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 		If the intention was that everyone perceives the Operator differently, and we're only seeing the Operator through the lens of "Jay," that would have been brought up by now.

You're introducing elements to the story that have not once been mentioned in the story itself.

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 		Once we venture into the deconstructionist territory of speculating that what we say is not what others hear / not what we said / not what we meant / empty of meaning / completely arbitrary / not speech at all / oh no, I've gone cross-eyed; my head hurts.

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 		Well, in the older slender man stories, he was said to look differently to everyone. So, Serum's original theory isn't all to far out. That other stuff about mirrors and perception, though, was really just "philosophical" nonsense.

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Beidah wrote:
That other stuff about mirrors and perception, though, was really just "philosophical" nonsense.


You're right, bro-- I'd better start living my life for Science. Science has a plan for all of us, and I want to be a part of it if I want all to know the Glory of Science.

Hail Science!

Seriously, though, the Operator is not from this world-- it's painfully obvious he's a demon or some sort of culmination of negative human emotions. Like many have said, he's an abomination. I'm not saying he's the Devil, the Christian Devil or any other faith's particular Devil, but he is obviously a servant to a very dark and terrible power that is watching humanity very closely.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Zalgo.


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 		I think there is one logical reason why TO appears the same to everybody: He wants to appear classy. That's obvious, he wouldn't bother wearing a suit otherwise. Any other appearance (the rabbit, the penguin,...) is less classy and therefore unacceptable.

Serum, have you possibly been reading Simulacra and Simulation too much? Smile

Also there is no spoon...

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kralyk wrote:
I think there is one logical reason why TO appears the same to everybody: He wants to appear classy. That's obvious, he wouldn't bother wearing a suit otherwise. Any other appearance (the rabbit, the penguin,...) is less classy and therefore unacceptable.

Serum, have you possibly been reading Simulacra and Simulation too much? Smile

Also there is no spoon...


I've never heard of that book, but I'm going to look it up, right now.

Furthermore, if the Operator wanted to look human, he'd look human. Instead he looks like an eight foot mannequin without a face at Nordstrom's big and tall suit department.

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kralyk wrote:
I think there is one logical reason why TO appears the same to everybody: He wants to appear classy. That's obvious, he wouldn't bother wearing a suit otherwise. Any other appearance (the rabbit, the penguin,...) is less classy and therefore unacceptable.

Serum, have you possibly been reading Simulacra and Simulation too much? Smile

Also there is no spoon...


Man, penguins are classy as hell.

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Beidah wrote:
kralyk wrote:
I think there is one logical reason why TO appears the same to everybody: He wants to appear classy. That's obvious, he wouldn't bother wearing a suit otherwise. Any other appearance (the rabbit, the penguin,...) is less classy and therefore unacceptable.

Serum, have you possibly been reading Simulacra and Simulation too much? Smile

Also there is no spoon...


Man, penguins are classy as hell.


They're like, formal and casual at the same time. It's like-- you know they're saying "I dress to impress, but I'm also here to party."

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Serum wrote:
kralyk wrote:
I think there is one logical reason why TO appears the same to everybody: He wants to appear classy. That's obvious, he wouldn't bother wearing a suit otherwise. Any other appearance (the rabbit, the penguin,...) is less classy and therefore unacceptable.

Serum, have you possibly been reading Simulacra and Simulation too much? Smile

Also there is no spoon...


I've never heard of that book, but I'm going to look it up, right now.

Furthermore, if the Operator wanted to look human, he'd look human. Instead he looks like an eight foot mannequin without a face at Nordstrom's big and tall suit department.


He might be trying to look human...

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 		Well, from what we have seen in this Entry he can modulate his "no-faceness" and look like he has facial features.
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Beidah wrote:
Well, in the older slender man stories, he was said to look differently to everyone. So, Serum's original theory isn't all to far out. That other stuff about mirrors and perception, though, was really just "philosophical" nonsense.


Yes, but as far as MH is concerned, as Zarggg points out, no one has made mention that they're perceiving TO significantly differently from each other -- of course, they don't talk about his appearance at all, so that's probably a huge part of that.

