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Beidah
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 		"... even if they aren't in the right state of mind." was a key phrase there. Also, Tim has been traumatized by The Operator since he was a child. It's no wonder he is the most affected. Tim might have DID, but no one else seems to. There hasn't been any signs of mind control, either. Usually, when people are mind controlled, they act a certain way that I haven't seen. Alex might be doing the Operator's will, but he's doing it on his own accord.
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Marble Hornets
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We have never seen Amy's body...only heard her voice and now seen her face. As a female, I have broad shoulders and wide hips...I could EASILY pass for Hoody under several layers of clothing and a damn mask and gloves.


Admittedly, I hadn't thought of extra layers of clothing, but this would still be a huge asspull, which is the primary reason I oppose the theory. Hoody's SPECIFIC build not being fixed is one thing, Hoody being a woman when, the vast majority of the time, it is clearly not a female playing the character is quite another. And why would she even bother doing that? If she wanted to pass as a man, most men are going to be closer to her own size & build, rather than Brian's or Tim's. It's rather a lot of trouble to go to just to fool everyone into basically thinking you're Brian. If they stuck to small actors like Troy & Joseph, & then claimed that the Hoody character used padding here & there to disguise her sex, that would be much more believable, from both an in-&-out-of-universe perspective.

Also, as a nitpick, I don't know why you listed broad hips. That's not a trait typically correlated with males.

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Hoody dragged jay and tim to the abandoned hut at one point, no way could a girl amy's size move tim.


I don't see this. For starters, didn't Masked Tim just walk himself there? Secondly, if he's just dead weight, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be able to move Tim. It might be annoying & take a while, but it should be doable. It's not like Hoody grabbed him in one hand & lifted him into the air.



You might be right about the first part, but not the second. If someone 100lbs heavier than you is just laying there, you won't be able to move them without some muscle, and Amy isn't exactly a she-hulk (but this argument is irrelevant).

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Marble Hornets
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Beidah wrote:
"... even if they aren't in the right state of mind." was a key phrase there. Also, Tim has been traumatized by The Operator since he was a child. It's no wonder he is the most affected. Tim might have DID, but no one else seems to. There hasn't been any signs of mind control, either. Usually, when people are mind controlled, they act a certain way that I haven't seen. Alex might be doing the Operator's will, but he's doing it on his own accord.


Well you wouldn't know if someone is being "mind controlled"... in theory, the operator could easily make alex do things that we think is just him doing them on his own accord (such as luring jay into rosswood park in entry 40). We base everything on what we've seen and what we know, but if one or more people are lying, then it's possible the things we think are true are not.

Another reason I think it's possible is the way Alex kills bruce. He strangles him and Bruce is dead at that point. No evidence that would link back to Alex on the body, as fingerprints won't show up on his neck. But he went further, and made him faceless. If the operator was acting in Alex's favor, it would be symbolic. But that also poses the question of why would he kill bruce and nobody else. We will have to wait and see I guess.

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 		Maybe in his rash act he figured Bruce could still be unconscious still and decided to make sure he wouldn't get up again. Also why wouldn't fingerprints show up on his neck?

As for why he killed him, maybe Bruce really was important to all this and he only looks like a bystander? There's also to fact that he seemed to think he was Jay so there's also the chance that he's losing his grip on reality.

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Toadbert wrote:
Maybe in his rash act he figured Bruce could still be unconscious still and decided to make sure he wouldn't get up again. Also why wouldn't fingerprints show up on his neck?

As for why he killed him, maybe Bruce really was important to all this and he only looks like a bystander? There's also to fact that he seemed to think he was Jay so there's also the chance that he's losing his grip on reality.


Skin oils mask fingerprints. If anything using the rock was worse bc his fingerprints would show up on that.

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 		Alex killed Bruce because he is psychotic. Being stalked by Slendermen is the leading cause of homicidal tendencies in the US,
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Lithp wrote:

Also, as a nitpick, I don't know why you listed broad hips. That's not a trait typically correlated with males.

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Hoody dragged jay and tim to the abandoned hut at one point, no way could a girl amy's size move tim.


I don't see this. For starters, didn't Masked Tim just walk himself there? Secondly, if he's just dead weight, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be able to move Tim. It might be annoying & take a while, but it should be doable. It's not like Hoody grabbed him in one hand & lifted him into the air.


Well, as a girl myself I think I might be bigger than Amy seems to be, but I hightly doubt I could move Tim. Maybe few metres (no more than 30 feet? I don't really know how "feet" work. Maybe it is even so much for me), but with a lot of effort and time. Of course she could be stronger than she looks, but... anyway, there are so many reasons I don't think she is Hoody.
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 		I finally decided to start lurking and start posting with this whole Amy as Hoody thing. I seriously doubt that it's Amy for one reason. Alex attacked Hoody back in entry 68. If he's still human enough, I guess, to be carrying around a very well worn picture of his missing girlfriend, do you really think that he'd attack her?

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 		I'm not sure if this is still a debate but it's pretty heavily implied that hoody has Alex because hoody knows from the previous entry that they would be going to Tim's house looking for alex...so when he writes I have him it is implied that it's written like I have the person you are looking for...

What do you think is going to come out first, the tape or them going to the address?

I think the tape will have something to do with more Tim lying obviously but also the operator

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Animal wrote:
I'm not sure if this is still a debate but it's pretty heavily implied that hoody has Alex because hoody knows from the previous entry that they would be going to Tim's house looking for alex...so when he writes I have him it is implied that it's written like I have the person you are looking for...

What do you think is going to come out first, the tape or them going to the address?

