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[VIDEO] Entry #75
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geekgirlinthefedora
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The Condor wrote:
Wait, in Entry 52, Jay practically hugged TO and he only suffered 7month memory loss.

So why is he currently having heavier symptoms?


Cumulative effect maybe? It's been a few years since 52.

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CrowHill
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 		Maybe TO chooses the type/strength of effect he has on people.

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Marble Hornets
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TheJoker wrote:
Except when he woke up he wasn't bloody, and the text indicates he left the room for several hours during which nothing happened on camera (hence why this part isn't shown in the entry) and returned with his face bloody much later in the tape.


His face is bloody before he gets out of bed. If you don't believe me run it through sony vegas or something and go frame by frame.

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 		Maybe it's like a Fool me once, Fool me twice thing
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Marble Hornets wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Except when he woke up he wasn't bloody, and the text indicates he left the room for several hours during which nothing happened on camera (hence why this part isn't shown in the entry) and returned with his face bloody much later in the tape.


His face is bloody before he gets out of bed. If you don't believe me run it through sony vegas or something and go frame by frame.

Don't have anything like that and a little too lazy to get it. His face doesn't look bloody when I watch it on YouTube, but rewatching the entry, I've realized that he actually went back to his bed and never left the room (unless he took the window or something), so he still had just woken up when we saw the blood clearly anyway.

So. Guess I was wrong. My theory about the source of the blood seems less likely now compared to the idea that the blood happened while he was sleeping somehow. It's not impossible, but it would mean Alex had for some reason gone to sleep without cleaning his face.

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I made comparison shots (using VLC and Paint.net). He definitely has the blood before getting up. I'm still standing by my bloody nose and unusual hand movements during sleep. His dreams must've been "Operated on" before his appearance. Alex was still being Operated on during filming. Pretty sure that wouldn't be the proper reaction right after having him standing right next to you.
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 		First post, hurray! Been watching for a few months now, and lurking here as well.

SilentMedusa wrote:
Since Jay doesn't seem to have had any encounters with The Operator during the actual MH shoot, it's possible Masky and Hoody thought he was immune somehow. "Return" could've been an attempt to test out that theory -which was dead wrong, judging from how bad he looked. Unless the zombie stare was a result of whatever the Dynamic Duo did to him so he couldn't escape before they were ready...

Goddamnit, I need to stop shooting my own theories full of holes; it makes me look stupid.


If Jay hadn't met the Operator during the original Marble Hornets shoot, why wouldn't he have recalled being attacked by Alex when he was given the tapes? I don't think there would be retrograde amnesia about that specific day from exposure months or years later-- in fact, it seems like his memory of that exchange wasn't erased, but altered, which actually lends more credence to the recent allegations of Jay being an unreliable narrator than other evidence I've read. Gaps are easily noticeable, but subtle alterations can be missed.

I always thought that "Return" was footage found by ToTheArk and uploaded more as a warning than anything else. The Operator doesn't seem to be hurting Jay, or even particularly interested in him; he/it just ambles right on by and continues down the hall, like he's going after something else. Possibly, if the footage was shot live and not found somewhere, ToTheArk him/herself. Though that is applying human logic to a supernatural/hyperdimensional (or whatever) entity.

If Tim's laughably poorly hidden tape does show the events surrounding "Return" I'd be pleased, though I'm hoping for information on pretty much any of the women involved in the series, excluding the woman at the antique store.

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Master of Octopi wrote:
I'm hoping for information on pretty much any of the women involved in the series, excluding the woman at the antique store.


You fool! She's the key to EVERYTHING!

...in a way that I find myself unable to adequately explain...

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SilentMedusa
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Master of Octopi wrote:
First post, hurray! Been watching for a few months now, and lurking here as well.

SilentMedusa wrote:
Since Jay doesn't seem to have had any encounters with The Operator during the actual MH shoot, it's possible Masky and Hoody thought he was immune somehow. "Return" could've been an attempt to test out that theory -which was dead wrong, judging from how bad he looked. Unless the zombie stare was a result of whatever the Dynamic Duo did to him so he couldn't escape before they were ready...

Goddamnit, I need to stop shooting my own theories full of holes; it makes me look stupid.


If Jay hadn't met the Operator during the original Marble Hornets shoot, why wouldn't he have recalled being attacked by Alex when he was given the tapes? I don't think there would be retrograde amnesia about that specific day from exposure months or years later-- in fact, it seems like his memory of that exchange wasn't erased, but altered, which actually lends more credence to the recent allegations of Jay being an unreliable narrator than other evidence I've read. Gaps are easily noticeable, but subtle alterations can be missed.

