Return to Unfiction unforum
 a.r.g.b.b 
FAQ FAQ   Search Search 
 
Welcome!
New users, PLEASE read these forum guidelines. New posters, SEARCH before posting and read these rules before posting your killer new campaign. New players may also wish to peruse the ARG Player Tutorial.

All users must abide by the Terms of Service.
Website Restoration Project
This archiving project is a collaboration between Unfiction and Sean Stacey (SpaceBass), Brian Enigma (BrianEnigma), and Laura E. Hall (lehall) with
the Center for Immersive Arts.
Announcements
This is a static snapshot of the
Unfiction forums, as of
July 23, 2017.
This site is intended as an archive to chronicle the history of Alternate Reality Games.
 
The time now is Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:16 am
All times are UTC - 4 (DST in action)
View posts in this forum since last visit
View unanswered posts in this forum
Calendar
 Forum index » Chaotic Fiction » Marble Hornets
[VIDEO] Entry #76
Moderators: Giskard, JKatkina, Zarggg
View previous topicView next topic
Page 21 of 63 [937 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, ..., 61, 62, 63  Next
Author Message
Janthran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Jun 2013
Posts: 91

Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:07 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Malckeor
Decorated


Joined: 28 Feb 2012
Posts: 246
Location: Turkeyland, Land of Gobblers

Marble Hornets wrote:
Marble Hornets ‏@marblehornets 11 Jan

there's not a single thing on here that Jay could theoretically get mad at Tim for besides the fact that Tim didn't tell him about Jessica


You also need to take into account that Jay is on the verge of going bat-shit insane. He's losing it. I have a pretty good feeling that his emotions are out of whack right now.


Also, I just want to say, 76 definitely took place between 32 and 33. There's no doubt about it.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:14 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Serum
Guest


Janthran wrote:
Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?


Maybe, but I'm still not convinced "Tim" is in full control of "Masky." He might remember bits and pieces of being Masky, but whether or not he's in total control of his actions and the consequences of being Masky is still up for debate.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:16 pm
 Back to top 
Marble Hornets
Entrenched


Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 946

Janthran wrote:
Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?


Nothing in this entry proves that (or even hints at that), although I agree it's likely that he remembers it

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:17 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
UnQuantifiable
Veteran


Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Posts: 113
Location: The Village.

I'll reiterate for those who missed my post from before. Tim doesn't know about his actions as Masky since before looking up Marble Hornets on the internet. He now knows what happens thanks to Jay's entries. Understandably he's pissed about it. It continues but he still doesn't remember. Sort of like watching yourself drive from the backseat (and nobody likes backseat drivers Razz). Tim looking all worried and sad at the beginning of 75 was probably cause he recently remembered about Jessica on that tape. Somewhere in the late 60's or early 70 entries is when Tim begins to remember his actions. I don't think it's as early as 33 (when 76 took place). It was much later.
_________________
Breathe in, Breathe out. More village!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:17 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
rab1s
Greenhorn


Joined: 10 Jan 2013
Posts: 3

Holy crap. Awesome entry

I have a few thoughts though.

I dont think Jessica is dead. Hear me out.

We never saw her actually be killed.
"But the opperator took her!"
Yes but remember what happened to our friend Tim at the tunnel when he dawned the chest cam? He seemed to be taken. He even saw that guy that was beaten. But he made it back out.

Now i know that Tim's meds have magical powers against Slendy but what if shes in there, trying to fight her way out. Or maybe shes already out. TTA seems to think shes still alive. If this is 2 years ago, then by the time TTA said "Shes out there" a whole lot of time has passed.

Or maybe, since Jay is now on the meds too, maybe him (with or without Tim) will willingly be "Operated" and try to pull Jessica out as a Finalle. I dont know about you but i think that'd be awesome

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:20 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
TheOperator
Unfettered


Joined: 20 Nov 2012
Posts: 711
Location: You don't wanna know

geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
He had to have known by that point. Tim and Jay were already close to College Town in #69 which is pretty far from Tim's house near Rosswood. I don't think he'd have any time to drive all the way back to Rosswood to look at a tape while schleping around a non-coherent Jay.


Jay was still coherent between #69 and #72. They found the burned tapes in late April, then didn't go to Alex's house until early June, since Jay was spending so long getting what footage he could off the tapes. I think Tim would have had the chance to drive to Rosswood and back in that space of time, if he had only been shown the tape some point after #69. If Jay called him up, he could make up some excuse.

