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What made the operator go after Alex in the first place
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SilentMedusa
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We don't know that Tim was stalked by The Operator as a child. He said himself that he couldn't actually remember his hallucinations; we all just assumed. It could've been a deliberate Red Herring. Or Tim could be lying, but since he went on to blame himself explicitly that doesn't make any sense.

As for why TO was after Alex -and why it seems to've stopped targeting him- I don't think we can answer that without knowing what The Operator IS in the first place.

Now, as for whether Alex himself was stalked, I just don't know. The only "proof" we have of it came from a pretty shady source, IMO.

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What if the footage in enttry #37 was tampered with and it was really a young Tim's birthday party?

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Marble Hornets wrote:
ScorpiusPro13 wrote:
It is suggested in "enttry 37" that TO has been around Alex since he was a child, but suggested by Entry 9, his attitude begins changing around his crew. Perhaps TO had his eye on Alex since childhood but began to physically appear before him in adulthood, like an imaginary friend from hell.

Then again there's the possibility that "enttry 37" may just be a scare tactic by TTA, though the date April 4th appears both in that entry and Entry 26 when it attacks Alex and Amy.


Given the fact that Alex was fine (according to his friends) up until the filming of Marble Hornets, it's safe to assume that the former is completely false.



Or he was severly traumutised as a child and suppressed his own memories to surrive and went on to live a relativily normal life until The Operator showed up again.

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I don't think we can discount Enttry 37. Yes, it could have been faked, but it could also be relevant.
He most likely was attracted to Alex because Alex was using cameras for filming and picked him up. It's also implied the only reason alex was able to find out about the operator was because of his filming.

They pretty much spelled it out that Tim was the reason the operator is around. If it turns out that's false, than about 1/3 of season 3 was a red herring


...and what's a good mystery without a couple of good red herrings? But seriously, it's possible that The Operator was intrested in other children and not just Tim. Perhaps, Alex was more sucesptible to his influence then Tim was? Perhaps The Operator needed a human agent to act on this plane and Alex was far more susceptible then Tim was (or Tim was his first choice, but The Operator was unaware of the limits of the human mind and his contact deeply affected Tim's mind)

In saying that, I just had a creepy idea: it's enterily possible that Alex has been acting as The Operator's agent his entire life and only became aware of it during the Marble Hornets (perhaps The Operator really needed him for something or needed him with all his faculties avaliable) or alternativily, planted the connection between himself/itself and Alex as a child, but had to wait until he was an adult for it come to fruition. Marble Hornets, the hackeyened, was actually a way of Alex unconciously trying to make sense of his own guilt for his actions in the past.

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It's possible but ENTIRELY too coincidental. The operator can't be stalking THAT many kids given the population of the world, and the fact that he would stalk Alex and Tim separately, then one day have them end up doing a movie together not knowing each other, is pretty damn coincidental. If there truly were that many kids in the Alabama area with the same symptoms, local doctors would put two and two together and figure out that Tim wasn't bullshitting all of his "hallucinations" and that he belongs in protective care, not a mental hospital.

But yeah, if we're going on the theory that the operator stalks maybe 5 kids and some of those 5 just so happen to meet each other later in life and become heavily involved in each other's lives, that's some Lost-type coincidence

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Marble Hornets wrote:
It's possible but ENTIRELY too coincidental. The operator can't be stalking THAT many kids given the population of the world, and the fact that he would stalk Alex and Tim separately, then one day have them end up doing a movie together not knowing each other, is pretty damn coincidental. If there truly were that many kids in the Alabama area with the same symptoms, local doctors would put two and two together and figure out that Tim wasn't bullshitting all of his "hallucinations" and that he belongs in protective care, not a mental hospital.

But yeah, if we're going on the theory that the operator stalks maybe 5 kids and some of those 5 just so happen to meet each other later in life and become heavily involved in each other's lives, that's some Lost-type coincidence


Well, to be fair, we really don't know The Operator's MO in Marble Hornets - whose to say that he went after a lot of children in the Marble Hornets 'verse and that there wasn't something particularly special about Tim and Alex that drew him to them as children? If he wanted to have someone act on his behalf in our releam, it'd make a lot more sense to have more then one agent to operate in our releam.

And whose to say it is a concidience that Tim and Alex ended up at the same university? We know that Alex isn't *ahem* exactly a talented filmmaker and yet he had an enmorous passion for film? What if it wasn't just Alex's self-delusion, but The Operator's subconcious influence which drew him to attend the university that Tim just happened to be at?


