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TheJoker
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Marble Hornets wrote:
chaoswinter wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:

As far as first encounter with Alex, I think we can assume that one of the earlier entries (12, off screen footage of what happened before entry 2, maybe even entry 5).


Actually if you take enttry #37 into account, both Alex and Tim have been dealing with the operator since they were children. In fact if you count the number of candles on Alex's birthday cake he would have been 5 or 6 at the time of the video being shot meaning he was born in either 1985 / 1986 and Tim was born in 1987 meaning Alex is older and has been under TO's watch for quite some time.

He's been stalking the both of them, but both have had different symptoms / prolonged issues from being around TO.



How many times are you guys gonna argue this. The operator appeared OVER ALEXS MOM and half the height he should have been. It's one thing to teleport in, it's another thing to teleport in the fourth dimension over someone's body.

If the operator was stalking alex as long as tim, then alex would have noticed blackouts WAY before the filming of marble hornets. The chronologically early entries where Alex is perfectly fine, and then later on gets super paranoid is a dead giveaway of this.

Why does everyone keep assuming Trosephim would bother putting in an entry like that as a red herring? Yes, TO was clearly edited in, but consider who uploaded the video. While it's not confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt, it's pretty reasonable to assume that TTA was trying to send some kind of message- namely, that Alex has been stalked for a long, long time. (If you can come up for another interpretation for 37 aside from it being scary nonsense with no purpose, I'd love to hear it, though.)

Now, yes, you can see that Alex wasn't being stalked at the start of the 2006 film shoot. But consider his line in 22- "I thought I would be safer here. By running away." Yes, he could've just run away since Seth's disappearance, but what if he means he had successfully escaped TO for several years by moving to College Town? What if his paranoia wasn't at seeing TO for the first time, but at realizing TO had found him again? Consider that Tim had also escaped for a time and been able to live a normal life with a stable job and no blackouts until Jay caught up with him. Why couldn't Alex have done the same thing between his fourth birthday and his college years?

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MC_Loki
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Marble Hornets wrote:


It wouldn't make sense. Jay's camera was filming the entire time between entries 32 and 33. He would have had to edit out the footage of killing jessica, walk back into his room, then pretend to look for her. They would never be able to explain that. If it was a plot set up by Jay that's one thing, but the series will have really jumped the shark if that's the case.

Also, totheark flat out told us jessica is still out there in one of his cryptic clues, so theory denied.


He would have had to stop his camera to upload 32 because he wanted evidence up in case something happened.

And yeah, I forgot about the TTA clue.
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They need to play that card really soon; that plot thread's been loose for far too long.
Point conceded.

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It's entirely possible that Alex was fine too, but then Amy found his old camera and brought TO back. Alex then found Jay's youtube channel and thought: "I thought I got rid of him! Now I have to do it again to get rid of TO". Same thing with Tim, he was doing fine, but then Jay started filming him and Alex noticed that he's alive and well too.

So really, Jay may have brought all of this back, but he's simply fighting his way through life.

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 		a theory
I was just thinking:
Totheark showed Jessica's face by the tunnel in Display. Display had the clue at the end that said watch death or death watch.
What if the display being referenced here is Jessica's death, what if THAT is what is on the tape, and what if it is a continuation of "noentry"--- the bloody white shirt Jay picks up is Jessica's? What if Jay killed Jessica; that would definitely be something he wouldn't need to see.
Sad

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 		Ok, new theory. The tape has information on where Jessica is. She's had her memory wiped of all TO related events and was dumped back into society. Because of this TO has left her alone. If Jay finds her and gets her to remember, TO will become involved in her life again. This is what Tim's trying to avoid.

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Marble Hornets
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TheJoker wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
chaoswinter wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:

As far as first encounter with Alex, I think we can assume that one of the earlier entries (12, off screen footage of what happened before entry 2, maybe even entry 5).


Actually if you take enttry #37 into account, both Alex and Tim have been dealing with the operator since they were children. In fact if you count the number of candles on Alex's birthday cake he would have been 5 or 6 at the time of the video being shot meaning he was born in either 1985 / 1986 and Tim was born in 1987 meaning Alex is older and has been under TO's watch for quite some time.

He's been stalking the both of them, but both have had different symptoms / prolonged issues from being around TO.



How many times are you guys gonna argue this. The operator appeared OVER ALEXS MOM and half the height he should have been. It's one thing to teleport in, it's another thing to teleport in the fourth dimension over someone's body.

If the operator was stalking alex as long as tim, then alex would have noticed blackouts WAY before the filming of marble hornets. The chronologically early entries where Alex is perfectly fine, and then later on gets super paranoid is a dead giveaway of this.

Why does everyone keep assuming Trosephim would bother putting in an entry like that as a red herring? Yes, TO was clearly edited in, but consider who uploaded the video. While it's not confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt, it's pretty reasonable to assume that TTA was trying to send some kind of message- namely, that Alex has been stalked for a long, long time. (If you can come up for another interpretation for 37 aside from it being scary nonsense with no purpose, I'd love to hear it, though.)

