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Do you trust Tim?
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FalseRoar
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SilentMedusa wrote:
I still trust him. For now. Although I admit it's mainly because I have trouble believing they'd make Tim the villain after not only working so hard to make us like him, but priming us to accept him as the new lead protagonist.


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That, or they're trying to make his eventual betrayal that much more brutal by making us like him.


Yes, Tim is sympathetic, but that doesn't mean he's a good guy or can do no wrong. Although if Tim does hurt Jay and/or the investigation, I'm thinking it would be through some unintentional consequences of his actions. *cough*pills*cough*

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searchanddestroy
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The whole entry where Tim introduces Alex to the hospital seemed way to coincidental. Alex was already being slender stalked and he just so happens to be lead to the town TO originated from. Alex was slender stalked before he even knew what the hospital was, and then Alex knew to feed brian to TO at that particular spot when it was his first time being there no less. Jay even stated he doesn't know why Alex was at the rosswood town. I don't think it was Tim's fault but rather an accident. But come someone explain to me if this is a coincidence. I love MHs but the story seems weak here.

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TheSupremeFace
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searchanddestroy wrote:
The whole entry where Tim introduces Alex to the hospital seemed way to coincidental. Alex was already being slender stalked and he just so happens to be lead to the town TO originated from. Alex was slender stalked before he even knew what the hospital was, and then Alex knew to feed brian to TO at that particular spot when it was his first time being there no less. Jay even stated he doesn't know why Alex was at the rosswood town. I don't think it was Tim's fault but rather an accident. But come someone explain to me if this is a coincidence. I love MHs but the story seems weak here.


I believe Tim showed him that place because he was familiar with it, and Alex probably asked for something Abandoned for the setting. Tim probably knew that the hospital was a plausible location

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CenturyChild
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And as for whether or not they're gonna make him the bad guy: in storytelling there's a difference between a carefully-planned plot twist and an out-of-the-blue shift that's only for shock value. They've developed him so carefully as a good (albeit possibly dishonest) character that they're beyond the point at which they could make him a villain and have it be believable.

Jay, on the other hand...considering what Slender-Sickness tends to bring out in people, Jay becoming a villain is still very much a possibility. Much as I love him. :'(

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searchanddestroy
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TheSupremeFace wrote:
searchanddestroy wrote:
The whole entry where Tim introduces Alex to the hospital seemed way to coincidental. Alex was already being slender stalked and he just so happens to be lead to the town TO originated from. Alex was slender stalked before he even knew what the hospital was, and then Alex knew to feed brian to TO at that particular spot when it was his first time being there no less. Jay even stated he doesn't know why Alex was at the rosswood town. I don't think it was Tim's fault but rather an accident. But come someone explain to me if this is a coincidence. I love MHs but the story seems weak here.


I believe Tim showed him that place because he was familiar with it, and Alex probably asked for something Abandoned for the setting. Tim probably knew that the hospital was a plausible location

Then how did Alex know TO was going to take brian at that specific location? And why did Alex just so happen to wonder around rosswood park where TO originated?

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SilentMedusa
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So, uh, this is awkward Embarassed . In light of the latest entry I'd like to revise my stance. I still believe in Tim, but it's very shaky.

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Sha Noran
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searchanddestroy wrote:
TheSupremeFace wrote:
searchanddestroy wrote:
The whole entry where Tim introduces Alex to the hospital seemed way to coincidental. Alex was already being slender stalked and he just so happens to be lead to the town TO originated from. Alex was slender stalked before he even knew what the hospital was, and then Alex knew to feed brian to TO at that particular spot when it was his first time being there no less. Jay even stated he doesn't know why Alex was at the rosswood town. I don't think it was Tim's fault but rather an accident. But come someone explain to me if this is a coincidence. I love MHs but the story seems weak here.


I believe Tim showed him that place because he was familiar with it, and Alex probably asked for something Abandoned for the setting. Tim probably knew that the hospital was a plausible location

Then how did Alex know TO was going to take brian at that specific location? And why did Alex just so happen to wonder around rosswood park where TO originated?


Maybe not only did Alex not know that would happen, but he also never planned on attacking Brian or Tim. Also, who says Brian got "taken"? My money is still on Brian escaping with Tim, and them first forming their Hoody/Masky alliance. This is why Alex felt he had to turn to Seth to go looking for answers. On top of that, Tim had no idea TO would show up there. At this point he still probably is conditioned to believe that TO is not real and just a hallucination. It is perfectly possible he recommended the hospital because he saw no reason not to recommend a pretty sweet location for what Alex was looking for. Remember, Tim never had many friends before college, and Brian was his good friend, and he was finally finding a group of people to hang out and have fun with.

