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Dreveth
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 		What if the Operator is incapable of killing?

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 		Maybe TO is perfectly capable of killing everyone himself but is just too lazy and gets people like Alex to kill them and bring them to him instead. He could destroy humanity itself if he chose to do so, but doesn't just because he can't be bothered to wander far from his tunnel if it's not an emergency.

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TheJoker wrote:
Maybe TO is perfectly capable of killing everyone himself but is just too lazy and gets people like Alex to kill them and bring them to him instead. He could destroy humanity itself if he chose to do so, but doesn't just because he can't be bothered to wander far from his tunnel if it's not an emergency.



that's even worse than not being able to kill ppl lmao

i think at this point i'd have to know his motive to fear him whatsoever. cause right now, in my mind, he's just some alien being that lets off radiation that harms both people and electronics, and has the power to teleport in time and space.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
i think at this point i'd have to know his motive to fear him whatsoever. cause right now, in my mind, he's just some alien being that lets off radiation that harms both people and electronics, and has the power to teleport in time and space.


That's where I can agree with you. The Operator needs more motive then being Alex's other-worldy henchmen. The only thing that makes me even respond to his appearance anymore, is the sudden jolt of sound whenever he's on screen. I don't want a full fledged origin story for him, cause that'll kill his mystery and the eerie allure he has. Just a motive, intent and purpose for interacting with everyone in the first place (seems like with all his power, weak beings like us would be beneath him).

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Dark Harvest has established some kind of backstory with him, so thats kind of cool. Tribe Twelve even has a bit of a other-dimension gang thing going on with him. In other stories he's just kinda, there. Mostly as a background character and no story of his own.

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 		In all honest, I would be surprised if we get TO's real motives, but I was playing round with an idea after seeing these posts.

So, I was thinking something along the lines of TO kills people to feed off their "life-force."
That made me think of Ryuk, the Shinigami, from Death Note (Shinigami are gods of death which prematurely kill humans and inherit their remaining years, if you haven't read/seen it)
Then on the wikipedia page for Shinigami is the phrase "The Yama, the king of the Underworld, as well as oni like the Ox-Head and Horse-Face are also considered a type of Shinigami."
YAMA...

So I just thought that it was an interesting coincidence, probably nothing though.
Also, sorry if someone else has noticed this.

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UnQuantifiable wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
i think at this point i'd have to know his motive to fear him whatsoever. cause right now, in my mind, he's just some alien being that lets off radiation that harms both people and electronics, and has the power to teleport in time and space.


That's where I can agree with you. The Operator needs more motive then being Alex's other-worldy henchmen. The only thing that makes me even respond to his appearance anymore, is the sudden jolt of sound whenever he's on screen. I don't want a full fledged origin story for him, cause that'll kill his mystery and the eerie allure he has. Just a motive, intent and purpose for interacting with everyone in the first place (seems like with all his power, weak beings like us would be beneath him).


Heh, I disagree strongly with both of you. As I said before, what makes him work is that he's just so unknowable. I'd like a hint of a motive, but I think a full disclosure or even further elaboration then a hint would kill my intrest in the series stone cold dead. He's so inhuman and so unknowable, so like and yet so unlike us - and when he attacks his victims, you can't even tell the expression on his face? Sadistic pleasure? Cold deatachment? For me, that's where the horror of the series lies.

I doubt the boys will ever really go into detail about his origins or his overall intentions, instead the story of Marble Hornets will probably be about the effect his presence had on those he encountered - and for me, that's fine.

I do hope in the future we do get another scene like in the park during the filming of Marble Hornets in which we see Alex or even Jay or Tim (trying to help out his new friends) trying to wade this mysterious stranger who seems to be following them everywhere. Filmed as hearing one-side of a conversation we'd never ever ever hear the other side of, in which Alex, Jay or Tim are trying to calmly wade this guy off calmly and their apparently having a normal conversation with The Operator, but one we can't hear the other side of trying to persuade him to leave. Not in a bwwhaaa evil horror forboding monster replying kind of way, but just a simple everyday conversation between people, just that we can't hear the other side of. It could be 'naff of course, but if there's anyone who could pull it off, it would be Troseph.

On a side note, it's actually really intresting that Troseph revealed that they may not expand upon The Operator's origins and that Alex's retelling of The Operator's apparent origins was nothing more then his own frustration.

