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paladin181
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 		My opinion is that TTA wants control over TO and Alex is an obstacle in that, either because he already has control or because his presence somehow keeps TTA from taking control. Tim in his Masked state is easily manipulated by Hoodie-wearing person; Tim seems to attack anyone except the hoodie-wearing person when in his masked state (Jay and Alex both). TTAis manipulating this using them to take out Alex so that (s)he can gain control of TO.

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 		Now that's an excellent idea!

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I understand the Operator might be trying to look human, but can't fully adapt to our environment for reasons unknown. But if that were the case, he'd want to adapt in an urban environment where people wear suits and ties-- not in the forest, where people often go hiking in outdoorsy apparel. That's why it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


Beings like the Operator (and Slender Man) follow the logic of dreams. It has to work symbolically. The formal suit and tie symbolize power in our society, just as the crown and scepter did in centuries past. Also, the Operator/Slender Man is closely associated with cameras. Think about how much surveillance we're subject to nowadays. Everywhere we go, there seem to be cameras pointed at us. And who do we suspect is behind these cameras? "Faceless bureaucrats"...wearing suits.

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Frost_King's brilliant analysis here


After repeated viewings of entry #14, I wonder if what really happened is that the Operator drilled a small hole in Alex's skull and inserted...something. Some piece of Itself that would grow and remake Alex in Its image. Maybe the Operator's real goal is to reproduce!

How's thatfor nightmare fuel?

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Vincent wrote:
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Well my main reason for Alex being a second Operator theory is mainly, the other Proxy's, Hoody and Maskie, do NOT like Alex.


It's a good theory, and I agree with it. But I was under the assumption that Hoody and Masky were not proxies. Going off of the idea that Alex is a proxy type, or a "host", then why would they try and kill Alex in the first place if they were proxies?


Well I have a few ideas on it. It could be a form of sibling rivalry to a degree, fighting for hierarchy when Alex was chosen, they could be mentally enslaved to the operator and are still trying in some form or fashion to free themselves. There is alot of what ifs to it.

My theory on Proxy creation ties into human psyche a little:
You see in some cases to cope with stress, abuse or severe trauma of one sort or another a human will sometimes under go Dissociative Identity Disorder (Or DID for short.) It is a coping mechanism to hide the primary personality, to shield them from the trauma/stress/source of the fracture, this is slightly different from the pre-existing schizophrenia where it is a genetic and inharated condition, DID is more of a coping mechanism.

Exposure to The Operator and possible Reality Distortion/Slender Sickness seems to be a highly traumatic experience and gets progressively worse with exposure. The Proxy like personality of Hoody and Masky could be simple coping mechanisms, ways to shield the primary personality. They seem to still be under the control of the Operator by some degree, but still possess their own free will, to some degree as well, leading to them wanting to destroy and get rid of what is controlling them and harming their primary personality.

Given their attempts to harm Alex (The assumed host by my Theory) and the Operator coming to save Alex when he is duress or highly emotional, and not coming to the other known proxies rescue (Hoody/Masky) seems to give credence to my personal theory's.

(On a side note I am not a doctor and am not saying this is medically accurate, I could be wrong, I just know some on the issues of it and alot about random useless trivia and facts. So please do not crucify me if I am wrong.)

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paladin181 wrote:
My opinion is that TTA wants control over TO and Alex is an obstacle in that, either because he already has control or because his presence somehow keeps TTA from taking control. Tim in his Masked state is easily manipulated by Hoodie-wearing person; Tim seems to attack anyone except the hoodie-wearing person when in his masked state (Jay and Alex both). TTAis manipulating this using them to take out Alex so that (s)he can gain control of TO.


How would Hoody gain control of TO? Not to mention that TO is pulling the strings on Alex because of Entry #43 where TO mind-rapes Alex and puts him under control again.

