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Frost_King
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Well I was thinking of compiling my own theory's from all the seasons, twitters and anything related I can get my hands on. Rather than just season three. However I will look into it. I am not here to offend people or step on toes.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:15 pm
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Cioger
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Location: In the darkness before dawn... or something like that.

I feel like the more Tim and Jay get exposed to TO, the more odd attributes they get.

Jay is constantly seeing things, Tim can somewhat resist TO (unconfirmed), and Alex has turned into a psychopath.

For whatever reason, all this reminds me of the movie: Chronicle.

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Hazman
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Serum wrote:
Hazman wrote:
Serum wrote:

Also, I understand the Operator might be trying to look human, but can't fully adapt to our environment for reasons unknown. But if that were the case, he'd want to adapt in an urban environment where people wear suits and ties-- not in the forest, where people often go hiking in outdoorsy apparel. That's why it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


Well up until about the 50's everybody wore a suit as 'casual' attire as there was not as much range of clothes.


Not when they were dredging through the woods, they weren't. They probably wore overalls and boots and flannel shirts.


What I was getting at was, that The Operator appeared around the time when wearing a suit was an everyday attire and he/it chose that to blend in more. But as he is not human, he cannot change his 'human' appearance so is stuck wearing a suit rather than something more practical nowadays.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:29 pm
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Hazman wrote:
What I was getting at was, that The Operator appeared around the time when wearing a suit was an everyday attire and he/it chose that to blend in more. But as he is not human, he cannot change his 'human' appearance so is stuck wearing a suit rather than something more practical nowadays.


Okay, so let me get this straight: The Operator has mastered the ability to manipulate the space-time continuum, alter people's memories or even erase entire months (or more) of memory from a person's brain, teleport to wherever he desires without any effort and (possibly) control human minds-- but he can't change out of that suit?

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Hazman
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Serum wrote:
Hazman wrote:
What I was getting at was, that The Operator appeared around the time when wearing a suit was an everyday attire and he/it chose that to blend in more. But as he is not human, he cannot change his 'human' appearance so is stuck wearing a suit rather than something more practical nowadays.


Okay, so let me get this straight: The Operator has mastered the ability to manipulate the space-time continuum, alter people's memories or even erase entire months (or more) of memory from a person's brain, teleport to wherever he desires without any effort and (possibly) control human minds-- but he can't change out of that suit?


Yeah, every great villain has to have a great flaw. What if he sacrificed the ability to change his clothes for all the other great powers he possesses? That's a small sacrifice.

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Hazman wrote:
Serum wrote:
Hazman wrote:
What I was getting at was, that The Operator appeared around the time when wearing a suit was an everyday attire and he/it chose that to blend in more. But as he is not human, he cannot change his 'human' appearance so is stuck wearing a suit rather than something more practical nowadays.


Okay, so let me get this straight: The Operator has mastered the ability to manipulate the space-time continuum, alter people's memories or even erase entire months (or more) of memory from a person's brain, teleport to wherever he desires without any effort and (possibly) control human minds-- but he can't change out of that suit?


Yeah, every great villain has to have a great flaw. What if he sacrificed the ability to change his clothes for all the other great powers he possesses? That's a small sacrifice.

Maybe it's just a really NICE suit -- and let's face it, when you're built like The Operator you can't just buy off the rack. Tailoring that suit must have cost a fortune.

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Hazman
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You know, it's 100% merino wool suit. This is kinda getting off topic now. So I'll leave it at this

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Cioger wrote:
I feel like the more Tim and Jay get exposed to TO, the more odd attributes they get.

Jay is constantly seeing things, Tim can somewhat resist TO (unconfirmed), and Alex has turned into a psychopath.

For whatever reason, all this reminds me of the movie: Chronicle.


God I love that movie.
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Serum wrote:
Hazman wrote:
What I was getting at was, that The Operator appeared around the time when wearing a suit was an everyday attire and he/it chose that to blend in more. But as he is not human, he cannot change his 'human' appearance so is stuck wearing a suit rather than something more practical nowadays.


Okay, so let me get this straight: The Operator has mastered the ability to manipulate the space-time continuum, alter people's memories or even erase entire months (or more) of memory from a person's brain, teleport to wherever he desires without any effort and (possibly) control human minds-- but he can't change out of that suit?


You're assuming TO wants to change out of the suit.

