddenly popped up in Marble Hornets. In low fantasy, if The Operator had a weak point, it would probably be some kind of natural object that is relatively easy to find. Silver. Fire. That sort of thing.


On the other hand you can't say it's not some magical object or anything else like that because as you said, they don't entertain magic or anything like that but that doesn't mean something to that effect isn't the ark. Nothing's been said about the ARK like what exactly it is (if it's a physical object or an abstract concept or anything like that so until they do say anything telling us what it is, nothing is out of the realm of possibilities. You act like they've never taken the story in a terrible or off the wall direction before.

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Lithp
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Ztakk wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Ztakk wrote:
Lithp wrote:
My problem with a lot of the Ark theories is that they are so much more "out there" than Marble Hornets has ever been.

"Way to defeat The Operator?" "Way to seal it away?" "Way to grant immunity from it?"

These kind of sound like anime plots.


Not really anime plots. There's been stories of people trying to get rid of evil beings, which TO is, in one form or another long before anime even came into existence.


Thank you for explaining to me what I already knew.

Okay, if not associating this plot device with anime is so important to you--because anime characters don't often talk, at length, about how they can lean new techniques to counter their enemies' powers, I suppose--then let's try this example:

Marble Hornets is low fantasy. It takes place in modern day Earth, & aside from The Operator & some instances of uncontrolled teleportation, there have been no clear demonstrations of supernatural abilities. The characters generally don't entertain the thought that supernatural forces that run counter to The Operator might even exist, much less that they could use these forces for themselves.

These theories essentially say that The Ark is a mystical artifact to defeat The Operator's dark magic that the protagonists must quest for. That is a high fantasy plot, & would look very strange if it suddenly popped up in Marble Hornets. In low fantasy, if The Operator had a weak point, it would probably be some kind of natural object that is relatively easy to find. Silver. Fire. That sort of thing.


On the other hand you can't say it's not some magical object or anything else like that because as you said, they don't entertain magic or anything like that but that doesn't mean something to that effect isn't the ark. Nothing's been said about the ARK like what exactly it is (if it's a physical object or an abstract concept or anything like that so until they do say anything telling us what it is, nothing is out of the realm of possibilities. You act like they've never taken the story in a terrible or off the wall direction before.


No, I can't say definitively, absolutely, 100%, without-a-doubt, that this isn't something that they will do. I never claimed that I could. Much like I never claimed that these plot devices were exclusive to anime.

What I CAN say is that this is a terrible justification for the theory. There are a number of things that are hypothetically possible, but we can still say are unreasonable because they don't match what we know about the series. That Troy is just going to stop working on Marble Hornets tomorrow & not tell anyone, with Splendorman popping out, or some other troll move, because we believe him to be trustworthy & serious about this project. That The Operator is a ghost of a pedophile that was stretched out & set in fire on a tree, or a construct of Tim's or Alex's warped psyche, because they said that they weren't going to give The Operator an origin story. That Jay is going to destroy The Operator with a Kamehameha because that would copyright infringement, among many other things.

I don't know if I "act like they've never taken the story in a nonsensical or off-the-wall direction before," because I don't know what you MEAN by that. I DO act like they've never changed the genre before, because they HAVEN'T. This is some kind of false equivalency/straw man. What I said was "genre shift." What you have turned it into is "random plot device." Not all random plot devices are genre shifts. Not all random plot devices are on the same level, in general. Proving that they have done strange plot devices--which you haven't, you've merely stated it--does not prove that "anything goes." Unless you're watching an absurdist parody, there are probably way stranger things that they could do.

Also, if they HAVE done something like this before, then you could just explain how they've done something like this before. That would mean that it is entirely in-keeping with the tone of the series, & you would have proved my criticism false. It would be much more effective than quibbling over semantics, or demanding that I prove a negative.

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 		This thought just came to me after rewatching Entry 72. An ark, as stated on here previously, is something that you store something in. A big theme in this series is the loss of memories, hence the need to film oneself so what was forgotten is remembered (in a way). What if the ark is where lost memories are? Maybe the Operator has a place (on the other side of that tunnel in Rosswood...Oppy-world...?) where he takes the memories and warps/steals them from people and uses them as energy. Is TTA's goal to find this place, get their (and everybody else's) memories back, and destroy it? Thus destroying the Operator?

Or am I just a frickin' loon?

On another note, I have no damn clue who Hoody and/or TTA could be but I feel like it could be some random ass character who we've never met.

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Lheai
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MariahTedder wrote:
This thought just came to me after rewatching Entry 72. An ark, as stated on here previously, is something that you store something in. A big theme in this series is the loss of memories, hence the need to film oneself so what was forgotten is remembered (in a way). What if the ark is where lost memories are? Maybe the Operator has a place (on the other side of that tunnel in Rosswood...Oppy-world...?) where he takes the memories and warps/steals them from people and uses them as energy. Is TTA's goal to find this place, get their (and everybody else's) memories back, and destroy it? Thus destroying the Operator?

Or am I just a frickin' loon?