Now, yes, you can see that Alex wasn't being stalked at the start of the 2006 film shoot. But consider his line in 22- "I thought I would be safer here. By running away." Yes, he could've just run away since Seth's disappearance, but what if he means he had successfully escaped TO for several years by moving to College Town? What if his paranoia wasn't at seeing TO for the first time, but at realizing TO had found him again? Consider that Tim had also escaped for a time and been able to live a normal life with a stable job and no blackouts until Jay caught up with him. Why couldn't Alex have done the same thing between his fourth birthday and his college years?



It's entirely possible, but that really diminishes Alex's character. While we see him as malevolent, we assume he's this way because of Tim, so we still see him as innocent in a way. Revealing that the operator was involved with him at a young age as well just... I don't like that plot one bit, but again, still possible.

Although, Alex says in entry 2 that he's never seen the operator before. Whereas Tim's hands start fidgeting the first time Jay brings up the operator. While they have said that's just Tim moving his hands and nothing more, I think they were lying to save face because it exposes tim as a liar way back then.

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 		Re: a theory
elford wrote:
I was just thinking:
Totheark showed Jessica's face by the tunnel in Display. Display had the clue at the end that said watch death or death watch.
What if the display being referenced here is Jessica's death, what if THAT is what is on the tape, and what if it is a continuation of "noentry"--- the bloody white shirt Jay picks up is Jessica's? What if Jay killed Jessica; that would definitely be something he wouldn't need to see.
Sad


That's assuming Jay beat Jessica with a rock in the same fashion Alex did (blood was still fresh on the rock). Too coincidental.

I'm betting the tape will be footage of Tim attacking Jay and letting the operator have his way or something, similar to what Alex did to other people. If it's jay doing something in his "masky" state, I feel like Tim wouldn't have a problem showing him, since Jay has shown Tim what Tim has done in his masky state every time.

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gennerx wrote:
Ok, new theory. The tape has information on where Jessica is. She's had her memory wiped of all TO related events and was dumped back into society. Because of this TO has left her alone. If Jay finds her and gets her to remember, TO will become involved in her life again. This is what Tim's trying to avoid.


I like this theory.

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I'm just going to go ahead and combine a few theories here and predict that Tim killed Jessica and the murder is on the tape.


If that's the case, why didn't Tim fight harder to keep the tape from Jay? Why did he say "You need to watch this, but not yet," instead of "Don't watch that tape"? Hell, why did he even take Jay along when he went to get the thing? I think it's better than even money that the tape is more about Jay than it is about Tim.

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Gante wrote:
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I'm just going to go ahead and combine a few theories here and predict that Tim killed Jessica and the murder is on the tape.


If that's the case, why didn't Tim fight harder to keep the tape from Jay? Why did he say "You need to watch this, but not yet," instead of "Don't watch that tape"? Hell, why did he even take Jay along when he went to get the thing? I think it's better than even money that the tape is more about Jay than it is about Tim.


Don't bother arguing that theory any further. Totheark has given us a code that translated to "she's still out there' or something like that

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Gante wrote:
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I'm just going to go ahead and combine a few theories here and predict that Tim killed Jessica and the murder is on the tape.


If that's the case, why didn't Tim fight harder to keep the tape from Jay? Why did he say "You need to watch this, but not yet," instead of "Don't watch that tape"? Hell, why did he even take Jay along when he went to get the thing? I think it's better than even money that the tape is more about Jay than it is about Tim.


Don't bother arguing that theory any further. Totheark has given us a code that translated to "she's still out there' or something like that


You're saying that in a series that has a myriad of lies.

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adaminator1 wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Gante wrote:
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I'm just going to go ahead and combine a few theories here and predict that Tim killed Jessica and the murder is on the tape.


If that's the case, why didn't Tim fight harder to keep the tape from Jay? Why did he say "You need to watch this, but not yet," instead of "Don't watch that tape"? Hell, why did he even take Jay along when he went to get the thing? I think it's better than even money that the tape is more about Jay than it is about Tim.


Don't bother arguing that theory any further. Totheark has given us a code that translated to "she's still out there' or something like that


You're saying that in a series that has a myriad of lies.



to make the codes that we spend hours deciphering turn out to be lies... they'd be so dirty

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 		You know, something just occurred to me. During the drive to the house, Jay talks about how it would be "weird" to go up against Alex and come out on top. He seems to be referring to them going back to their lives afterwards, and implying that he (Jay) doesn't have anything to go back to. There's no mention of the Operator, or anything else of this mess. And Tim doesn't say anything about them either. Does that mean they believe stopping Alex (however they plan to do that) will automatically stop The Operator from coming after them anymore? And do any of you think that's correct? Because personally, I think they're in for a nasty surprise if that's what they're banking on...

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SilentMedusa wrote:
You know, something just occurred to me. During the drive to the house, Jay talks about how it would be "weird" to go up against Alex and come out on top. He seems to be referring to them going back to their lives afterwards, and implying that he (Jay) doesn't have anything to go back to. There's no mention of the Operator, or anything else of this mess. And Tim doesn't say anything about them either. Does that mean they believe stopping Alex (however they plan to do that) will automatically stop The Operator from coming after them anymore? And do any of you think that's correct? Because personally, I think they're in for a nasty surprise if that's what they're banking on...


See my long winded theory in the how this ends thread. I believe killing Alex is the key to getting TO to leave them alone.

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 		But does your theory explain how Tim and Jay know that?

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