And Serum's philosophical talk about perception and reality and identity is certainly not "nonsense" -- it's part of a long-standing and time-honored discussion of what we can know and how we can know it. In the same way that Magritte painted the pipe and captioned it Ceci n'est pas une pipe. the image is not the thing.

But at some point, in order to be able to function in the world (regardless of how/if we perceive it), we have to be able to have areas of "common agreement" -- that if I say the word "dog" (which we know to be arbitrary -- there is nothing inherent in either those shapes or the sounds that they are commonly accepted to represent that carries an absolute meaning) that we can basically agree that I am referring (probably) to some form of mammalian, canine quadruped, and that such things (mostly) bark, pant, chase cats, etc. Of course, it's possible that I might be using "dog" in a metaphorical way, as in "Wow, that movie was a real dog," or that I might even have some sort of personal, private meaning of "dog" that means... I dunno... "unlabeled pill bottle." But if we can't have at least that area of common, accepted understanding, then all communication ceases to be possible, and human activity is crippled.

Which is my long-winded way of saying that we should probably accept that everyone in MH is seeing the same thing until we are specifically told otherwise, by the characters...

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Grumplestiltskin wrote:
Beidah wrote:
Well, in the older slender man stories, he was said to look differently to everyone. So, Serum's original theory isn't all to far out. That other stuff about mirrors and perception, though, was really just "philosophical" nonsense.


Yes, but as far as MH is concerned, as Zarggg points out, no one has made mention that they're perceiving TO significantly differently from each other -- of course, they don't talk about his appearance at all, so that's probably a huge part of that.

And Serum's philosophical talk about perception and reality and identity is certainly not "nonsense" -- it's part of a long-standing and time-honored discussion of what we can know and how we can know it. In the same way that Magritte painted the pipe and captioned it Ceci n'est pas une pipe. the image is not the thing.

But at some point, in order to be able to function in the world (regardless of how/if we perceive it), we have to be able to have areas of "common agreement" -- that if I say the word "dog" (which we know to be arbitrary -- there is nothing inherent in either those shapes or the sounds that they are commonly accepted to represent that carries an absolute meaning) that we can basically agree that I am referring (probably) to some form of mammalian, canine quadruped, and that such things (mostly) bark, pant, chase cats, etc. Of course, it's possible that I might be using "dog" in a metaphorical way, as in "Wow, that movie was a real dog," or that I might even have some sort of personal, private meaning of "dog" that means... I dunno... "unlabeled pill bottle." But if we can't have at least that area of common, accepted understanding, then all communication ceases to be possible, and human activity is crippled.

Which is my long-winded way of saying that we should probably accept that everyone in MH is seeing the same thing until we are specifically told otherwise, by the characters...


I've made the conscious decision just to assume what I know to be reality is in fact reality, unless proven otherwise, simply because it would be counterproductive to assume that my brain is lying to me about everything. I don't want to fight my brain, because it is me, and I will lose. Therefore, questioning reality just doesn't work for me. I literally can't know anything else.

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 		I think it's kinda obvious that Jay can't trust his brain (hallucinations, lost memories...).

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Beidah wrote:
I've made the conscious decision just to assume what I know to be reality is in fact reality, unless proven otherwise, simply because it would be counterproductive to assume that my brain is lying to me about everything. I don't want to fight my brain, because it is me, and I will lose. Therefore, questioning reality just doesn't work for me. I literally can't know anything else.


You should question everything, my friend. Not just in Marble Hornets, but everything. The answer is different for everyone, and I think know what the answer for me.

Also, I understand the Operator might be trying to look human, but can't fully adapt to our environment for reasons unknown. But if that were the case, he'd want to adapt in an urban environment where people wear suits and ties-- not in the forest, where people often go hiking in outdoorsy apparel. That's why it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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 		Before this turns into a philosophical debate and Zargg has to real us in, what happens if the answer to "Is this real?" is "no"? What then?

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