At this point, with the recent discussion of the Operator feeding off of memories, I'm torn between two theories: Your theory (or a version of it), and the Ark being a reference to Noah's Ark. An ark being a container, I think it's plausible that it's where Oppy stores/contains people's memories. But with the overall Oppy theme of water, I really feel like the Ark might have more to do with Noah's Ark and the Flood... the thing is, is TTA trying to ESCAPE Oppy, or is TTA IN CAHOOTS with Oppy?
I personally think that TTA is more than just one person, and that it includes Masky and Hoody. The thing is, Masky and Hoody are the Operator's "proxies", right? But why does Hoody seem to be helping Jay and Tim? I mean, maybe I'm overthinking things, but the whole thing's really confusing me right now Confused

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Lheai wrote:
MariahTedder wrote:
This thought just came to me after rewatching Entry 72. An ark, as stated on here previously, is something that you store something in. A big theme in this series is the loss of memories, hence the need to film oneself so what was forgotten is remembered (in a way). What if the ark is where lost memories are? Maybe the Operator has a place (on the other side of that tunnel in Rosswood...Oppy-world...?) where he takes the memories and warps/steals them from people and uses them as energy. Is TTA's goal to find this place, get their (and everybody else's) memories back, and destroy it? Thus destroying the Operator?

Or am I just a frickin' loon?

At this point, with the recent discussion of the Operator feeding off of memories, I'm torn between two theories: Your theory (or a version of it), and the Ark being a reference to Noah's Ark. An ark being a container, I think it's plausible that it's where Oppy stores/contains people's memories. But with the overall Oppy theme of water, I really feel like the Ark might have more to do with Noah's Ark and the Flood... the thing is, is TTA trying to ESCAPE Oppy, or is TTA IN CAHOOTS with Oppy?
I personally think that TTA is more than just one person, and that it includes Masky and Hoody. The thing is, Masky and Hoody are the Operator's "proxies", right? But why does Hoody seem to be helping Jay and Tim? I mean, maybe I'm overthinking things, but the whole thing's really confusing me right now Confused

Short version, because I have to go in a minute- Masky and Hoody are not proxies. People once assumed they were, but there's no actual evidence supporting this and plenty to the contrary.

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TheJoker wrote:
Lheai wrote:
MariahTedder wrote:
This thought just came to me after rewatching Entry 72. An ark, as stated on here previously, is something that you store something in. A big theme in this series is the loss of memories, hence the need to film oneself so what was forgotten is remembered (in a way). What if the ark is where lost memories are? Maybe the Operator has a place (on the other side of that tunnel in Rosswood...Oppy-world...?) where he takes the memories and warps/steals them from people and uses them as energy. Is TTA's goal to find this place, get their (and everybody else's) memories back, and destroy it? Thus destroying the Operator?

Or am I just a frickin' loon?

At this point, with the recent discussion of the Operator feeding off of memories, I'm torn between two theories: Your theory (or a version of it), and the Ark being a reference to Noah's Ark. An ark being a container, I think it's plausible that it's where Oppy stores/contains people's memories. But with the overall Oppy theme of water, I really feel like the Ark might have more to do with Noah's Ark and the Flood... the thing is, is TTA trying to ESCAPE Oppy, or is TTA IN CAHOOTS with Oppy?
I personally think that TTA is more than just one person, and that it includes Masky and Hoody. The thing is, Masky and Hoody are the Operator's "proxies", right? But why does Hoody seem to be helping Jay and Tim? I mean, maybe I'm overthinking things, but the whole thing's really confusing me right now Confused

Short version, because I have to go in a minute- Masky and Hoody are not proxies. People once assumed they were, but there's no actual evidence supporting this and plenty to the contrary.

Oh okay, I was gonna say... I was lurking for a while, I must have missed something, lol.

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 		90% sure it's some kind of doomsday stuff.

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Janthran wrote:
90% sure it's some kind of doomsday stuff.


What?

Also, shouldn't this thread be merged with the original "Who is ToTheArk" thread? The one that suggests it might be the 1992 Denver Broncos?

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Serum wrote:
Janthran wrote:
90% sure it's some kind of doomsday stuff.


What?

Also, shouldn't this thread be merged with the original "Who is ToTheArk" thread? The one that suggests it might be the 1992 Denver Broncos?

The Operator is attempting to end the world, and only those on the Ark will survive. No?

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Janthran wrote:
Serum wrote:
Janthran wrote:
90% sure it's some kind of doomsday stuff.


What?

Also, shouldn't this thread be merged with the original "Who is ToTheArk" thread? The one that suggests it might be the 1992 Denver Broncos?

The Operator is attempting to end the world, and only those on the Ark will survive. No?


Oh, okay. I gotcha. That makes sense, I guess.

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Serum wrote:
Janthran wrote:
90% sure it's some kind of doomsday stuff.


What?

Also, shouldn't this thread be merged with the original "Who is ToTheArk" thread? The one that suggests it might be the 1992 Denver Broncos?

Well, it's sorta an independent question- one is about the character and one about the object he seeks. It could be, I guess, but there's no reason to merge that I can see.

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