The Operator may have needed, as I said before, to wait for Tim and Alex's connection to him to grow stronger ever since their childhood encounters before he could take control of them and may not have reliased what his contact with Tim had done to Tim's mind and expected him to be a functioning agent or alternativily, wanted to elimanite Tim as being the only individual who could warn people of his presence.

....and I'm betting that Troseph's brilliance will outshine any of my theories Smile

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I think he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Jordan wrote:
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It's possible but ENTIRELY too coincidental. The operator can't be stalking THAT many kids given the population of the world, and the fact that he would stalk Alex and Tim separately, then one day have them end up doing a movie together not knowing each other, is pretty damn coincidental. If there truly were that many kids in the Alabama area with the same symptoms, local doctors would put two and two together and figure out that Tim wasn't bullshitting all of his "hallucinations" and that he belongs in protective care, not a mental hospital.

But yeah, if we're going on the theory that the operator stalks maybe 5 kids and some of those 5 just so happen to meet each other later in life and become heavily involved in each other's lives, that's some Lost-type coincidence


Well, to be fair, we really don't know The Operator's MO in Marble Hornets - whose to say that he went after a lot of children in the Marble Hornets 'verse and that there wasn't something particularly special about Tim and Alex that drew him to them as children? If he wanted to have someone act on his behalf in our releam, it'd make a lot more sense to have more then one agent to operate in our releam.

And whose to say it is a concidience that Tim and Alex ended up at the same university? We know that Alex isn't *ahem* exactly a talented filmmaker and yet he had an enmorous passion for film? What if it wasn't just Alex's self-delusion, but The Operator's subconcious influence which drew him to attend the university that Tim just happened to be at?


The Operator may have needed, as I said before, to wait for Tim and Alex's connection to him to grow stronger ever since their childhood encounters before he could take control of them and may not have reliased what his contact with Tim had done to Tim's mind and expected him to be a functioning agent or alternativily, wanted to elimanite Tim as being the only individual who could warn people of his presence.

....and I'm betting that Troseph's brilliance will outshine any of my theories Smile



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Marble Hornets wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
It's possible but ENTIRELY too coincidental. The operator can't be stalking THAT many kids given the population of the world, and the fact that he would stalk Alex and Tim separately, then one day have them end up doing a movie together not knowing each other, is pretty damn coincidental. If there truly were that many kids in the Alabama area with the same symptoms, local doctors would put two and two together and figure out that Tim wasn't bullshitting all of his "hallucinations" and that he belongs in protective care, not a mental hospital.

But yeah, if we're going on the theory that the operator stalks maybe 5 kids and some of those 5 just so happen to meet each other later in life and become heavily involved in each other's lives, that's some Lost-type coincidence


Well, to be fair, we really don't know The Operator's MO in Marble Hornets - whose to say that he went after a lot of children in the Marble Hornets 'verse and that there wasn't something particularly special about Tim and Alex that drew him to them as children? If he wanted to have someone act on his behalf in our releam, it'd make a lot more sense to have more then one agent to operate in our releam.

And whose to say it is a concidience that Tim and Alex ended up at the same university? We know that Alex isn't *ahem* exactly a talented filmmaker and yet he had an enmorous passion for film? What if it wasn't just Alex's self-delusion, but The Operator's subconcious influence which drew him to attend the university that Tim just happened to be at?


The Operator may have needed, as I said before, to wait for Tim and Alex's connection to him to grow stronger ever since their childhood encounters before he could take control of them and may not have reliased what his contact with Tim had done to Tim's mind and expected him to be a functioning agent or alternativily, wanted to elimanite Tim as being the only individual who could warn people of his presence.

....and I'm betting that Troseph's brilliance will outshine any of my theories Smile



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Sorry bro, but their never going to tell us that. I think it's safe to assume that TO stalked Tim and Alex met Tim while filming Marble Hornets. The operator stalked Alex while filming Marble Hornets.

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So after years away from the ARG community I came back and decided to check out MH. Two days, tons of vids and tweets and scanning of boards and bad sleep later (thank you TO dreams) I have an unusual idea about the start of Alex and TO.

I know this leaves out Tim to start, but bare with me a moment.

From the way it sounds to me: Alex, Jay, Brian and Sarah had known each other for a while. How long exactly isn't clear, but it's safe to assume more then a few months.

We also know that they all lived in the same town for school, and it's indicated early on that Alex and Jay may have grown up there. But what about the other two?

