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[Lithp]

The infamous zoom tone can be heard in the most recent Keratin Garden video. Thought that was funny.

[Clairabel]

Ah! I noticed that too.

[UsernameAlreadyTaken]

Want updates, not enough updates aaargh. Well at least the off-topic threat seems to have come back from the dead... Is someone going to post a slashfic? Can I post one, or any fic (even though I suck at writing) if I want?

REGARDS,

[lachesis]

[Tharol]

Interests this now is people wanting EMH/KG like fanfiction sometime.

[lachesis]

[Tharol]

There been some incidental shipping blame speculation on.

[Lithp]

Continuing an argument about the EMH/TT crossover video thing that I was perpetrating on the main EMH thread:

Yeah, that's sort of my problem. You guys keep blaming everyone else, but that is the intellectual equivalent of sticking your head in the sand & claiming to be invisible.

If that was a person flailing his arms, I'd say I probably upset him. This is a natural, intuitive emotional inference. It is not up to me to suspend that, it is up to the film maker to take it into account in the first place.

A lot of people will tell you that it spoiled the tone, because it is generally agreed that including acts of defiance, especially effective ones, spoils the horror.

If you want to claim that they were attempting to surprise the audience, that's fine, but that in & of itself does not mean that it worked. That's why it's called a "calculated risk."

I hear your arguments that it was to show Firebrand's character, but counter that this is also context dependent. HABIT is a source of macabre comic relief in EMH, but he never cracks his jokes when he's killing someone, or when he's giving a speech. This is not because HE respects the moment, but because Evan & co. know that if they make the audience laugh, they're going to spoil the mood that they're working to establish.

[RandomH-bomb]

TT creator Adam Rosner's response to the people annoyed by the "flipping off Slendy" scene:

"I knew it would cause some controversy, as it should. It was a risky scene but it was one of the few mental images that I was able to accurately capture on film, exactly how it occurred in my head.

Plus, it was fucking cool.

To me, the gesture completely works. Firebrand, being some form of future Noah, still imbibes traces of his bombastic qualities. Those who say that Slender Man is made less scary by the fact that he didn't attack are too affixed to the standard formula, which has become monotonous and bland with age. There is a good blatant reason for it as well as presenting the viewer with something unexpected and different. The dialogue in DEUS EX MACHINA confirms that the journal possesses qualities that makes Firebrand invulnerable, with HABIT's additional assistance, so it works canonically. If anything, it should raise even more questions - making Slendy more mysterious and unpredictable, hence adding to fear of the unknown. As I have discussed with many, I believe a limitless Slender Man, albeit scary, is quite boring in the long run. Without hindrances, he is basically an unstoppable being with no depth other than being an unknown force - and with so much plot thrown into the mix to keep things engaging, there needs to be a bit of reason to tie everything together nicely without copping out. Without this depth and complexity, a series could be no deeper than running through a forest, finding pages before an inevitable jump scare. Having a series like this for 3+ years really makes you think very hard about things, and as a series director, I think about Slender Man more than the average fan because us creators must tend to our own universes. It makes all of us creators think - what else can we do? How can we break the mold, how can we come up with something interesting within the bounds of canon that will intrigue fans, what can we dish out that's fresh and exciting and novel that works? Believe me, the decision for such an idea wasn't an easy one, it took months and years of delicate planning with multiple people to realize. Some fans may be speculative towards the direction we're hoping to bring our series, but you need to trust us. If you've stuck with us for this long, you know that we are good storytellers and we know exactly what we're doing.

And you're gonna love it."

[AdamRPendleton]

Hmm. . . I'm trying my best to see your point of view on this but it's kind of tough. I do get what you are saying but it just seems to have a biased and/or argumentative for argumentative sake tone.

1. To say it doesn't fit the tone while admitting you haven't paid that much attention to Tribe Twelve seems that you are categorizing all "Slenderman series" in the same boat of "horror/mystery" and that they cannot stray from those categories too far. I've always gotten that Tribe Twelve is a bit more of an experimental "Slendy series" that in one video could be pure horror, while in the next can be a light hearted fun one that never takes itself too seriously. How can you have a serious opinion about the tone without seeing the series as a whole? Now, perhaps I misread what you said and you have seen them all just don't care for it that much, which would make my last point null and void.

2. Who says horror can't be funny? Or, a funny moment in the middle of a scene can't make it scarier or at least give you that uncomfortable feeling? Dark Knight has a perfect example of this with the Joker/pen in the eye trick scene. The joke within that scene and the way Joker didn't make a big deal of it made it seem extra gruesome then I'd imagine just sticking someone in the eye with a pen. Whether the flipping off Slendy scene delivered or failed on this is debatable, but to act like there is an actual rule that must be followed seems to be, again, biased and constricting the creative process that I imagine film making should be all about.

3. Let's say the first season of Tribe Twelve was strictly horror. Can a series not change themes coming into it's second season? Must the creators work strictly with horror and if they want to change tones need to start a whole new series up?

4. Lastly, I saw someone say something along the lines of the collective videos (and in my eyes other side videos of other series such as TTA) he/she always viewed them as coming straight from their eyes, not a camera. I agree with this. Maybe, in some way Firebrand can upload not only what he sees, but also what he imagines in order to make the videos "say" exactly what he's trying to get them to say. I just have a feeling this whole "flipping off Slendy" scene never actually happened. It's just Firebrand's thoughts of what he'd like to do.

Plus, if the series is meant to be taken seriously and that this is really happening, then it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to argue about tone because real life doesn't have a steady "tone". One day it can be generally funny and the next horribly depressing. Wouldn't that make it seem more "realistic"? Note, I'm not a Tribe Twelve fan boy. It's a close toss up between EMH and TT but I have been steering lately more towards TT as my favorite. That being said, each series has it's faults. I think EMH has the worst acting of them all mostly do to Evan/Havok, basically the main character, but I try to ignore these slight issues because to me they seem to detract from the realistic nature I should be perceiving them as intended by the creators. If you watch these series to much from the film making standards/process then you start to not see it as real life anymore.

Sorry for how long this all was. I didn't have anything better to do. I understand if non of this gets read. Love, Adam.

[Lithp]

[The Slender Man]

I was not aware HABIT sang.

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[Carnahan]

[lachesis]