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[Trailhead] Rewriting The Future
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sequoya
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I was wondering if the 'cats' were just referring to the "concatenate" command, "cat"... so like

D = a cat b
E = b cat c
F = c cat d
G = a cat b cat e

But I can't really figure out what to do with it, and it doesn't explain why different cat pictures were used, if that has any relevance. I guess if the A, B, C are binary strings then we could use the above to put it all together? I will give it a go. Which picture is 1, though, and which 0? And what do we do with the empty spaces, are they 1s or 0s?

Just my ramblings, could be nothing Smile
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Beth just gave us the 'uplook table': http://stoptoilworndiamond.co.nf/golactic/

It's the URL in this image from the Message #11 update:

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Still scratching my head on this one.
At the bottom of the page is
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Geusa
/xxxx-...-xxxx.html

and the anagram for the url is Cat Logic. Hrmmm. Confused
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Hi! Maybe Geusa =Usage? Guess the "grid" with the arrow on Beth's photo is helpful tho am also not seeing it.

EDIT: To thank sequoya for noticing the Truth Tables tab below. I'll need to review their BASICS later this evening. Reckon the correct values need to be HTML at Avecira (obvious Laughing )
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sequoya
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Lots of interesting clues in that image....

The other tabs in the browser, as well as lolcat related sites there is the Wikipedia entry for Truth Tables. So that might be what the table is?

Definitely think the arrow direction on the post-it is a clue too... hmmmmm.

Edit - Also, haha. The words in the lookup table are all different cat memes. Grumpy cat, Serious cat, monorail cat... Smile
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Hi folks, been working on this all evening and the answer is...
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

http://stoptoilworndiamond.co.nf/golactic/keyboard-monorail-long-lime-gravity-shironeko-lime-bullet.html

Will post my working shortly but basically it leads to another, larger, truth table! Hahaha....

Edit: Okay, here is how it was solved...
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Basically I figured that lion, cat and cougar were each being used to represent different truth table operators, the key was working out which was which. I just used Excel to figure it out in the end as it has all the operators as part of its functions.

Richard's picture represents a "True" value
Buck's picture represents a "False" value
The Lion is the "OR" operator
The Cat is the "AND" operator
The Cougar is the "XOR" operator

You can use the above to fill in the blanks in the truth table. Then, following the arrow on the post-it, you compare columns D, E, F, G against the lookup table and get the above URL.

Phew! Hope this makes sense... now we have more operators (black cat, kitten, tabby) to identify and a much larger table, though, and I have an epic headache after all this so I might need to leave working on it till tomorrow Very Happy

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Coffee Props on both your reasoning & Excel(lence). Not to deflect this task yet hoping sequoya's headache is A-OK b/c the latest Truth Table has left me speechless.
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sequoya
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Hi! Thanks amandel, a lot better today Smile

Trying to work on this a bit in my lunch break, but I'm struggling a bit. I think I've figured out what the new operators might be:
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Black Cat = NOT
Tabby = "Implies" (in Excel I am using "OR (NOT(A1), B1))" formula to evaluate it)
Kitten = The Not of an XOR (is it called an XNOR?)

They could be wrong though.

Also, I reckon the green borders around groups of cells in this puzzle's table are showing us which ones to use in the URL.

Assuming the above assumptions are right, the thing I'm having trouble with is rows J and K, trying to work out how to string the operators together and which operators take precedence over each other... basically, where to put the brackets! I thought I had it for a bit but when I tried the resulting URL it 404d Sad

If anyone else fancies helping out I could upload the spreadsheet I'm using to Google Docs or something?

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sequoya
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Okay, sorry to double post but I've got it! I actually did indeed have it right above, but I made a stupid typo (an equals sign instead of a dash!) and that was causing the 404. The answer below...


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http://stoptoilworndiamond.co.nf/golactic/drill-gravity-ceiling-keyboard-ceiling-ceiling-gravity-ceiling-ceiling-lime-drill-monorail-gravity-ceiling.html


And the next bit of text is:

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TS:2033-12-31-23-59-60 Richard had a very strong belief on the possibilities of computers. He firmly believed that with clever algorithms, computers would be much more capable of making intelligent decisions than humans. Moreover, he thought that computers that were obeying his algorithms would basically be omniscient. That is why he took it as his personal mission to get Toilworn Diamond included to every computer in the world. Buck didn't share Richard's ideology to the same extent, but he saw the great possibilities of making truckloads of money with Toilworn Diamond. In the nineties, they studied a lot about artificial intelligences, data mining, machine learning, and all other areas that they needed in the project. They wanted to build a system that would make a profile of a person and decide what is shown to the user based on the profile. Richard was aiming to make life more efficient by letting computers make the decisions for humans. On the other hand, Buck realized how much advertisers would be willing to pay for being able to target their campaigns based on the detailed user profiles.