Although thinking more deeply about it, it doesn't really add up. What if Jay calls him up for some urgent reason while Tim's on the road for weeks in order to go hide a tape? It would make more sense to just hide it somewhere in College town. So I'm not sure. Tim didn't seem to be lying when he said that about Jessica and I don't think he'd so casually say something so dishonest either. It begs the question when and where exactly he saw that tape.

Marble Hornets wrote:
I also think they screwed up having hoody come from the other side of the tunnel. I don't think it was intentional in the sense that hoody has some way of getting there and back without getting operated on, I think it was just something they didn't consider when filming.


Jessica was over there for a little while before encountering TO. Jay also was sitting there for a while in #50. Just because it's dangerous doesn't mean Hoody can't spend any time over there at all. Plus he's crazy enough to run towards Alex while Jessica's got a gun, so he's probably crazy enough to lie in wait in such a dangerous place as well.

Marble Hornets wrote:
Having rewatched season 3 in it's entirety last week or the week before, this entry really has no impact on anything. At best you can kill an hour trying to figure out where exactly this fits in (after 52 or after 32) but past that there's not enough here to make any new discoveries.


Now that we know what the tape actually contains, I'd say there's a lot of rewatch value for entries Tim's in. Is he saying and doing these things in the knowledge that Jessica was Operated on? Or has he not seen the tape yet? How many of his scenes is he being honest in and how many is he holding the truth back in?

Marble Hornets wrote:
Another thing. Twice before we've seen the operator come to help alex when he was in trouble. When jessica points the gun at him he's nowhere to be found. When hoody's beating the shit out of him he's nowhere to be found.

But Alex somehow gets away from hoody, and Jessica gets caught shortly after. Why would the operator at this moment potentially let Alex take a bullet or an ass whooping, but not before? OOG error, or IG plot point we haven't seen yet?


TO can take a little while to show up and scare away Alex's attackers. In #45, Tim came close to bashing in Alex's brains with a rock and in #67, Hoody took a few moments to shoot Alex. f Hoody had pulled the trigger faster, that would've been it for Mr. Kralie. And let's not forget Hoody had already whacked Alex in the head with a pipe, tied him to a chair and then allowed Tim to punch him repeatedly. And in #52 we don't even know if he showed up at all while Masky was attacking him.

Janthran wrote:
Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?


Given there's no evidence of this whatsoever, there's no need for it to be true since Tim could've just watched the tape and they go to such great lengths to show Tim's grief over not remembering his masky state in #59, I'll have to say no.

rab1s wrote:
Or maybe, since Jay is now on the meds too, maybe him (with or without Tim) will willingly be "Operated" and try to pull Jessica out as a Finalle. I dont know about you but i think that'd be awesome


That'd be awesome, as long as she's not a damsel in distress again.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:37 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Marble Hornets
Entrenched


Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 946

Like I said in another topic, about 2 weeks ago I rewatched season 3 with the notion that Tim was lying about pretty much everything he said. Nothing really major came of it.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:46 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
kralyk
Boot

Joined: 20 Nov 2012
Posts: 63
Location: Czech Republic

WOW! What an entry!

There's seriously some excellent filmmaking in this entry, as well as acting.

Janthran wrote:
Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?

Well, no, not at all, sorry.

In my opinion Tim is ashamed of what happened that night, he might feel guilt for not saving Jessica and/or for operating covertly in Masky state of mind.

But that doesn't mean he remembers what he had done, he might have learnt that through the tape.

My personal bet is that he remembers bits & pieces, glimpses, feelings,... Like when you wake up from a vivid dream but are unsure as to what was actually going on.

By the way, someone mentioned Masky & Hoody knocking Jessica down in order to save her from the hotel. I don't think they needed to knock her down, imho she was already KO by The Oppy, remember his assault on her appartment. Hoody & Masky probably knew Alex & Oppy would attack Jessica and/or Jay in the hotel and went on a rescue mission to save them. IMHO.

[/rant]

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:48 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
TheOperator
Unfettered


Joined: 20 Nov 2012
Posts: 711
Location: You don't wanna know

kralyk wrote:
My personal bet is that he remembers bits & pieces, glimpses, feelings,... Like when you wake up from a vivid dream but are unsure as to what was actually going on.


Entry #77, Tim wakes up in someone's house, holding a knifed pumpkin in his hands?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:58 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Janthran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Jun 2013
Posts: 91

Serum wrote:
Janthran wrote:
Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?


