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[DHawk314]

Ya, I dunno. I think this is kind of an exceptional circumstance. There's this monster. It warps reality itself. It teleports around and seems very threatening. No one has ever been able to touch it, or even get close to it without getting knocked unconcious. This guy warps reality, and is PROBABLY trying to get Jay and Tim killed.

And then suddenly, Tim starts using these pills his doctor prescribed to him, and this indestructible monster who defies all laws of physics and is basically the most powerful being they've ever seen, seems to be put into a defensive position. And then Tim's only friend in the whole world is completely out of it, maybe forever for as far as Tim knows. So he gives him the pills.

Like don't get me wrong here, I understand the moral, legal, and ethical problems with playing vigilante doctor, even and especially when lives are at stake. But Tim isn't playing vigilante doctor, he's playing "HOLY SHIT THERE'S A FACELESS THING WITH THE POWERS OF A GOD THAT'S TRYING TO KILL US WHAT DO"

I just don't think the normal rules apply here. Also, Jay's complaints about the medicine were not "I haven't been prescribed this, this is illegal, what if there's bad side effects, what if Tim's untrustworthy" they were "I don't need help, I'm too much of a big strong manly man to accept help from anyone." I'm paraphrasing here, but remember before the whole incident Tim was saying Jay needed psychological help, and Jay was like "I do noooooooooot" and he obviously did. Like I don't think Jay's aversion was as reasonable as you're implying it was. I think it was just his like, dumb aversion to getting help.

[Beidah]

Oh yeah, I forgot: you do not give people pills without their consent. That's probably the worst part about what Tim was doing there.

Though, perhaps I'm being a little hard on Tim. It's not like Jay's never done incredibly stupid stuff. I mean, this does beat out all of them, but still...

[MistrPibb]

now it's like Jay is being used by everyone and I think Tim is lying more than we thought

[Lithp]

I might have popped Jay some pills. Don't get me wrong. Faceless fucking monster. I'm not so moral that I wouldn't be willing to cross a line or 2 in a survival situation.

BUT I would have tried taking him to a hospital FIRST. It's quite literally the least that I could do.

Though, if we're honest with ourselves, I don't think the defense that "normal rules don't apply" really flies. We already think that we can treat The Operator with medicine. Even if a doctor doesn't agree that it's caused by a monster, he should be able to study the affliction, if it can be treated with medicine. If our thought process is really that the petty medical community will be of no help, why are we trying pills in the first place?

Now that I think about it, if the medicine affects not only the sickness, but also The Operator, maybe the bullets of Hoody's gun are treated with it.

As for Jay, I don't believe he specified at length, but he wasn't mad that Tim dragged him back home, he was mad SPECIFICALLY that Tim popped him pills. He may not have been able to articulate the issue very well, but his general grievance was probably along the same lines. Probably not that he was "too manly for help." The other time he got mad was probably an unrelated issue, the stigma of being considered mentally ill, especially when you believe your physical well-being is in danger by a real entity, & ESPECIALLY by the 1 person you thought would relate to you.

[TheOperator]

Yeah Tim certainly went into a shady area giving Jay the pills. I was expecting him to try to get Jay professional help first and only have to give up on it if something went wrong.

[DHawk314]

Ya, I dunno, I never really thought about bringing Jay to the hospital. I mean I never thought about it for the same reason I never thought about them calling the police, which they also should do. Like I feel like it's less Tim is too out of it or untrustworthy or whatever to think to bring Jay to the hospital, and more that like, you just have to suspend your disbelieve to belief they wouldn't get those kinds of authorities involved immediately in a kind of series like this.

But that's kind of a gray area, considering that you're right, they're already going to a different kind of doctor, so the hospital shouldn't be too out there. I think, to be honest, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say Tim made a mistake. But I also don't think that was Jay's complaint. I basically assumed it was the same complaint he had before about not wanting to get mental help. I mean what he said was he didn't think the pills would "magically fix everything." Like I don't think you're wrong in saying there are issues with Tim force feeding Jay pills, I just think to say that was Jay's issues is kind of projecting.