I always thought that "Return" was footage found by ToTheArk and uploaded more as a warning than anything else. The Operator doesn't seem to be hurting Jay, or even particularly interested in him; he/it just ambles right on by and continues down the hall, like he's going after something else. Possibly, if the footage was shot live and not found somewhere, ToTheArk him/herself. Though that is applying human logic to a supernatural/hyperdimensional (or whatever) entity.

If Tim's laughably poorly hidden tape does show the events surrounding "Return" I'd be pleased, though I'm hoping for information on pretty much any of the women involved in the series, excluding the woman at the antique store.


What I meant was that at the time Return was originally posted, they thought that. No one -including Jay himself- knew about the events of Entry #71 yet. They couldn't have; that tape had been burned, although not as well as Alex thought. And TTA couldn't have been there to see it in person, or he definitely would've said something about it. Since he didn't, I feel safe saying he was working on the same assumption as the rest of us: that Return was Jay's first one-on-one encounter with The Operator.

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 		I still think Entry 12 was the first time everyone saw the Operator, mostly based on their cool and calm reactions to him. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm willing to bet that Return was filmed when Jay vanished in Entry 19. Return is the response to Entry 19. Jay is gone after Masky appears, only to appear again three hours later (shown in text, not in the video).
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UnQuantifiable wrote:
I still think Entry 12 was the first time everyone saw the Operator, mostly based on their cool and calm reactions to him. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm willing to bet that Return was filmed when Jay vanished in Entry 19. Return is the response to Entry 19. Jay is gone after Masky appears, only to appear again three hours later (shown in text, not in the video).


... basically, duh man.

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 		TO messes with Jay and Tim, but doesn't take or kill then...

Jay and Tim have been overwhelmed by slender-sickness and passed out, and one has a confirmed alias, Tim as Masky

Both Jay and Tim have something connecting TO to their childhood... Alex does not...

Alex is being stalked by TO, had fled again and again, and carries a gun...

Alex killed a guy (likely in self-defense thinking it was Jay) and we all became polarized against him... Like the footage would want...

Guys... What if Alex is the hero?

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Omberto wrote:
TO messes with Jay and Tim, but doesn't take or kill then...

Jay and Tim have been overwhelmed by slender-sickness and passed out, and one has a confirmed alias, Tim as Masky

Both Jay and Tim have something connecting TO to their childhood... Alex does not...

Alex is being stalked by TO, had fled again and again, and carries a gun...

Alex killed a guy (likely in self-defense thinking it was Jay) and we all became polarized against him... Like the footage would want...

Guys... What if Alex is the hero?


I disagree here. Given the evidence we have, it's more likely that Tim and Alex are the ones who have had TO experiences since childhood, not Jay. Not that I find it terribly unlikely that Jay may have been stalked the whole time as well, but strictly going by the evidence presented, we can't say that for sure yet.

That said, I think they're all trying to "be the hero" and solve the mystery, because I don't think any of them really remember enough of anything besides what's filmed on tape to make informed decisions.

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Omberto
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Sha Noran wrote:
Omberto wrote:
TO messes with Jay and Tim, but doesn't take or kill then...

Jay and Tim have been overwhelmed by slender-sickness and passed out, and one has a confirmed alias, Tim as Masky

Both Jay and Tim have something connecting TO to their childhood... Alex does not...

Alex is being stalked by TO, had fled again and again, and carries a gun...

Alex killed a guy (likely in self-defense thinking it was Jay) and we all became polarized against him... Like the footage would want...

Guys... What if Alex is the hero?


I disagree here. Given the evidence we have, it's more likely that Tim and Alex are the ones who have had TO experiences since childhood, not Jay. Not that I find it terribly unlikely that Jay may have been stalked the whole time as well, but strictly going by the evidence presented, we can't say that for sure yet.

That said, I think they're all trying to "be the hero" and solve the mystery, because I don't think any of them really remember enough of anything besides what's filmed on tape to make informed decisions.


Believe me, I want to trust Tim, but the hiding of this tape, and knowing Jay has been an unreliable narrator has got me questioning it all.

Alex openly flees TO, last time we had TO threaten Jay, Tim no-sells Slendy's power while Jay is comatose for 3 weeks. I know we have these pills as an explanation, but Masky's "LIAR" comments have me wondering. Just as easy, Slendy could have recognized Tim and just let him go. Tim's working to get to Alex as a double agent from inside Jay's productions, and now Jay is tweaking and having more lapses in memory, so who knows!

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 		I dunno if its so easy to say Alex openly flees TO, for example the Entry where he seems to be trying to summon TO into his room with the frantic drawing, and he appears and teleports Alex away after he falls asleep. Or the Entry where Alex actively seeks TO out in the woods after telling Jay that its better if he not know where Alex lives. Or the Entry where Jay sneaks into Alex's house while Alex is taking out his garbage and TO appears not only outside the window but also IN THE HOUSE and Alex barely reacts as Jay flees in terror. Just a few examples.

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