Frost_King wrote:
Hey, I am a tad bit new, and I kinda skimmed over what I could, forty something pages is alot to sit through so do forgive me.

Has anyone considered that the newish Operator isn't the Operator? Due to the facial features and where it appeared (Alex's old house/apartment) that the 'Operator' featured in entry 72 is Alex himself? According to Jay's twitter he had a dream where Alex was undergoing a change and screaming at him. Some of the frames do show two operators standing side by side (Though it may be a glitch or feedback.)

Maybe Alex was ment to be more than a proxy, maybe a host of sorts?


This reminds me of Windigo.

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Frost_King wrote:
Hey, I am a tad bit new, and I kinda skimmed over what I could, forty something pages is alot to sit through so do forgive me.

Has anyone considered that the newish Operator isn't the Operator? Due to the facial features and where it appeared (Alex's old house/apartment) that the 'Operator' featured in entry 72 is Alex himself? According to Jay's twitter he had a dream where Alex was undergoing a change and screaming at him. Some of the frames do show two operators standing side by side (Though it may be a glitch or feedback.)

Maybe Alex was ment to be more than a proxy, maybe a host of sorts?

While I'm intrigued by the idea that Alex is getting increasingly claimed by TO and will become either a host or a second Operator of sorts, I think that we have thus far only ever seen the one TO. I think if they introduced a second one that was Alex, they'd probably make it more visually distinct from the main one- for instance, probably wearing some of Alex's clothes rather than a suit.

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Well my main reason for Alex being a second Operator theory is mainly, the other Proxy's, Hoody and Maskie, do NOT like Alex. If he was a simple proxy they would probably be more accepting of him, but they have tried more than once to try and kill Alex, and he is always saved by The Operator.

From my understanding the Proxy personality is a second personality entirely, assumed to be brought on by exposure to The Operator and a side effect of Slender Sickness, the two main proxies dress up and cover their face while they are under the influence. Alex does not, he has always been Alex and has made no effort to hide his identity. It is like the Proxy's in my opinion are like cultist, or high priest, they don ceremonial clothing and masks to perform rites, or they put on their 'real face' to remove inhibitions.

Also when Alex broke Masky/Tim's leg, The Operator made no effort to come to the rescue of the proxy, although it may have been the Operator knew they wouldn't kill him, but that is a slim chance. However when Hoody and Masky attempted to kill Alex outside his apartment assumingly The operator showed up to stop them, Hoody points a gun at Alex and The Operator shows up. Why would The Operator stop his proxy's in such a manner? How much free will do the proxy personality's have? Why do they seem to work both for and against the Operator at the same time? They have shown a pack mentality, Hoody more than once helping Masky and working with him, but in turn helping Jay fight Alex and turn him against Tim to some degree.

So Alex is important to the Operator, beyond the simple Proxy status, so why would Alex be important? The Operator has shown to clean up after Alex, as shown after the killing of 'Bruce' in the tunnel. Although it could have been accepted as a sacrifice of sorts (to the Operator at least). Plus during the shooting of Marble Hornets Alex did offer up the other cast members to The Operator, possibly as a sacrifice. Even Alex said they were 'gone'. Of course The Operator could have been taking their memory as an offering, as Jay didn't seem to remember the beat down he received from Alex, and was also seemingly exposed to the Operator.

Furthermore tunnels are often associated with rebirth. Has anyone ever noticed they could never make it to the other end of the Tunnel itself? No one has been to the other side. Alex turned away, Jay and Tim were assaulted, Tim himself was dragged into another alternate universe while attempting to get to the other side of the tunnel.

I would like to also point out, that during the 'Time warping' of the house, when they first arrived Tim looked into the basement and said "Its dark down there", or something like that. The basement quite clearly had windows, so it was already night in the basement when they arrived at the house, and walking into it changed their perspective of time because the basement was already at a different time. Rather than the sudden shift theory when they entered the basement later.

TheJoker wrote:

While I'm intrigued by the idea that Alex is getting increasingly claimed by TO and will become either a host or a second Operator of sorts, I think that we have thus far only ever seen the one TO. I think if they introduced a second one that was Alex, they'd probably make it more visually distinct from the main one- for instance, probably wearing some of Alex's clothes rather than a suit.