But I'd be willing to admit, Tim's probably making mistakes with how he's dealing with this, as is Jay, and that's probably one of them. I'm glad Tim got Jay to go to his mental clinic though.

[ToTheFading]

[TheOperator]

The very end of #75 with all the distortion and coughing indicated to me that Jay's mental state just cracked again, so he won't go get the help he needs any more.

[DHawk314]

I think it depends on what's on the tape. If it's something Tim thought would make Jay go crazy or just something disturbing he didn't think he was ready to witness, Jay'd probably keep trusting Tim enough to keep his appointment. If it makes Jay stop trusting Tim more than that though, he might not.

I hope he does though. They should all be seeing shrinks honestly, I mean let's get real.

[CraicIsMighty]

It also depends on how long Tim has had the tape. If that tape was one of the "Marble Hornets behind the scenes" tapes that he purposefully withheld then that means Tim has been lying to Jay about everything this entire season. If it's one of those tapes then that means he did know everything that was on them and knew which ones to give to Jay and which one to keep. (Kind of like how Alex picked which tapes to give Jay). However, if the tape is a solitary tape that Tim picked up somewhere along the way during season 3 then it will depend what's on the tape. If it's a tape that seems incriminating towards Tim then i definitely won't trust him anymore.

I still want to know what Tim was doing at that antique store though. I wonder if that antique store is ever going to be relevant to the plot?

[SilentMedusa]

You know, I always assumed he was just looking around in there to kill time until his doctor's appointment. Like, he gets there way early, so instead of just sitting in the waiting room he goes to look around in the nearby antique store. I do the same thing to kill time waiting on the bus.

[CraicIsMighty]

I would've assumed something like that if it weren't for the fact that Trosephim made it a point for Jay to note that the antique store had a bunch of old cameras and paintings of woodland areas. That seems too suspicious for the antique store to have just been random filler. Could be wrong but I can't help but wonder if it'll come up again.

[Lithp]

Sometimes I need help suspending disbelief. I can understand EverymanHYBRID, because they've mentioned getting the cops involved a couple of times, & it went nowhere good. Were the handwaves weak? Maybe a little, but they at least give some concrete reason to distrust authorities.

Marble Hornets, I kind of end up scratching my head. I mean, yeah, there's The Operator, & Jay has done some bad stuff too, but on the other hand, the police would be in a much better position to deal with accidentally stumbling across The Operator than he would, & nothing Jay has done so far really seems that serious that he should worry about being charged.

[Sha Noran]

[Jordan]

When I was watching season one, my head canon was always that Jay tried showing the footage to the police and they waved it off as a hoax or as a prank.

And what can Jay and Tim do now? They both have documented cases of serious mental illness and if they show the footage, they are going to incrimanite themselves and be accuesed of documenting a murder! They really can't get the police involved.

However, it's possible we might see the police involved in the future. If Bruce was just a traveler with no connections to the area, it's understandable his disapperance would go unreported. Those who know him, if he was traveling, might not even notice his disapperance until much, much later or even if they did, he may well have gone off-route or the authorties have had a lot to cover and just haven't reached Alex's town yet. Given that it's been confirmed that time in game isn't syncrous with the dates of the entries being uploaded out of game, it's understandable that the authorties haven't been notified yet.

What could happen is that someone from Tim's town might stumble upon the video who is aware of Tim's difficulties or even a loyal viewer in game who dismissed the channel as nothing more then fiction or a clear hoax see a newsreport about Bruce's disapperance and the locations he was last seen in and will notify the police, leading the boys in hot water. Of course, there's the problem of the boys uploading entries after leaving town to avoid being caught up with the police, but if it was clearly close to endgame, I'm not sure many of us would mind that much.