Maybe, but I'm still not convinced "Tim" is in full control of "Masky." He might remember bits and pieces of being Masky, but whether or not he's in total control of his actions and the consequences of being Masky is still up for debate.

Someone in an earlier thread was arguing that Masky was separate because of his limp. "It's psychological" or something
But we clearly saw him limping after he took off the mask.
also what about that whole speech he gave in 75?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:30 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
DHawk314
Entrenched


Joined: 17 May 2011
Posts: 1087

I think it's jumping the gun a bit to say this proves Tim and Masky aren't separate personas. At the end of the entry we see Tim on frame, and take the mask off. He seem confused. To me, the implication was that he then found the camera and watched the tape on the camera, but doesn't remember actually doing what he did on it as Masky.

To those who say that Tim said that he didn't have a camera to watch the tapes from 2006 in Entry #54, there are countless possible explanations for that. For instance perhaps it's a different kind of camera and a different kind of tape. But the most likely is that Entry #54 takes place 2 years after this and it's possible Tim just straight up lost the camera, or since it's Hoody's that he took it back. Frankly, why would he keep it for two years after he watched the tape? He may have just watched the footage there in the park, took the tape, and left the camera.

So what's my theory? I think saying Tim was lying about not remembering being Masky is kind of a stretch. It would mean he was playing Jay this whole time, which would just generally be kind of convoluted. I think Tim watched the tape, but didn't mention it to Jay when they met in Entry #53 because Jay was claiming to just be some guy remaking a movie. Why would he care about some girl Tim took into the woods where she died(?)? Tim had no idea Jay was even connected to the whole thing.

The only flaws in this theory are that Alex says to Jessica "It's all Jay's fault" on the tape, but there are a lot of Jay's in the world, it didn't have to be the one he and Alex worked on the movie with, from Tim's perspective. I don't blame him for not making the connection. And of course if Tim knew Alex was a crazy murderer, wouldn't he be more suspicious of helping Jay finish Alex's movie? That flaw's a little harder to work out, but it's possible that he genuinely thought Jay didn't know and had good intentions, until he eventually became suspicious. Or perhaps he didn't know that the Alex on the tape who killed Jessica was the same Alex as the one who made Marble Hornets - perhaps he forgot what Alex looked like? I know that's a bit of a stretch but Jessica forgot where she lived, so it's plausible.

Overall, I doubt these micro questions will ever be answered, but I do think it'll turn out Tim was't lying about not remembering being Masky. This, in my opinion, works very elegantly, as totheark/Hoody only started calling Tim a "Liar" after Entry #59. Which of course, could be attributed to this line of dialogue.

Quote:
Jay: There's this girl, named Jessica. She's disappeared and I know Alex has something to do with this.

Tim: Oh, you do? How do you know that? Who exactly is Jessica, huh? Somebody you met in a hotel once? Somebody you've spoken to for a grand total of twice? How do you have any proof that Alex had anything to do with her disappearing, because, as far as I know, she was doing fine until she met you. Maybe Alex isn't even the problem, maybe you're the problem!


Even if nothing he says is technically a lie, it's definitely a lie by omission, since he implies there's no reason to think Alex had anything to do with Jessica disappearance. This is only made worse by the fact that he accuses Jay of being responsible for her disappearance. After all, even if it was in his Masky state, he was very clearly responsible, at least in part.

The lie by omission continues of course. From Entry 63:

Quote:
JAY: ...I need to find out what happened to Jessica!
TIM: Do you have any idea how long it's been since you've seen Jessica?
JAY: For a while!
TIM: It's been a year and a half!
JAY: I know.
TIM: That's a long time!
JAY: I know.
TIM: Do you know where she is? Do you know if she's even still alive??
JAY: I just want to find out what happened to her! Maybe it can help us if I know if she's alive or dead! It's kind of my fault that she's in this mess in the first place!
TIM: OK. Yeah, yeah! We've got a bigger problem to deal with right now. There's somebody out there who's an immediate threat to both of us!
JAY: Someone who's probably watching us right now, now that you mention it!
TIM: Probably! They know where I live! We need to deal with it right now, and if we do that, then, sure, I'll help you find Jessica. Whatever it is I've gotta do. …Deal?


The first bolded part of the quote shows the lie by omission, he knows very well what happened to Jessica. But the second part is even more telling. He wanted Jay to help him stop Hoody after he broke into his house and took his pills. And more recently, he seems to have wanted to stop Alex, as it's been shown Alex is trying to hunt them down and kill them both. But Jay only agrees to help Tim at the hope that Tim will then help him find Jessica.

