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[Sha Noran]

We can't seriously just act as if Entry 23 didn't even happen. If you are trying to suggest that isn't teleporting, then you must be suggesting that someone edited those shots together? So either Jay has been lying to us this whole time, Jay did it in his Masky state (why???) or someone else edited the footage before Jay went back and watched it (Tim? Hoody? TTA? TO?). It just seems so much more likely that what's on the tape is just what happened to Jay. His breathing seems pretty constantly audible throughout the Entry. Also sometimes he ends up in closets... Even if the footage was edited, why would he go into the fuckin closet in the middle of the night then leave in a panic? There wouldn't have been that footage to edit, also this implies he was there on his own all day while time went by into night, and then he went and found the basement ON HIS OWN then filmed only the encounter? Absurd.

Doors led where they shouldn't have. Time passed rapidly. TO was probably off camera doing this to Jay and enjoying his panic. Toying with him before bringing him home for dinner.

[ledzepfilm]

[Serum]

[Beidah]

[Serum]

This is awesome, I hope people argue on the internet forever.

[ledzepfilm]

Serum, you just summed up about 3/4ths of the Internet.

But back on topic. Everything you said (memory loss, slender sickness, etc.) is true, but Jay hasn't shown any signs of a personality that's different than his own already.

[Serum]

[ledzepfilm]

There's always a possibility that he can develop one but I don't think he has one currently.

[TheJoker]

[CraicIsMighty]

Jay might get better though, now that he's not hanging around Tim anymore. Jay didn't start exhibiting such sever slender sickness symptoms until he started hanging out with Tim. Just saying. He sure as hell never had any seizures back in Season 2 when he was derping around with Alex.

[TheSupremeFace]

I think people here associate "Masky State" with being affected by slender sickness. The thing is, Masky is an alternate personality of Tim, a completely different person. The situation with others is that they just experience slender sickness. Sure they have emotional changes, but they are still very much themselves.

Jay assaulting Tim, was JAY assaulting tim, not JayMasky. Even though Jay seems like a different person than his usual quite self, it's still him. Think of slender sickness as a drug (we'll use alcohol). You may be the most sophisticated man in the room, but once you take a few drinks you become the dirtiest. Same thing with Jay, it's still him but under the influence of TO.

In my opinion though, if you still believe Jay has an alternate personality, and you've read all the opposing evidence, that's fine by me. I can't force you to change your mind about what you think. Perhaps Jay will have an alternate personality, maybe he actually does but there isn't enough evidence. So FOR NOW, Jay is just Operator Drunk.

[TheSupremeFace]

[CraicIsMighty]

Ok, Tim giving Jay his own medication was just plain messed up. You don't just give someone medication they're not prescribed to against their will. He should've taken Jay to the doctor when Jay was acting all weird.

And you know, I can't help but be very suspicious of Tim after what happened this entry. I've been noticing over the past few entries that Tim's been growing stronger while Jay's been getting weaker even though Tim also had a pretty bad TO attack earlier this season. (Entry 65 i think?) It's almost like all Tim's symptoms were being transferred to Jay.

[hachiman]

Or maybe Tim has the ability to "feed" off Jay.

[DHawk314]

I think, the Operator makes you act differently, for sure. We've seen it make people violent, both with Alex AND Tim. Only Alex remembers his actions and is in much more control, while Tim neither remembers, nor is he in control. Also note that Tim mentioned to Jay, when he told him the abandoned hospital was the one he was in as a kid, that as a child he had "Violent episodes."

There are other things. They mentioned Tim had hallucinations, and while some of them might have been the Operator, we see him freaking out at nothing in the hospital when he drives there after having that seizure in Rosswood Park. Jay's seemingly been hallucinating recently. Also, the messages's Alex scribbles on those papers are similarly cryptic to the ones in totheark videos, assuming totheark isn't Alex, hearing these messages may be a constant, possible auditory hallucinations of some sort?

I'm mentioning all of this because I think Slendersickness has a process to it. I think you start out with brief violent episodes, but controlled ones, like Jay attacking Tim (And like Tim as a child maybe?) Then it gets to Alex, becoming rather casual about killing people. I think Alex also happens to be in league with the Operator for some reason, but I don't think this is a normal stage. I think eventually, the violent episodes become so uncontrolled, that you start just losing control of your actions and then forgetting afterwards. You start acting SO different, that how different you act manifests a different state.

So basically I think it goes:

Jay level violence - Alex level violence - Masky state

I remember Tim, when wondering if it was all his fault, wondering if "Alex is going through what I went through now!" I'm not saying that's evidence, just a connection.

I think totheark is probably somewhere in between Alex violence and Masky state. He seems to write messages even more cryptic and strange than Alex's, and probably has trouble communicating directly at this point. Also, I suspect Alex got away from the Operator between 2006 and 2009, while totheark I think has been stalked straight from 2006 to now. Plus, Alex is in league with the Operator, I think that may have an affect on Alex keeping SOME of his sanity and ability to communicate. This also doesn't mean I think totheark is more evil than Alex, like I say, I think him being in league with the Operator probably defines that more than anything.

I think, that the reason that Tim, despite being staked the longest, is still fairly sane, probably has to do with the fact that he's being medicated. Yes, he's developed a Masky state, I think from being stalked for so long, but it only has come on recently when he's had direct confrontations with the Operator (Which we've recently seen the pills may counteract) and when he didn't have any pills to stop it.

I know I sort of went on a tangent here, my point was I don't think Jay has a Masky state. I think the Operator makes you act different, violent and cryptic and such, and eventually it gets so weird you develop that sort of alternate persona. But I think Jay is much lower on the Operated totem poll then that.