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 		Eh, as long as they establish some kind of motive for him being there. Cause he's just a, thing, that happens to be there. All he really has done was scare people off at a critical juncture, messing with their memories while he's at it. He's been down-pegged to Alex's lacky or henchmen. To me, honestly, for a group of people that tried to popularize the character, they somehow turned The Operator into a minor character at best in the Marble Hornets Story. I'm sort of disappointed really. The only thing that keeps me going in this series is the story between Jay, Alex and Tim.
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Jordan wrote:
UnQuantifiable wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
i think at this point i'd have to know his motive to fear him whatsoever. cause right now, in my mind, he's just some alien being that lets off radiation that harms both people and electronics, and has the power to teleport in time and space.


That's where I can agree with you. The Operator needs more motive then being Alex's other-worldy henchmen. The only thing that makes me even respond to his appearance anymore, is the sudden jolt of sound whenever he's on screen. I don't want a full fledged origin story for him, cause that'll kill his mystery and the eerie allure he has. Just a motive, intent and purpose for interacting with everyone in the first place (seems like with all his power, weak beings like us would be beneath him).


Heh, I disagree strongly with both of you. As I said before, what makes him work is that he's just so unknowable. I'd like a hint of a motive, but I think a full disclosure or even further elaboration then a hint would kill my intrest in the series stone cold dead. He's so inhuman and so unknowable, so like and yet so unlike us - and when he attacks his victims, you can't even tell the expression on his face? Sadistic pleasure? Cold deatachment? For me, that's where the horror of the series lies.

I doubt the boys will ever really go into detail about his origins or his overall intentions, instead the story of Marble Hornets will probably be about the effect his presence had on those he encountered - and for me, that's fine.

I do hope in the future we do get another scene like in the park during the filming of Marble Hornets in which we see Alex or even Jay or Tim (trying to help out his new friends) trying to wade this mysterious stranger who seems to be following them everywhere. Filmed as hearing one-side of a conversation we'd never ever ever hear the other side of, in which Alex, Jay or Tim are trying to calmly wade this guy off calmly and their apparently having a normal conversation with The Operator, but one we can't hear the other side of trying to persuade him to leave. Not in a bwwhaaa evil horror forboding monster replying kind of way, but just a simple everyday conversation between people, just that we can't hear the other side of. It could be 'naff of course, but if there's anyone who could pull it off, it would be Troseph.

On a side note, it's actually really intresting that Troseph revealed that they may not expand upon The Operator's origins and that Alex's retelling of The Operator's apparent origins was nothing more then his own frustration.


I think they were getting at the "origin story" was just a way to have alex convince jay to follow him into the woods further.

While I agree that the lack of known factors is what makes him creepy, it just isn't enough anymore, mainly because we see that all the characters are still fine. Sure they have trust issues and lose their memories, but they are all relatively fine. Whenever they are physically injured, it's not the operator's doing. His biggest threat is wiping away your memory and teleporting you to an area you don't know, leaving you no way of knowing how to get home or where home is for that matter.

Even then, it's not life threatening, it's just a HUGE inconvenience. We still don't even know if Alex's actions are in line with the operator's motives. Alex may very well just be crazy and wants to kill anyone innocent involved so they don't have to go through what he does.


Interesting and scary are two different things for me, and I see the operator as solely interesting at this point.

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 		Since we're talking about it, I actually have a couple theories about The Operator and Alex. Should I put 'em here, or start another thread, or is there an existing one I should post in?

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SilentMedusa wrote:
Since we're talking about it, I actually have a couple theories about The Operator and Alex. Should I put 'em here, or start another thread, or is there an existing one I should post in?


Just post them here. Current entry thread is usually used to discuss the series at large. It's pretty much been this way for all the entry threads.

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 		Don't we have a Season 3 general discussion thread? A theory would most appropriately go there, but you'd have to dig it up so you might as well post it here instead.
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Beidah wrote:
Don't we have a Season 3 general discussion thread? A theory would most appropriately go there, but you'd have to dig it up so you might as well post it here instead.


There is, but nobody uses it. You can post there, but you will get far less replies.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
SilentMedusa wrote:
Since we're talking about it, I actually have a couple theories about The Operator and Alex. Should I put 'em here, or start another thread, or is there an existing one I should post in?


Just post them here. Current entry thread is usually used to discuss the series at large. It's pretty much been this way for all the entry threads.


Okay; just thought I should check. Large post ahoy!