Could it be that all of this started when they we're children? Perhaps the four where childhood friends in this town, and like kids do, ran off into the woods for adventures. Could it be they found TO back then, but because of it's ability to manipulate memories they all forgot? That the reunion of those four and a fifth child that TO tormented (Tim) could have potentially summoned him?

I don't know if I've absorbed too much in too short of a time, but I seem to recall the first time TO is seen by them (in the episode in the park where Sarah had the camera cant remember it's number) weren't all four of the cast/crew but Jay there?

Again bare with me and I hope this makes sense.

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Tenshi Akui wrote:
So after years away from the ARG community I came back and decided to check out MH. Two days, tons of vids and tweets and scanning of boards and bad sleep later (thank you TO dreams) I have an unusual idea about the start of Alex and TO.


From the way it sounds to me: Alex, Jay, Brian and Sarah had known each other for a while. How long exactly isn't clear, but it's safe to assume more then a few months.

We also know that they all lived in the same town for school, and it's indicated early on that Alex and Jay may have grown up there. But what about the other two?

Could it be that all of this started when they we're children? Perhaps the four where childhood friends in this town, and like kids do, ran off into the woods for adventures. Could it be they found TO back then, but because of it's ability to manipulate memories they all forgot? That the reunion of those four and a fifth child that TO tormented (Tim) could have potentially summoned him?

I don't know if I've absorbed too much in too short of a time, but I seem to recall the first time TO is seen by them (in the episode in the park where Sarah had the camera cant remember it's number) weren't all four of the cast/crew but Jay there?

Again bare with me and I hope this makes sense.


Intresting theory, but when was it hinted that Jay and Alex had grown up in the city where they attended university?

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Jordan wrote:


Intresting theory, but when was it hinted that Jay and Alex had grown up in the city where they attended university?


Now that you bring it up I can't seem to find where I got that idea from. Maybe it was too much late night reading and viewing. Meh Oh well. It was a thought LOL.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
It's possible but ENTIRELY too coincidental. The operator can't be stalking THAT many kids given the population of the world, and the fact that he would stalk Alex and Tim separately, then one day have them end up doing a movie together not knowing each other, is pretty damn coincidental. If there truly were that many kids in the Alabama area with the same symptoms, local doctors would put two and two together and figure out that Tim wasn't bullshitting all of his "hallucinations" and that he belongs in protective care, not a mental hospital.

But yeah, if we're going on the theory that the operator stalks maybe 5 kids and some of those 5 just so happen to meet each other later in life and become heavily involved in each other's lives, that's some Lost-type coincidence


That's not a mind boggling coincidence. That sort of thing happens in fiction all the time, and it is incredibly easy to assume it wasn't a coincidence, but something The operator set up himself. There is still a lot of information we don't know. Hoody blames Alex for everything; Tim thinks it might be his fault. We can only guess at the moment.
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Okay, I don't really feel like reading everybody's wall of text arguments on their personal theories of this and that, but from I gathered by skimming through all your stuff is that you have a problem with the idea of the Operator being able to stalk more than one person at once-- haven't you ever heard of "omnipresence?"

Many metaphysical beings can use omnipresence, which is the ability to occupy more than one space at the same time. For instance, the Operator could be walking through the woods of Alabama, scaring Jay and Tim and at the same time he could be halfway across the world in a nice pub in his homeland of Germany having a pint of beer, all while in total control of his actions in both places.

I'll pitch you an example, in the movie or book Watchmen, the big naked blue guy has this ability. It's explained as a scientific phenomenon (I know most of you want to write off the Operator as some sort of scientific thing and not a mystical thing) that is totally possible in human theory, but because the big naked blue guy has become the Overman, he has thus perfected it. The Operator is probably similar to the Doctor Manhattan in that he has special powers that go beyond the human understandings of science and let him bend reality to his own twisted liking.

I like to believe the Operator is a mystical creature, from either a dimension of pure evil and pure chaos (Hell/Sheol/Jahannam/Avici) and is controlled by a massive, horrible creature that has existed since before the dawn of time (Satan/Zalgo/Korrok/Cthulhu) and is responsible for whispering evil into the hearts of men for all time, but if you want to write it off as a purely scientific thing, then this how I think it can work-- omnipresence-- it works in both metaphysical and science fiction, depending on how you want to look at it.

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I personally think it was Tim. I mean, Really. Tim has encountered the operator since he was young. Maybe when Tim met Alex The Operator thought
"You know what, I think I can manipulate Alex to make him a murdering phsycopath!"

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