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thisistheend wrote:
paladin181 wrote:
My opinion is that TTA wants control over TO and Alex is an obstacle in that, either because he already has control or because his presence somehow keeps TTA from taking control. Tim in his Masked state is easily manipulated by Hoodie-wearing person; Tim seems to attack anyone except the hoodie-wearing person when in his masked state (Jay and Alex both). TTAis manipulating this using them to take out Alex so that (s)he can gain control of TO.


How would Hoody gain control of TO? Not to mention that TO is pulling the strings on Alex because of Entry #43 where TO mind-rapes Alex and puts him under control again.
If we knew how he was to take control, then that would ruin some of the suspense. How did Alex get control to begin with? I'm not convinced that 43 shows what you think it does, either. It dhows him submitting to Slender sickness the same as Jay and Tim. That doesn't indicate in anyway to me that it "mind-rapes Alex and puts him under control again."

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Well my main reason for Alex being a second Operator theory is mainly, the other Proxy's, Hoody and Maskie, do NOT like Alex. If he was a simple proxy they would probably be more accepting of him, but they have tried more than once to try and kill Alex, and he is always saved by The Operator.

From my understanding the Proxy personality is a second personality entirely, assumed to be brought on by exposure to The Operator and a side effect of Slender Sickness, the two main proxies dress up and cover their face while they are under the influence. Alex does not, he has always been Alex and has made no effort to hide his identity. It is like the Proxy's in my opinion are like cultist, or high priest, they don ceremonial clothing and masks to perform rites, or they put on their 'real face' to remove inhibitions.

Problem here- you're assuming elements from other parts of the Slender Man Mythos are in play such as proxies. Proxies in MH don't work at all like they do in other series, and there's little evidence to support that Masky and Hoody are proxies at all while there's more to suggest the contrary. Alex could be a "proxy" of sorts for TO, but he's not necessarily the sort of Proxy you describe.

And I've never been too keen on the idea that TO can be controlled at all, at least not by Alex. The idea that TTA wishes to control it is slightly more plausible, but everything we've seen seems to me to suggest Alex is at best in a mutually beneficial agreement with TO, with no real power over it. Yes, 43 is somewhat ambiguous, but Alex's behavior in general is not that of someone in control, especially not in Entry 70.

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Problem here- you're assuming elements from other parts of the Slender Man Mythos are in play such as proxies. Proxies in MH don't work at all like they do in other series, and there's little evidence to support that Masky and Hoody are proxies at all while there's more to suggest the contrary. Alex could be a "proxy" of sorts for TO, but he's not necessarily the sort of Proxy you describe.

And I've never been too keen on the idea that TO can be controlled at all, at least not by Alex. The idea that TTA wishes to control it is slightly more plausible, but everything we've seen seems to me to suggest Alex is at best in a mutually beneficial agreement with TO, with no real power over it. Yes, 43 is somewhat ambiguous, but Alex's behavior in general is not that of someone in control, especially not in Entry 70.


Well I was just offering other theory's to my own, I don't subscribe to them, but maybe someone can run with it in directions I didn't think of, when you focus on one thing you get locked into that mindset. I prefer to see one thing and go "Ok what could be the opposite of that" or "Whats at the other end." And since we all come here to speculate I offer the ideas in hopes that maybe someone can refine my ideas or spark something that helps someone else.

Would you believe me if I said I never saw any of the other Series like Marble Hornets? I mean I read up on some of the Slender Mythos sure, but I am trying to work within Marble Hornets lore. Other people on the board have used the term Proxy in general to describe people working with or around The Operator, or who dress up in masks and go crazy. I am using it to describe that rather than "Mr. Crazy Man A, and Mr. Crazy Man B" It just seems simpler to use Proxy as a blanket statement. [I think OOG that Troy has used the term Proxy during one of the convention panels, do not hold me to it I could be wrong.] I am just using terms that I've seen everywhere else and applying it to this. I am sorry if it came across as I was trying to link everything in the Slender Mythos together. I am trying to contain this to Marble Hornets and that alone. I apologize if it came off any other way.

[Also OOG, could someone be so kind as to inform me how to do the spoiler bar? I would like to confine OOG talk to that to help clear confusion. Thank You.]