Perhaps this sheds some light onto why Tim lied. Tim needed someone to be on his side, who understood their situation. Jessica being out there motivated Jay. Perhaps this is why he said Jay should see the tape, just not yet, and that it'd ruin everything they worked for. Or perhaps Jay was right in this tweet.

"I can't help but think, what if Tim WAS hiding it for a reason and I'm better off not watching it? Or was he just lying to cover for himself"

He clearly wasn't hiding it for Jay's own good, but perhaps he really was lying about it ruining what they worked for? Perhaps he simply didn't want Jay to know he was partly responsible for Jessica's disappearance, albeit in a Masky state. Of course if Tim had just shown Jay the tape to begin with, Jay probably would have kept working with him. It's the fact that he lies that leads to the mistrust, the suspicion is only exemplified by the things he did in his Masky state, and by feeding Jay the pills without his consent. Tim is a liar, but I still don't believe he controls Masky, and probably did have good intentions about the pill thing.

And of course it's only made worse by this quote from Entry #66:

Quote:
Tim: That's it. No more secrets.


Now that is just a plain old lie.

I offered up a lot of possibilities here, but personally I think Tim's thought process was this: In Entry #59 he was furious at Jay for lying to him. Note that Tim hadn't lied to Jay up until then. He probably didn't feel like Jay was entitled to the truth. There was also likely an element of him shifting the blame to Jay that had to with his guilt about his involvement, which he was probably in some form of denial over.

In Entry #63 he's still angry it Jay. He still doesn't think he deserve the truth, and he doesn't stop being angry at him until Jay agrees to help him under the condition he help him find Jessica. Tim has backed himself into a corner. He couldn't tell Jay, he was too afraid he wouldn't help him anymore, and then he just kept lying, because things were going relatively well, and he didn't want to disturb their uneasy alliance, which as I remind you, he needed.

I think Tim's fault was probably not revealing it to Jay shortly after that, at least before he told Jay they had no more secrets. He should have shown Jay earlier, certainly before they went on the road running from Alex together.
_________________
I was just lurking around the forums and i have no idea who MH is

I'm in here sometimes: http://tinychat.com/thehoodyhub


PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:34 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Serum
Guest


Janthran wrote:
Serum wrote:
Janthran wrote:
Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?


Maybe, but I'm still not convinced "Tim" is in full control of "Masky." He might remember bits and pieces of being Masky, but whether or not he's in total control of his actions and the consequences of being Masky is still up for debate.

Someone in an earlier thread was arguing that Masky was separate because of his limp. "It's psychological" or something
But we clearly saw him limping after he took off the mask.
also what about that whole speech he gave in 75?


Also, we know Masky can drive, as when we saw him without his mask on after Tim got dragged through the Dark World after being teleported out of the tunnel by Oppy and Jay watched helplessly as unmasked Masky drove away-- he was clearly in Masky mode, verbally unresponsive, dark circles under the eyes, psychotic and violent behavior...

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:15 pm
 Back to top 
Amethyst.64
Decorated


Joined: 27 Aug 2013
Posts: 180
Location: UK

Marble Hornets wrote:
Janthran wrote:
Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?


Nothing in this entry proves that (or even hints at that), although I agree it's likely that he remembers it


I'd argue that the way he casually takes off the mask at the end hints at it...

Also - 'truly your fault'
Would appear TTA and Alex agree on it being Jay's fault, I'm not quite sure why.

And while I'm here, I would laugh so hard if 'She's out there' is talking about Sarah

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:17 pm
 View user's profile Visit poster's website
 Back to top 
Marble Hornets
Entrenched


Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 946

Amethyst.64 wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Janthran wrote:
Anyway, can we all agree that Tim remembers his masky state now?


Nothing in this entry proves that (or even hints at that), although I agree it's likely that he remembers it


I'd argue that the way he casually takes off the mask at the end hints at it...

Also - 'truly your fault'
Would appear TTA and Alex agree on it being Jay's fault, I'm not quite sure why.

And while I'm here, I would laugh so hard if 'She's out there' is talking about Sarah


Well the mask has to come off some way, right? It can't always just slide off his face.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:31 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 21 of 63 [937 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, ..., 61, 62, 63  Next
View previous topicView next topic
 Forum index » Chaotic Fiction » Marble Hornets
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group