I think the tape will have something to do with more Tim lying obviously but also the operator


The first part can only be true if hoody stalled in uploading the entry where he breaks into tims house. The reason for this is because if he uploaded it right after it happened, alex would have seen it and left right away

However, the writing is very similar to Alex's writing from earlier seasons. Hoody has a different style of lettering (see the "he is a liar, follow me" entry)


I think Jay will put the footage from the tape + address visit in one entry. He pretty much has to, because if he waits to do either, it will be too weird timeline wise. If he waits to upload the tape footage we'll have to question why he didn't immediately watch and upload it knowing it had "answers" on it. If he waits to go to the address and makes the next entry only the tape footage, we'll be questioning why whoever is waiting for him there has been waiting there for 2-3 weeks until the following entry is posted

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Animal wrote:
I'm not sure if this is still a debate but it's pretty heavily implied that hoody has Alex because hoody knows from the previous entry that they would be going to Tim's house looking for alex...so when he writes I have him it is implied that it's written like I have the person you are looking for...

What do you think is going to come out first, the tape or them going to the address?

I think the tape will have something to do with more Tim lying obviously but also the operator


The first part can only be true if hoody stalled in uploading the entry where he breaks into tims house. The reason for this is because if he uploaded it right after it happened, alex would have seen it and left right away

However, the writing is very similar to Alex's writing from earlier seasons. Hoody has a different style of lettering (see the "he is a liar, follow me" entry)


I think Jay will put the footage from the tape + address visit in one entry. He pretty much has to, because if he waits to do either, it will be too weird timeline wise. If he waits to upload the tape footage we'll have to question why he didn't immediately watch and upload it knowing it had "answers" on it. If he waits to go to the address and makes the next entry only the tape footage, we'll be questioning why whoever is waiting for him there has been waiting there for 2-3 weeks until the following entry is posted

Not so. He could put them in separate entries and just upload them back to back. Although it's not exactly common to get two entries at the same time, if both parts are ready OOG anyway (which they'd have to be for a single entry to be possible) then there's no reason why it couldn't happen. Entries 21 and 22 were released a day apart.

Point is, since the tape and the address aren't necessarily set in the same place, if they come out in the same entry it's going to be a little like filming two entries in one anyway.

On a side note, I have some thoughts on the whole "can Hoody be a girl" thing, but as I have to go eat now, I'll just start with my main question: Can someone please refer me to wherever they actually said they're using multiple actors for Hoody? Everyone keeps saying "oh, Trosephim said that a while ago," and while I'm not saying you're all liars, not one of you that I've seen has actually provided a source.

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 		Does it seem to any of you that Hoody and Masktim were once allies but had a bit of a falling out and that's why TTA is being such a jerk to Tim now?

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TheJoker wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Animal wrote:
I'm not sure if this is still a debate but it's pretty heavily implied that hoody has Alex because hoody knows from the previous entry that they would be going to Tim's house looking for alex...so when he writes I have him it is implied that it's written like I have the person you are looking for...

What do you think is going to come out first, the tape or them going to the address?

I think the tape will have something to do with more Tim lying obviously but also the operator


The first part can only be true if hoody stalled in uploading the entry where he breaks into tims house. The reason for this is because if he uploaded it right after it happened, alex would have seen it and left right away

However, the writing is very similar to Alex's writing from earlier seasons. Hoody has a different style of lettering (see the "he is a liar, follow me" entry)


I think Jay will put the footage from the tape + address visit in one entry. He pretty much has to, because if he waits to do either, it will be too weird timeline wise. If he waits to upload the tape footage we'll have to question why he didn't immediately watch and upload it knowing it had "answers" on it. If he waits to go to the address and makes the next entry only the tape footage, we'll be questioning why whoever is waiting for him there has been waiting there for 2-3 weeks until the following entry is posted

Not so. He could put them in separate entries and just upload them back to back. Although it's not exactly common to get two entries at the same time, if both parts are ready OOG anyway (which they'd have to be for a single entry to be possible) then there's no reason why it couldn't happen. Entries 21 and 22 were released a day apart.

Point is, since the tape and the address aren't necessarily set in the same place, if they come out in the same entry it's going to be a little like filming two entries in one anyway.

On a side note, I have some thoughts on the whole "can Hoody be a girl" thing, but as I have to go eat now, I'll just start with my main question: Can someone please refer me to wherever they actually said they're using multiple actors for Hoody? Everyone keeps saying "oh, Trosephim said that a while ago," and while I'm not saying you're all liars, not one of you that I've seen has actually provided a source.


Mr. Technical lol. We're saying the same thing, that the entries will be released VERY shortly after one another rather than having a 2-3 week wait.

You don't need any confirmation that multiple actors played hoody, it's clear as day. Go watch entry 45, and then 41, and then 59. Troy clearly plays him in 45 (he's small and thin), Tim clearly plays him in 41 and possibly the more recent entries (he's way bulkier) and Joseph clearly plays him in 59 (troy and tim were both on camera so it couldn't have been them, and hoody was tall and thin in this entry just like joseph)

OOG, Brian lives nowhere near them, so to bring him all the way there just to film an entry where he won't have his face shown is not probable. Nobody else that would fit the frame of hoody is listed as cast on IMDB. Seth is the only other one it could be, but I really don't think they'd drag him to play hoody when they could just easily have Joseph play him.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Joseph clearly plays him in 59


58

Not sure where the source is. I thought it was somewhere on Troy's blog but I couldn't find it.

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Marble Hornets wrote:

You don't need any confirmation that multiple actors played hoody, it's clear as day. Go watch entry 45, and then 41, and then 59. Troy clearly plays him in 45 (he's small and thin), Tim clearly plays him in 41 and possibly the more recent entries (he's way bulkier) and Joseph clearly plays him in 59 (troy and tim were both on camera so it couldn't have been them, and hoody was tall and thin in this entry just like joseph)

Plot twist: There are actually multiple guys with hoods, and the guy with the mask is their leader.

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