If Tim is ultimately revealed to be the one who caused all of this, it will be accidental on his part.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
So, uh, this is awkward Embarassed . In light of the latest entry I'd like to revise my stance. I still believe in Tim, but it's very shaky.


I'm standing firm. Tim is a good person, albeit dishonest. There's a difference between malicious deceit and dishonestly to protect someone or something. Is self-protection the main reason behind his actions? Maybe. But I still believe he is genuinely concerned about Jay and wants to take care of him.

It's kind of like this: Tim represents a protective parent (maybe over-protective, but with good intentions) and Jay is acting as a rebellious teenager would—not only convinced that his guardian is wrong or ill-willed towards him but wracked with a desire to regain his independence. Remember, Jay knows that he's weak and still somewhat dependent on Tim. He doesn't like that, and so this last confrontation serves as a sufficient reason for him to break free and try to convince himself that he can handle the situation on his own.

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chaoswinter
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I trust him completely.

He didn't make an attempt to really attack Jay in his house in the struggle for the tape and he also didn't follow him. He also made a point of giving Jay his medication when Jay was out of it as well as making sure Jay got an appointment with his doctor.

Plus.. he's got some pretty sick rollerblades

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chaoswinter wrote:
I trust him completely.

He didn't make an attempt to really attack Jay in his house in the struggle for the tape and he also didn't follow him. He also made a point of giving Jay his medication when Jay was out of it as well as making sure Jay got an appointment with his doctor.

Plus.. he's got some pretty sick rollerblades


And on top of all that, just look at my avatar-- he's a badass with a heart of gold.

Like, you know-- he's all rough and tough and stuff on the outside, but he's actually really sweet and donates to the Sad Kids Without Puppies Foundation at Christmas because his Mom died in that awful monorail incident and ever since then he swore to live a life of administering street justice to bad people.

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Jamocha101
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My bias for Tim makes me want to be able to trust him.

However, there's a lot of evidence that pragmatically points out otherwise. Such as being accused as a liar on a frequent basis.

Although Hoody could be just as unreliable. I don't want to kill my brain cells thinking about it.
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I used to trust Tim completely. Then he started drugging Jay while he was unconscious. Despite his arguments, there was a safe way to handle that situation. Take him to a doctor & be like, "Y'know doc, I think this medication might help him, you might wanna check that out if you don't have anything else." But still, I was mostly in his corner, & wondered why Jay was being such a colossal asshole to him, considering Tim seems to have saved him from The Operator.

Then it turns out, whoa, ToTheArk was telling the truth, & not just a technical truth, but an faithful representation of the situation: Tim was lying the whole damn time. Again, there were ways to handle this.

I don't know if I think he's an antagonist, but I definitely do not trust him, & if I were Jay, I wouldn't be taking chances. Alex was a whole lot less shifty, & he pulled a fucking gun out. Plus, there's that thing where Tim sometimes puts on a mask & goes apeshit. If Tim's not going to help me find shit, I'd be dumping his ass, too.

And now it looks like maybe Alex isn't the real bad guy, but Hoody is. Which means that maybe Tim is, too.

All VERY suspicious.

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Serum wrote:
chaoswinter wrote:
I trust him completely.

He didn't make an attempt to really attack Jay in his house in the struggle for the tape and he also didn't follow him. He also made a point of giving Jay his medication when Jay was out of it as well as making sure Jay got an appointment with his doctor.

Plus.. he's got some pretty sick rollerblades


And on top of all that, just look at my avatar-- he's a badass with a heart of gold.

Like, you know-- he's all rough and tough and stuff on the outside, but he's actually really sweet and donates to the Sad Kids Without Puppies Foundation at Christmas because his Mom died in that awful monorail incident and ever since then he swore to live a life of administering street justice to bad people.


I'm going to elect to believe all of this. And I do like your avatar. Very Happy

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chaoswinter
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Lithp wrote:

I used to trust Tim completely. Then he started drugging Jay while he was unconscious. Despite his arguments, there was a safe way to handle that situation. Take him to a doctor & be like, "Y'know doc, I think this medication might help him, you might wanna check that out if you don't have anything else."


He acted on impulse and he did what he thought was right, they were miles away from where Tim's doctor was he had no other choice. Tim made the right decision, as the medication did help Jay recover.

He also finally did bring Jay to the doctor's when they got back to the Rosswood town. Tim was doing what he thought was the best choice for Jay and it was.

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If Jay becomes the bad guy, that will be some brilliant storytelling and I'll be genuinely surprised.

EDIT: Also, I fully trust Tim. He kept a tape from Jay, sure, but it's not like Jay has never done anything sneaky himself.

I just want to see what's on that tape.

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