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Frost_King wrote:
TheJoker wrote:

Problem here- you're assuming elements from other parts of the Slender Man Mythos are in play such as proxies. Proxies in MH don't work at all like they do in other series, and there's little evidence to support that Masky and Hoody are proxies at all while there's more to suggest the contrary. Alex could be a "proxy" of sorts for TO, but he's not necessarily the sort of Proxy you describe.

And I've never been too keen on the idea that TO can be controlled at all, at least not by Alex. The idea that TTA wishes to control it is slightly more plausible, but everything we've seen seems to me to suggest Alex is at best in a mutually beneficial agreement with TO, with no real power over it. Yes, 43 is somewhat ambiguous, but Alex's behavior in general is not that of someone in control, especially not in Entry 70.


Well I was just offering other theory's to my own, I don't subscribe to them, but maybe someone can run with it in directions I didn't think of, when you focus on one thing you get locked into that mindset. I prefer to see one thing and go "Ok what could be the opposite of that" or "Whats at the other end." And since we all come here to speculate I offer the ideas in hopes that maybe someone can refine my ideas or spark something that helps someone else.

Would you believe me if I said I never saw any of the other Series like Marble Hornets? I mean I read up on some of the Slender Mythos sure, but I am trying to work within Marble Hornets lore. Other people on the board have used the term Proxy in general to describe people working with or around The Operator, or who dress up in masks and go crazy. I am using it to describe that rather than "Mr. Crazy Man A, and Mr. Crazy Man B" It just seems simpler to use Proxy as a blanket statement. [I think OOG that Troy has used the term Proxy during one of the convention panels, do not hold me to it I could be wrong.] I am just using terms that I've seen everywhere else and applying it to this. I am sorry if it came across as I was trying to link everything in the Slender Mythos together. I am trying to contain this to Marble Hornets and that alone. I apologize if it came off any other way.

[Also OOG, could someone be so kind as to inform me how to do the spoiler bar? I would like to confine OOG talk to that to help clear confusion. Thank You.]

Yeah, hope I didn't come off as rude. The whole proxy concept is frequently misused in regards to MH (the only one I actively watch as well, but I've seen bits and pieces of a few others) and is, as far as I know, more derived from an earlier point in the series when people assumed Masky to be working with TO. But by now we have strong reason to assume Masky and Hoody actually are working against TO.

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 		Oh no no no, you didn't come off as rude at all, I was just better explaining myself. I mean for like when they have bouts of 'slender sickness' the symptoms are the same and tend to get progressively worse. And Slender Sickness seems the general consensus of the term used to describe it, so I do as well rather than rattle off the symptoms and call it Operator Madness or something like that. I am just trying to better explain myself.

I just use general terminology because there is nothing better to describe it. When I say "Slender Sickness" Most people know what I'm talking about even though it is The Operator and what not. Myhos terminology seems to make things go smoother.
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As for Proxies, Both Hoody and Masky seem to work against Jay as much as they help him as well, their motives are not clear, and they also seem to both Help and Hinder The Operator. I was just putting forth that Slender Sickness also causes a 'Proxy' to develop from a form of DID, to escape the trauma of The Operator and his effects on a person, the Operator can then extend a measure of control through the sickness that it has caused in people. They both seem to fear and revere The Operator as seen in earlier entry's.

Also on an unrelated note, people tend to forget Tim also sees things that aren't there. Like in Entry... I forgot, but the one where he took a trip into the alternate universe where 'Bruce's' body was, he went to the hospital and had a breakdown, and curled up in the corner and started pointing at the wall going "It's there! Can't you see it? It's right there!"

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 		I still don't get the whole proxy idea

We have enough proof that Alex was acting on his own every time we've seen him. We know Tim and Jay have hallucinated, it's not impossible for alex to be hallucinating when he killed bruce. Even masky retains the ability to act on his own (entry 50, when he motions to jay to follow him through the tunnel, entry 45 when he attacks alex and leaves hoody be)

Show me some instances where there could have been a proxy and i'll change my mind, but I can't think of a single time that someone did something against their own will. Jay "sleepwalking" is not a good counter-argument, mainly because we don't know if jay actually did that on his own accord since he lost his memory afterwards.