My Theories On The Operator: My first theory is it's motive: food. I believe TO feeds on the negative emotions of humans. Fear, anger, despair, etc. That's why it does what it does to people. To create those feelings, and then feed from the targeted person. I'm not sure if it's the actual feelings, or the effect they have on people that are actual fuel for it. I believe in Return TO had already fed on Jay, and that's why a) he looked so bad, and b) it walked past him without paying him any mind. He was basically an empty wrapper at that point. I think it might have done the same thing to Tim in Entry #65. This would also explain why in the greater Mythos he targets children; they'd be a good source of pure, undiluted fear.

Next theory: why it might need Alex. Watching the Entries again, it seems that we never see more than one person suffering the wost effects of exposure at a time. For example, in #64, Tim was too debilitated to even try to get away, and Jay was all but unaffected. Their roles were reversed in #72. This has lead me to think that TO can only 'work' on one person at a time. Whether it's destroying memories or causing blood-drawing coughing fits, it has to focus all its power -and attention- on one person at a time. That's why Jay escaped in #64; it was focused on Tim, and couldn't stop Jay. And that's why TO just up and left in #72 after Tim confronted it; it was focused on Jay (which is why he didn't seem to moving or trying to breathe). When Tim stepped in you see two things happen: Jay starts coughing, gasping, and generally showing signs of life, and TO turns to face Tim -taking some of its focus off Jay. Tim's pills were only partially responsible for him doing so well; TO's attention was split, and when it realized what was going on it left. Probably vowing to get them later. I think it's possible that because it has to have all its focus one one person at a time in order to exert its full power on them, TO might be vulnerable at those times. So if it needed to, say, kill a couple of people -living and traveling together constantly- who were trying to interfere with its plans, it wouldn't be able to deal with them using its normal methods. So it would have cause to use a proxy to take care of things for it. This would also explain Alex bringing victims to certain locations; those are places TO feels comfortable letting its guard down.

That brings me to Alex, and why he's in cahoots with The Operator. It's been speculated that TO is using Amy to control him. I think that's true, but the way they mean. The last time we saw Amy, Alex literally put himself between her and TO. I believe he sacrificed himself to save her. The fact that he's apparently been carrying her picture around clinches this for me. Amy is just fine; Alex does The Operator's bidding to keep it that way. If he struck any kind of bargain it was to do TO's dirty work in exchange for keeping Amy completely uninvolved, even though it probably means he'll never see her again.

That's what I came up with, anyway. I'm fully aware that I'm probably wrong. And Tim bless anyone who actually read all of that Laughing .

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Beidah wrote:
Don't we have a Season 3 general discussion thread? A theory would most appropriately go there, but you'd have to dig it up so you might as well post it here instead.


There is, but nobody uses it. You can post there, but you will get far less replies.


That's pretty much what I said at the end of the post...
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Eh, as long as they establish some kind of motive for him being there. Cause he's just a, thing, that happens to be there. All he really has done was scare people off at a critical juncture, messing with their memories while he's at it. He's been down-pegged to Alex's lacky or henchmen. To me, honestly, for a group of people that tried to popularize the character, they somehow turned The Operator into a minor character at best in the Marble Hornets Story. I'm sort of disappointed really. The only thing that keeps me going in this series is the story between Jay, Alex and Tim.


Hey, you guys are probably more knowledgable then I am - I haven't re-watched the series in ages - but I can't really seem to recall since entry #41 onwards in which momment suggested that Alex WASN'T in The Operator's thrall or The Operator had a very strong menal control over him. There's been nothing to really suggest to my mind that The Operator has become Alex's henchman.

Yes, there's the fact that Alex somehow was able to warn Jay and Tim (which could have just been messing with them or he truly regrets what has happened to Jessica) which suggests he's able to resist The Operator's control some of the time or perhaps The Operator just likes to terroise his victims?


For me, The Operator is still very much a considerable and terrifying threat - and let's not forget: he doesn't just erase people's minds, it seems the more people have contact with him, the more they begin to lose vital memories AND their overall mental health begins to detoriate. Is it just a side effect of his presence? Or does The Operator like to see people slowly detoriate over time? Hell, Hoody can't even SPELL things correctly half the time and talks in constant gibberish to get the most basic of points across (or so it seems) For me, that's quite horrific. Entry #75 told us that Jay doesn't even remember most of his life, which is quite chilling (and we don't know why other people are not affected as much as others, Jessica didn't have a lot of all that much and she lost the knowledge of where she lived (of course, this could be put down to being in constant contact with Amy and Alex, who The Operator was may have been stalking Alex in his home town for who knows how long) - while Jay seems to have not have detoriated as rapidly as Jessica.

The Operator is still a very considerable and powerful threat to me in Hornets. (But, I could be wrong)

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