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[Jordan]

The biggest problem Troseph face is how the hell do they reconcile entry #23? It worked when, but I really can't see Tim or Alex having the knowledge to psycologically program someone and given the way it seems to have been done, it just seems too human and mundane for The Operator to be involved. It could work if Hoody wasn't actually someone who was a part of the crew who had this ability and was in some way connected to them.

It might be best if Troseph declares #23 uncanonical at the series's conclusion, other then that, they find some mindblowing way to do it in a way which seems credible. I mean, you could do the following: but having someone in who can psycologically program does take away from what the core of the series seems to be about: a group of ordinary college kids lives who are ruined by their encounter with a supernatural being.

There's also the possibility that The Operator does affect people other then illness and a member of the cast did develop psycological powers, but that just might be a bit far fetched for Hornets.

I mean, you could do the psycological programming angle, but it still has all sorts of problems.

LONG CRACKPOT THEORY HERE.

If Jay was psycologically programmed - to what end? My guess: Jay learnt of a way to escape The Operator's influence and the effects of his presence whilist somehow. During this point, he was still friends with Alex, but he meets with someone who convinces him otherwise and who with Jay's consent programs him to forget everything he has learnt and to act as their agent by exploiting. Jay B goes about his life ordinarly, ,hangs out with Alex, etc - but reports back to his programmer with all that he has learnt.

Things go deeply south and everyone is 'gone' except for Jay. The Operator wants Alex to sacrafice Jay to him, but Alex's last spark of decency pervails and instead Jay is merely slenderwiped to prevent anyone knowing of The Operator (or REALLY crackpot theory time: The Operator actually lent out some of his abilities to Alex during this period of time, in order to make people forget about the strange sheenigans that were going on, and the disapperance of cast members and to get them in line so they would be better sacrafices. Alex actually slendywipes Jay himself in a last act of decency and actually manages to shield Jay's presence from The Operator from while and leaves for his hometown, hoping he can use his abilities to shhield himself away from The Operator. He 'reconciles' with Amy, who has long since thought of ending their relationship due to his weird behaviour and long distance relationships are tough - by using his abilites to control her. Amy actually discovers somehow about what Alex has done and Alex, not in full control of his abilities, knows that his mindwipe is not as strong as The Operator's (and that his on Jay's nearly broke Jay's mind completly) and that a strong enough trigger - such as the possible footage she saw at the beginning of the footage of the camera - might be enough to awaken her knowledge. Eventurally however, Alex's attempts to shield himself from The Operator detoriate (perhaps he needed to be in close proxmity to The Operator or the abilities would eventurally fade?) and The Operator reclaims Alex or is just sadistic and let Alex THINK he could get away) During the wipe, Alex actually learns of Jay's programming, but keeps the knowledge secret from The Operator. The wipe severly messes up Jay's programming, but Alex might be able to salvage something out of it and leaves the tapes in Jay's possession in order, hoping that the programming is messed up enough that Jay WON'T remember what Alex has done, only a way to be protected from The Operator's influence.

One of the lasting triggers is that if anything ever went deeply south, Jay would forget everything to do with Marble Hornets and would just resume until enough time had passed and the heat was off the other surrivors and Jay would rememeber everything. Instead, Jay only remembers the tip of the ice berg (he helped to make a movie called Marble Hornets and a sense of unusual trepidation....) and goes through Alex's footage. The only one who had the ability to deprogram Jay however is either long since dead or has mentally detoriated to the extent which they are of no use, but Hoody attempts to revive Jay's memories by setting up his response channel in a hope of getting Jay to remember what Alex had done to all of them. However, this doesn't work and Hoody tries more direct methods (he and Masky sneak into Brian's house and Hoody has Masky confront Jay in an attempt to really trigger Jay in what had happened, but no avail)

Entry #18 is instead Hoody's warning to Alex that Jay is under their protection and that, by having Masky pose next to, that soon Jay will learn what really happened.

Things become more desperate for Hoody and Masky and Hoody and Masky burn down in attempt to shock him into remembering. Alex, in his own time, see's Jay's apartment on fire and researches Jay online and uncovers the Marble Hornets channel and sends Jay the tape. Masky, reliasing Jay is heading into a trap with Alex, is sent to intercept and protect Jay during seson two. After entry #52, Hoody and Masky believe Jay's mind has been scrambled waaay too many times already and that any knowledge he does have, is of no further use, but something happens to change their minds and Hoody, as a last resort, has Tim reconnect with Jay in an attempt to make him really remember what had happened. Feeling frustated that this doesn't work, without Tim's permission, has Tim revert to Masky to try and really hammer the point home.