Well there was a visual difference (Although it could be chalked up to using an HD camera as pointed out earlier) but the fact this Operator seemed to have highlighted human facial features. I mean I can speculate on how the Operator..... operates all day long but until something is spelled out I can only guess. Assuming that it is something from a parallel dimension it is projecting itself into our world, which causes the sickness, video distortion, memory loss. I am assuming its clothes are not clothes but a part of its body as well, a projection of 'high class' humanity. But again, speculation. I am just saying from my perspective there was a visual difference in The Operators facial features that wasn't present before. Also like I said given where he appeared (Alex's house/Apartment) I am inclined to believe that it is Alex undergoing a transformation of sorts.

With that being said I know the Operator can appear where he so desires (Although I assume it has a preference for wooded or abandoned areas.) I find it odd that it would take an interest in protecting Alex's old house rather than Alex himself, of course it has full capability to appear where it damn well pleases, Alex himself would have a much more vested interest in protecting his old home from snoops or Jay or Tim. Or, in my Theory anyway.

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Course after typing this I realized one of two things, and I would like to share with the class. As I said Alex is not a normal proxy, and while The Operator does seem keen on protecting Alex, I doubt it would have an interest in protecting Alex's stuff.

So I came to a second conclusion on the opposite end of The Operator Host Theory, while I don't subscribe to this new idea, we don't learn unless we look at all angels and possibility. What if Alex is controlling the Operator? I mean playing with that kind of power would be interesting, and a lot of people have shown throughout history when given power most abuse it. The Operator does seem to respond to Alex's 'Emotional needs' so to speak, like when Alex caught Jay in his apartment in season two, Alex was angry, and The Operator appeared. Alex somehow knew Jay and Tim were at his old house, he sent the Operator to protect it.

It is an interesting Theory but I prefer to think Alex is a host, or something more/important to the Operator, due to the fact of Jay's tweet of his odd dream which suggest foreshadowing to me. Plus I honestly can't begin to think how Alex would survive a mental break (in the Operators attempt to create a proxy within him) and use it to in turn control The Operator, I just don't see how something as ominous and 'powerful' as the Operator could be controlled.

While typing I was reminded of a scene from Season two during the fight between Alex and Jay in the parking lot. "I brought you out here to see if you could help me, tell me something I didn't already know." which could be implied as Alex is trying to resist the Operator, trying to find a way out. I am assuming of course.

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Supersox wrote:
Did anyone else notice that in Entry #50, Jay also heard something he didn't see? Now maybe it was Masky following Alex and Jay, but maybe not.

Yeah. He's descending into madness.

Serum wrote:

Seriously, though, the Operator is not from this world-- it's painfully obvious he's a demon or some sort of culmination of negative human emotions. Like many have said, he's an abomination. I'm not saying he's the Devil, the Christian Devil or any other faith's particular Devil, but he is obviously a servant to a very dark and terrible power that is watching humanity very closely.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Zalgo.

TO is Blick Winkel.

Serum wrote:

Not when they were dredging through the woods, they weren't. They probably wore overalls and boots and flannel shirts.

He needed to look nice for his execution bro

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Frost_King wrote:
According to Jay's twitter he had a dream where Alex was undergoing a change and screaming at him.

That's not what he said?
He said that Alex had no eyes and was screaming at him.
Not sure where you're getting the "Transformation" part from.

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Frost_King
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Bernie Buddy wrote:
Frost_King wrote:
According to Jay's twitter he had a dream where Alex was undergoing a change and screaming at him.

That's not what he said?
He said that Alex had no eyes and was screaming at him.
Not sure where you're getting the "Transformation" part from.


Poor choice of words on my behalf. Sorry. But it does indicate a change is occurring. From that I used the word Transformation. I mean if I woke up and my friend had no eyes and was screaming in weird voices at me I would assume he had changed, transformed even, something was different about them.

A mistake on my behalf, the twitter in no literal way said that there was a change or transformation in the dream. I am assuming there is from the way it was worded. Also given the Entry 72 Operator had eye sockets but 'had no eyes' seems to support my theory.

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Frost_King wrote:
Well my main reason for Alex being a second Operator theory is mainly, the other Proxy's, Hoody and Maskie, do NOT like Alex.


It's a good theory, and I agree with it. But I was under the assumption that Hoody and Masky were not proxies. Going off of the idea that Alex is a proxy type, or a "host", then why would they try and kill Alex in the first place if they were proxies?

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