I still just think that Tim and Hoody's masks are a sort of psychological counter to their trauma. Either that or they wear them so that the operator can't see their faces. That also means they don't talk so the operator can't hear them. This would make tracking them down harder.

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 		I apologize if anybody has already expressed this theory - but I simply don't have the time to catch up on 48 pages of text. Sure, I got pretty far in and am aware of quite a lot of theories and fully back a couple, but I just wanted to throw this out there (assuming nobody else has).

What if the 'bargain' everyone was saying that Tim possibly made with TO was actually to spare Jay? What if he was sacrificing himself to TO, or his sanity, or something, to protect Jay?

I know it's already been acknowledged that it appears Tim was treating Jay more like a friend in this entry, maybe he cares about him enough to protect him from TO in any way possible?

I'm just throwing it out there, right now I'm willing to believe anything and everything, not purely this theory.

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EvilFweeb wrote:
I apologize if anybody has already expressed this theory - but I simply don't have the time to catch up on 48 pages of text. Sure, I got pretty far in and am aware of quite a lot of theories and fully back a couple, but I just wanted to throw this out there (assuming nobody else has).

What if the 'bargain' everyone was saying that Tim possibly made with TO was actually to spare Jay? What if he was sacrificing himself to TO, or his sanity, or something, to protect Jay?

I know it's already been acknowledged that it appears Tim was treating Jay more like a friend in this entry, maybe he cares about him enough to protect him from TO in any way possible?

I'm just throwing it out there, right now I'm willing to believe anything and everything, not purely this theory.



I still think it's a pretty far fetched theory, it looked to me like Tim just kept getting up to show that he wasn't going to be defeated so easily this time, and that his medicine could prevent the operator from affecting him anymore. His lack of staying down is what keeps me from believing this. If he was begging he'd be on his knees, not trying to get back up a second time. When he initially stands up against the operator, his fist is clenched as if he's angry, but powerless. The operator also doesn't strike me as a being that needs to be bargained with, if he wanted tim's sanity he'd take it, he wouldn't need to give something back in return.

I guess I'm really against it because I don't like the idea of someone communicating to the operator, and him understanding what they're saying and reacting to it. I think it's way creepier if he just acts on instinct, like an animal who doesn't understand the human language would.

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 		I think it's very clear at this point that whatever they need to find (since they have no leads) is at the other end of the tunnel. The one time Jay made it over his camera blanked and he had an extremely worried/depressed look on his face. The other time they tried to cross the operator intervened after Alex warned them.

It almost makes me wonder if anyone has ever crossed that tunnel. Maybe Alex killed bruce because he actually did get too close to the tunnel entrance. He did keep whispering "stop following me" as he was walking there, and maybe he thought the person following him (who was actually jay) was bruce.

Whatever's on the other end, Alex was watching over it two times now to make sure nobody got past. He waited in that tunnel entrance for a while until bruce came along, killed him, then immediately left.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
I think it's very clear at this point that whatever they need to find (since they have no leads) is at the other end of the tunnel. The one time Jay made it over his camera blanked and he had an extremely worried/depressed look on his face. The other time they tried to cross the operator intervened after Alex warned them.

It almost makes me wonder if anyone has ever crossed that tunnel. Maybe Alex killed bruce because he actually did get too close to the tunnel entrance. He did keep whispering "stop following me" as he was walking there, and maybe he thought the person following him (who was actually jay) was bruce.

Whatever's on the other end, Alex was watching over it two times now to make sure nobody got past. He waited in that tunnel entrance for a while until bruce came along, killed him, then immediately left.


Just having rewatched Entry 50, Masky leads Jay to the tunnel and looks like he goes through it expecting Jay to follow him. But I don't think they will be heading back to Rosswood park any time soon as they just left there to head back to College town. I think they are going to stay around there for a bit.

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