Hoody's health begins to detoriate further - and he is shocked at what he has done to Tim. He tells Tim to tell Jay everything in one of his most lucid converstiable states and even if they can't ever reclaim the knowledge, even if Jay's mind is destoryed, he needs to know the truth and make peace with his inevitable death as they have, that Jay shouldn't be living in false hope and should make peace with his immient death, as Hoody has. They couldn't save Jessica, what chance do they have with Jay? Tim, reliasing that his friend's death is near immient, is still hopeful of getting SOMETHING out of Jay (and reeling from the very personal betrayl of Hoody) and reliasing that Hoody's time is near, doesn't want to be left alone again and goes off-plan in a big way. Hoody angry and desperate provides Jay with clues to get at the tape and makes 'Conversion' (an equal reflection on both his detoriating mental health in which he will become nothing more then a vegetable - and he can barely keep his thoughts coherent: he knows Tim is lying to Jay, but also he knows - that Jay is 'lying' in a fashion which he can't discern clearly)

Tim however goes off-plan in a big way and Hoody, reliasing he can't do anything to help Jay, decides that Jay needs to learn the truth, that he shouldn't be living in false hope and should meet his end knowing what will happen or at the very least, will meet his end better informed and be able to stave off. Or perhaps, given his long history of lonlieness and isolation, Tim just doesn't want to be alone after Hoody dies or detoriates mentally where he might as well be dead and. Hoody informs Jay about the tape, angry at his friend's actions and their own guilt in messing Jay about.



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[ReverendJ]

[Jordan]

[Beidah]

[Sha Noran]

@Jordan:

1) There is absolutely 0% chance that the gang would declare an Entry non-canon... For about a million reasons I shouldn't need to explain to a true fellow fan.
2) I can only understand about half of what you're talking about, and the part about psychological programming makes basically no sense even though I understand what you meant.

And to the rest of you:

Are you crazy?? Don't act as if TO is not an important character. Whether he scares you anymore or not is not relevant to his relevance. And don't say that you know he was clearly the root cause of this mess yet still think he is unimportant....like, what? No plot device can be crucial to the plot and irrelevant to it at the same time! You guys aren't making any sense, seriously.

[Sha Noran]

And whether you meant 23 or 24, I have no idea what you are talking about in that regard Jordan.

[Marble Hornets]

[Sha Noran]

People have been saying that he doesn't do anything. If he doesn't do anything then he's irrelevant. This is erroneous, primarily because when he does something, it breaks the camera or fucks the footage beyond playability, therefore we generally do not get to see him do anything. Just because there isn't footage of it doesn't mean he doesn't do anything. This whole series would be a pile of shit if TO wasn't actually doing anything, so.... Fuck, stop detailing this topic like noobs. I swear we haven't discussed anything interesting about 76 at all. Why should we even need to discuss whether or not TO does anything? Rewatch 65, I'm pretty sure he's dragging Tim across the ground while Tim screams in horror and claws at the ground. Who else could've been dragging Tim? Oh, no one? Ok well that's resolved, can we have a non-troll discussion at some point please?

[KTsteve]

All I'm going to say related to this entry is that you're right about Jessica leaving the gun behind, didn't notice that. I still think there's a higher chance of her being alive then dead, but not as much higher.

I'm done reading this drivel... Never have I regretted actually reading the entire thread like you're supposed to more then when Pravado decided to become a film major...

[Jordan]

Sorry about my gibberish guys, my autism decided it was fine time to be all weird again.

One day I shall make sense


(And none of you feel bad. You didn't know )

[Ark is watching]

Because the camera showed Jessica was lightly breathing, I believe it's pretty safe to assume she was alive.

I know people would argue that "not everyone can hold their breath", I feel they would of spoken to Jessica about holding her breath and/or seen she was lightly breathing in the footage. They could have re-shot it in a way that her chest wasn't visible (remember bruce, the way he was laying down hid his chest from view with his feet). Unless this is another canonical error on Trosephim's part and it gets taken down and slightly edited (hey, its happened before, check the TV Tropes page for marble hornets for more info), which I feel they would of noticed and done by now, I feel that its fair to assume this was a deliberate.

[BetaPix]

[Animal]

I'm not sure there's much left to say that isn't already known, i'll just pose some speculation
Hoody and masky are in alliance here. We can kind of see that in season 3 there has been moments where Masky has been brought out by hoody and they seem again to work together, like when they lure jay into the woods, or when hoody and masky team up on alex.

However, it is clear that Tim and hoody are not in alliance. I'm not sure if it is implied that Tim knows hoody identity/intentions, but i'm assuming that he taking the pills is a way for him to avoid becoming masky and therefore avoid hoodys control. (also apparently it helps with oppy as well).

So to me this begs the question....why did hoody want to expose tim for being a liar to jay? To me, this makes it clear that Tim certainly has his own intentions, and that these intentions certainly don't allign with hoodys. My guess is that Tim wanted Jay to have jessica as motivation, to try and get to alex.

If e believe that hoody is a major part of TTA, we know that he wants jay to lead him to the ark...but why turn jay against tim, after spending the time to manipulate having them work together?

just some food for thought

[wassupbro]

[Ark is watching]