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Observations on Locations within the Marble Hornets Universe
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Hunter_Rose1218
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 		Observations on Locations within the Marble Hornets Universe
Has anyone made a simplistic map of the Marble Hornets universe? I don't mean anything elaborate but something with circles and lines denoting which locations are near the other locations? It wasn't until entry 69 that I realized how far the red tower and other locations in the Marble Hornet's shoot were from the the Rosswood park locations. I am assuming this because Jay and Tim stop at a rest area while driving back to the red tower and I believe it's Jay who states that he is sick of driving leading me to believe that there is quite a distance between these two areas (where the Marble Hornet's movie was shot and Alex's hometown which includes the phantom hotel, Rosswood Park, the abandoned hospital/burned annex, and Alex's apartment). If anyone (creators included) could confirm the fictional distances between these two areas in the Marble Hornets Universe it would be appreciated.

The reason I am bringing this up is that I think it's a major clue as to why the operator began harassing the "Marble Hornet" shoot. From Tim's back story we know he spent time in the burnt down annex (which is in Alex's home town). Knowing this it is likely that Tim and Alex both were born in the same town. We also know that the operator is somewhat associated with Rosswood park, the abandoned hospital, and the burnt down annex. This leads me to believe that it was Tim that brought the operator to the shoot only to be noticed (for what I believe the first time) through Alex's camera in entry 12. Early on it was thought that the Marble Hornet's crew was invading the operator's territory and this caused the eventual harassment of Alex by the operator but I'm convinced that it was Tim. There was nothing else in the area of the Marble Hornet's shoot that would have drawn the operator except Tim and maybe Alex. I think Tim and Alex have known each other for long time and I think they went to school together. I think Alex remembers when Tim was taken out of school for his hospital stay at the burnt down annex or at least Alex began to remember these things once the operator started showing up. I also bet the operator is an urban legend/ghost story linked to the town Alex and Tim grew up in just like the legend about the convict and the trees.

I also have a feeling that there is some link with the disappearance of Alex's dog and his involvement with the operator. I think the operator first took out Alex's dog, Rocky, and Alex's first interactions with the operator were taken in revenge for the loss of Rocky. It would explain the disappearance of Rocky much better than a what about the mouse moment where either the writers just forgot about him or wrote him out of the story. Granted animals are hard to film and Rocky may have been removed from the story for logistical reasons but it is never mentioned or even alluded to in later entries which makes me think that it is part of the plot and not an oversight of the creators. Plus if Alex still had the dog it would have been much harder for Jay and Tim to have broken into his house in entry 72. We are also told by Tim in entry 15 that someone or something was leaving dead animals in Alex's front yard this may have been a reference to Rocky's death. So in my theory the time line goes as follows: Alex sees the operator in the park during the Marble Hornet's shoot, Alex then sees the operator when walking Rocky, and at some point after Alex and Rocky confront the operator Rocky is killed/taken by the operator. Once Rocky is gone Alex tries to go after the operator and we get the entries where he tries to confront the operator in the playground. At some point the anomaly in Brian's house is discovered and Alex loses Seth when he tries to confront the operator in the freaky basement linked to Brian's house (entry 22). In conclusion I believe Alex then tried to offer Brian to the operator as a way to appease the operator or as a method to get Seth (or even Rocky) back when he takes Brian to the burned annex in entry 51.

Currently I believe that Alex is trying to fix this mess the best way he knows how but unfortunately this method involves sacrificing people to the operator. I believe Alex thought he had fixed everything up until Amy picked up his old camcorder and saw the operator through its lens. I also believe that the operator originated in Alex's home town and teleported to harass the Marble Hornet's crew when Tim's involvement became known, but to me the teleportation locations in Brian's house are still puzzling. It would be easier to speculate on this if it was confirmed that Tim, Brian, and Alex all were born in the same town and all went to the same school together. Which I believe to be the case but it hasn't been shown in the story up to this point.

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Marble Hornets
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 		Yes there is somewhere on here a map of all the locations. I don't know what topic it's in, but it definitely exists.

They never confirmed it was Brian's house in season 1. They just refer to it as "the house"

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 		You are incorrect. It is Brian's house, which is confirmed in an Entry that I will look up and relay to this thread. They are doing a "behind the scenes" of Marble Hornets bit for the original production and Alex declares it to be Brian's house, and the furniture and the dimensions of the place make it obvious that it is the same place as 16, etc. It is Brian's house. You are relying too heavily on the outdated wiki if you think otherwise.

It is the Entry where they feature the burning forest painting. Alex decides to put it back up, on the back of the couch.

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 		Entry #20! Obviously the same location! It's Brian's house!