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I just checked trying to sort the monalisa pic acording to the level of red, but I ended up with a scrambled image. It should be so, really, since there are 256 levels of red, and 650 pixels, so many pixels have the same red level and is thus it's impossible to sort them...

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sequoya
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Hey Arenhart. I actually asked Beth how Avecira were progressing with this puzzle when I emailed her about the cat logic solution and she has replied...

Quote:

I don't think they have solved those Mona Lisa / Kekkonen pictures either. However, I heard that someone who they have recruited to help, sorted the pixels based on the red component. Apparently he got something that kind of looks like a QR code, but still quite isn't. But I don't know what was wrong with it and has he made any progress since then. It really is puzzling!


It sounds like you're definitely going along the right lines... maybe once the red pixels are sorted, we need to isolate the other (blue or green) channels or something? Could you maybe try it on your sorted pic?
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sequoya wrote:


It sounds like you're definitely going along the right lines... maybe once the red pixels are sorted, we need to isolate the other (blue or green) channels or something? Could you maybe try it on your sorted pic?


So here is what I got:


Two things can be implied from this image: the red channel is seemingly random and should contain a code, and it probably translates to a binary image (ciaroescuro).

The main problem with sorting is that there is loss of information, let me exemplify:
(4, 29, 13), (4, 36, 20), (4, 37, 18 ), (4, 209, 221), (4, 214, 249), (4, 221, 207), (4, 236, 248)
This is a set of rgb values from my sorted list of pixels. There are many pixels with a 4 in the red level, and some are light while others are dark. I cannot conceive a way of identifying how they should be arranged...

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sequoya
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Wow, that really does look *almost* like a QR code, though. Look at the top left / top right corners (and to a slightly lesser extent the bottom left corner), you can see starting to take shape those tell tale black squares with a border round them that all QR codes have. Sorry, not a useful comment but I definitely think you are very close here!

Edit - maybe once we first sort on the red level, we then have to sort on one of the others for those where the red level was the same? Red level sort, then green level sort? I have no idea if that would make sense, just a thought.
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sequoya wrote:
Wow, that really does look *almost* like a QR code, though. Look at the top left / top right corners (and to a slightly lesser extent the bottom left corner), you can see starting to take shape those tell tale black squares with a border round them that all QR codes have. Sorry, not a useful comment but I definitely think you are very close here!

Edit - maybe once we first sort on the red level, we then have to sort on one of the others for those where the red level was the same? Red level sort, then green level sort? I have no idea if that would make sense, just a thought.


You're right, its a qr code alright, we just have to refine it a bit. The way it stands, the pixels are first sorted by the red level, then the blue one, perhaps I could invert it? They do seem to be scrambled on the vertical axis, which is the order in which it is placed on the picture. We just gotta figure out how to do the second sorting... perhaps by averaging the blue and green values? I'll try that.

EDIT: It's devilish, sorting might solve it, but I have no idea how to subsort the pixels... its not based on the green or blue level, since they both produce the same effect of leaving the white pixels last in the same red level. here are some parts of the list:
(25, 34, 19), (25, 45, 16), (25, 254, 236)
this leaves a black, black, white pixels. To conform with a qr code, it would have to be white, black, black... But inverting the subselection would scramble other segments, like the red 1 segment, that has one white pixel in its end, exactly where it has to be.

Im thinking wild here, but perhaps there is some set of rules that might invert the colour of the pixel? I am posting the first segment below, whatever rule chosen, this segment must maintain its colours. (high values = white, low values = black)
(1, 3, 7), (1, 5, 17), (1, 15, 46), (1, 21, 18), (1, 30, 21), (1, 40, 28), (1, 46, 30), (1, 207, 228)

EDIT2: converting to cym doesn't work

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I wrote a small java programm, that converts the sanomali image. I get the same result as Arenhart, just with columns and rows exchanged.

I agree that their must be specific way to order the pixels with the same RGB, which I have no idea how to do this.
Like Arenhart has written:

D(1, 3, 7), D(1, 5, 17), D(1, 15, 46), D(1, 21, 18), D(1, 30, 21), D(1, 40, 28), D(1, 46, 30), L(1, 207, 228) --> here the sequence is correct

D(25, 34, 19), D(25, 45, 16), L(25, 254, 236) --> this should be L-D-D

But it is not just about if the Light or the Dark pixels come first.
Another example:

D(19, 10, 3), D(19, 36, 13), D(19, 42, 46), L(19, 233, 206) --> this should be D-L-D-D

Does anyone see a pattern?

Should I post the java program?
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