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 		I don't think we have an in-game map, but apparently, College Town and Rosswood Town are in different states and are a several days drive.

Out of game, we've got a pretty thorough map of the real world locations.
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=207189072251540920862.0004bd8efa6c83ff98d14&msa=0

There was more discussion about the locations in this thread.

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 		@ Gold Knight
Thanks for the info on the locations thread Gold Knight. That thread was one of the first one's I looked at before I considered making this thread.

This thread is more concerned with making observations within the actual fictional universe of "Marble Hornets" in an effort to try and link some ideas I have into a working theory. As I said before it wasn't until Jay and Tim went back to the Red Tower did I realize that the shooting locations for the Marble Hornets film were so far away from the locations associated in and around Rosswood park. In addition when I put this together it made more sense why Alex was not being seen by Jay. It was because Alex had moved out of Jay's town and maybe even out of Jay's state. It was this information that made me put together the idea that TO comes from Alex's home town and Alex's encounter with TO is not a chance meeting because Alex had disturbed TO's common haunting ground while filming Marble Hornets. It also makes sense why TO appeared in Alex's birthday video.

I am firmly convinced that TO originated in Alex's home town and it's usual haunting grounds are Rosswood Park (especially the tunnel) and the environs around the abandoned hospital/burnt down annex. I also think that Alex didn't know this until Tim brought him to this location during location scouting for Marble Hornets. In a real disturbing way Tim could have been recruited for the film because of his knowledge of this location instead of what has been the standard explanation that Tim was brought in because he was Brian's friend. It would be interesting to confirm when Tim was brought into the Marble Hornets shoot.

I am also wondering how Alex confirmed that the tunnel was the best way to bring people to TO. It seemed in entry 51 Alex first tries to sacrifice Brian at the burnt down annex but at some undetermined point Alex realizes that the tunnel is much more suitable since he leads Jessica to the tunnel instead of bringing her to the burnt down annex. Although this may have been more of a logistics issue since Jessica was closer to the tunnel than the annex at the time she was deposited in Rosswood park by Masky (Tim in his compromised alternate identity) and Hoody.

I wish there was a way to confirm if Alex, Amy, Jessica, Brian, and Tim all grew up together and went to the same school, because I think their shared upbringing is the common link that links them to TO.

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 		I don't think they knew each other when they were younger, or went to school together as kids or something. I think it would be a contrived/forced plot point to throw in now. The link is the original MH shoot, and Alex dragged Amy and Jessica into it either accidentally or intentionally by hooking up with Amy.

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 		This is what I posted in the "Do you trust Tim thread".
I'm posting it here because I believe it's relevant
Sha Noran wrote:
searchanddestroy wrote:
TheSupremeFace wrote:
searchanddestroy wrote:
The whole entry where Tim introduces Alex to the hospital seemed way to coincidental. Alex was already being slender stalked and he just so happens to be lead to the town TO originated from. Alex was slender stalked before he even knew what the hospital was, and then Alex knew to feed brian to TO at that particular spot when it was his first time being there no less. Jay even stated he doesn't know why Alex was at the rosswood town. I don't think it was Tim's fault but rather an accident. But come someone explain to me if this is a coincidence. I love MHs but the story seems weak here.


I believe Tim showed him that place because he was familiar with it, and Alex probably asked for something Abandoned for the setting. Tim probably knew that the hospital was a plausible location

Then how did Alex know TO was going to take brian at that specific location? And why did Alex just so happen to wonder around rosswood park where TO originated?


Maybe not only did Alex not know that would happen, but he also never planned on attacking Brian or Tim. Also, who says Brian got "taken"? My money is still on Brian escaping with Tim, and them first forming their Hoody/Masky alliance. This is why Alex felt he had to turn to Seth to go looking for answers. On top of that, Tim had no idea TO would show up there. At this point he still probably is conditioned to believe that TO is not real and just a hallucination. It is perfectly possible he recommended the hospital because he saw no reason not to recommend a pretty sweet location for what Alex was looking for. Remember, Tim never had many friends before college, and Brian was his good friend, and he was finally finding a group of people to hang out and have fun with.

If Tim is ultimately revealed to be the one who caused all of this, it will be accidental on his part.


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 		@ searchanddestroy
a response to your post
I agree with you that Tim did not intentionally bring TO to the Marble Hornets crew, but I am uncertain of the time frames when Brian disappeared and Seth disappeared. There is something hinky about Brian and his relationship with the operator. I have a big problem as to why there is a slender portal in Brian's old house and that the upstairs doors act as teleportation portals to other areas in the house aside from the slender portal to the creepy basement. This would seem to lead to evidence that Brian had much more interaction with TO then we are aware about.

I believe that Brian is hoody and operating as totheark because of his interaction with TO at the burnt down annex. I also believe he was using Tim as an asset for his operation and maybe didn't really care about Tim's well being but instead used him for muscle and other grunt tasks (keeping tabs on Jay and having him stand sentry at his old house with the slender portal to the creepy basement). I firmly believe that the hoody/masky collaboration is not an alliance and I don't think that Tim had much say in the actions he performed. Personally I have always thought masky was either a slave or a servant to hoody. I don't really have any specific examples as to why I think this but that is my gut feeling of the relationship dynamic between the two.

As to what Tim knows and believes I don't think we can make any assumptions at this time. Either Tim had moved passed his childhood experiences with TO and was able to acknowledge TO as a figment of his childhood imagination but the presence of TO is making him relapse into his old ways, or the information about TO was wiped by the TO after Tim no longer served its purposes, or Tim had never moved passed TO and always remained skeptical about the assurances his doctor's gave him about TO not existing and the its reappearance validates his original fears. I do think it's pretty obvious that Tim realizes he is having some sort of a relapse when he starts to lose time, and this is what finally dissolves his relationship/servitude to hoody. I think the big conflict for Tim now is how will he explain his actions while in his masky persona to Jay.

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 		Why do people assume that Tim's youth mental issues are tied directly to TO. When telling his story, that would have been a pertinent time to bring up "That thing that seems to be following Alex around." But he didn't. Tim was mentally disturbed. His pills somehow dampen the Operator's effect on a person. But it's a bold assumption to say that Tim was haunted by the Operator at a young age. I may be semantics, it doesn't matter really. It just grates my nerves a little every time I see this.

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paladin181 wrote:
Why do people assume that Tim's youth mental issues are tied directly to TO. When telling his story, that would have been a pertinent time to bring up "That thing that seems to be following Alex around." But he didn't. Tim was mentally disturbed. His pills somehow dampen the Operator's effect on a person. But it's a bold assumption to say that Tim was haunted by the Operator at a young age. I may be semantics, it doesn't matter really. It just grates my nerves a little every time I see this.


I don't think they would have brought up all of Tim's mental issues if they weren't somehow pertinent. They would have just left it as seizures and been done with it. I doubt they would have dedicated half an entry to it.

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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
paladin181 wrote:
Why do people assume that Tim's youth mental issues are tied directly to TO. When telling his story, that would have been a pertinent time to bring up "That thing that seems to be following Alex around." But he didn't. Tim was mentally disturbed. His pills somehow dampen the Operator's effect on a person. But it's a bold assumption to say that Tim was haunted by the Operator at a young age. I may be semantics, it doesn't matter really. It just grates my nerves a little every time I see this.


I don't think they would have brought up all of Tim's mental issues if they weren't somehow pertinent. They would have just left it as seizures and been done with it. I doubt they would have dedicated half an entry to it.
They did a similar thing with the "burning people on the trees story." And Tim's mental illness may be pertinent in other ways, as in describing his "split" personalities which gives him at least a partial defense against the Operator's power, as well as giving him a reason to take the medication that has been found to help; possibly by dulling your brain and thought patterns like many medications for mental illness do. I just think it would have been mentioned "I kept seeing that thing. You know the one around Alex?" if it was directly related.

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 		But he basically did. He mentioned having had "hallucinations", said he couldn't remember what they looked like because of his pills, and voiced doubts as to whether they were actually hallucinations at all or whether they were actually "that thing" from the videos. He mentioned all of these things in 66.

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paladin181 wrote:
Why do people assume that Tim's youth mental issues are tied directly to TO. When telling his story, that would have been a pertinent time to bring up "That thing that seems to be following Alex around." But he didn't. Tim was mentally disturbed. His pills somehow dampen the Operator's effect on a person. But it's a bold assumption to say that Tim was haunted by the Operator at a young age. I may be semantics, it doesn't matter really. It just grates my nerves a little every time I see this.


So then it must have also grated your nerves when Tim proclaims that he may have been hallucinating the operator when he was in the hospital in entry 66. I mean Tim states that he may be responsible for TO.

Tim and Jay's exact words from entry 66:

Tim - "When I saw that footage you got from him (Alex). That person (TO) in the background, whatever it was, I couldn't help but think that what if that was what I was seeing when I was in here? What if that was not a hallucination at all?"
Jay - "What are you trying to say?"
Tim - "What if this is my fault?"

I am sorry but I disagree with you that it is a stretch to link Tim's mental issues with the operator.

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 		Not to revive a dead topic, but the location in Entry 79 is a prep school. Here's the link for the place

http://www.stbernardprep.com/

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