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What actually is the ark.
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TheJoker
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 		Don't entirely agree. If the Ark is an alternate dimension and/or the weird dark place from 65, then it's possible that it's just not accessible by normal means and Jay, while he doesn't have any knowledge of how to get there, is somehow the means to reach that other dimension.

Or if TTA believes Jay knows how to get there, maybe it's because he believes there is some way to make Jay remember. Or something.

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wassupbro
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Sha Noran wrote:
Every Entry that comes out just makes me more confident that the ark is the pocket dimension where TO takes people, which we saw in 65. It seems like if they made it something else at this point it would be a lame duex ex machina plot device.


But why would masky (season 1) or hoody (season 2 and 3) wanna go to that dimension?

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But why would masky (season 1) or hoody (season 2 and 3) wanna go to that dimension?


I've always thought that Hoody wants to get there to save the people that were "taken", but not directly killed. Hoody/totheark posted SHESOUTTHERE with a picture of Jessica, who wasn't killed by Alex, just "taken".

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 		When Jessica ran into TO in entry 76 she screams and falls as if there was a hole in the ground, when Tim encountered TO in entry 65 you see him underwater while still in the tunnel even though there is no body of water big enough, and in TTA's display (which is before entry 65) the first shot is of the bottom of a body of water. I think one possible explanation for the ark is the body of water TO sends you through before you enter the slendyverse. We know water is a major theme in MH and TTA is always mentioning it.
Another explanation for the ARK could be the hoody hut from entry 62. It disappears so it could be from another dimension. Also hoody and masky choked jay out in entry 62 and most likely placed him in the hut. There was visual tearing in that entry indicating that TO was near, so hoody/masky could've taken jay there for protection.

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wassupbro
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Vincent wrote:

I've always thought that Hoody wants to get there to save the people that were "taken", but not directly killed. Hoody/totheark posted SHESOUTTHERE with a picture of Jessica, who wasn't killed by Alex, just "taken".


I still think Hoody and Masky are only driven for revenge, be it exposing to Jay who Alex really was or luring Alex out to beat the crap out of him until TO comes

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 		Has anyone considered the ark is a vessel for TO to use in order to completely enter our reality and interact fully with our reality? I'm thinking of this vessel being a human being that is able to interface with TO so it can take over their consciousness and replace it with its own. Alex sacrificing Brian and Jessica to TO could be a way of bringing candidates to TO in an effort to see if they would be suitable vessels (arks) for TO's consciousness. Once this is successful I have no idea what would happen next.

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Hunter_Rose1218 wrote:
Has anyone considered the ark is a vessel for TO to use in order to completely enter our reality and interact fully with our reality? I'm thinking of this vessel being a human being that is able to interface with TO so it can take over their consciousness and replace it with its own. Alex sacrificing Brian and Jessica to TO could be a way of bringing candidates to TO in an effort to see if they would be suitable vessels (arks) for TO's consciousness. Once this is successful I have no idea what would happen next.


Not a bad theory dude, but I think it would lessen TO's nightmare fuel level if he was stuck inside of a weak, frail human form. Suddenly a gunshot to the head destroys him... Was TO inside Alex for 67, and the gun to the head made him leave Alex and appear, as opposed to the commonly held concept that TO appeared to protect Alex? He left Alex to protect himself?

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Hunter_Rose1218 wrote:
Has anyone considered the ark is a vessel for TO to use in order to completely enter our reality and interact fully with our reality? I'm thinking of this vessel being a human being that is able to interface with TO so it can take over their consciousness and replace it with its own. Alex sacrificing Brian and Jessica to TO could be a way of bringing candidates to TO in an effort to see if they would be suitable vessels (arks) for TO's consciousness. Once this is successful I have no idea what would happen next.


I can dig this theory. There are plenty of supernatural and mythological examples of entities needing a human vessel, especially in recent popular culture. I'm not sure whether or not we've seen the Operator interact with anything physically; I cannot recall anything other than the Operator's creepy hand pushing open Alex's door from that season one entry (14, I believe), which represented the single scariest encounter in the series for me.

That interaction could be/have been retconned a bit (officially or otherwise) since the Operator from season two onward doesn't even walk (or, apparently, need to). Though I suppose it could be explained as the Operator HAD some kind of vessel, which deteriorated beyond his/her/its liking, which necessitated Alex's services in procuring him a new one, thus setting up Alex as a villain for the remainder of the series.

Huh, it actually sort of fits rather nicely (at least in my head with a cursory examination of data from my entirely fallible memory of the entries); gives the Operator quantifiable objectives, explains Alex's behavior, and explains why Hoody and Masky would hunt the Ark- they want to prevent the vessel from being filled. It could also explain the apparent falling out between Hoody and Masky- maybe Hoody was willing to go too far to prevent the Operator from becoming fully corporeal (Read: killing the vessel), and Masky objected. Or, which would be more interesting to me, it was the other way around.

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Not a bad theory dude, but I think it would lessen TO's nightmare fuel level if he was stuck inside of a weak, frail human form. Suddenly a gunshot to the head destroys him... Was TO inside Alex for 67, and the gun to the head made him leave Alex and appear, as opposed to the commonly held concept that TO appeared to protect Alex? He left Alex to protect himself?


While that would be an interesting twist (very, very interesting, with far reaching implications as to the erratic behavior of several characters) I don't think that being in a physical, human vessel would necessarily limit the Operator's resilience. As an eldritch abomination worthy of Lovecraft, it's entirely possible that the human shell would lose whatever mortal weaknesses it had when possessed by the Operator, and gains the Operator's abilities with his/her/its essence- i.e., bulletproof, (or whatever it is that protects the Operator as he/she/it is now) teleportation ability, et cetera. If the Operator pours his essence into a vessel and loses all or most of his/her/its power, what is the purpose of doing so in the first place? A specific goal necessitating the direct interaction with the physical plane by the Operator (and only the Operator, else a proxy would do) would be the only explanation for the intentional dilution or removal of the Operator's... abilities. (Hesitant to put a word to the things the Operator does; "powers" or "abilities" seem to small or mundane to describe them).

Just my thoughts on the theory, anyway. Apologies for the mildly lengthy post; when I start going into an idea, I try to make it as clear as possible. Please feel free to correct anything I was mistaken about.

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 		I would be on boat with the whole metaphor for safety and the frequent use of water idea, but there is one phrase that makes me think the "ark" is more sound.

"Where is the ark" from exit.

Where? That makes the ark seem like something more sound than the simple idea of freedom from TO.

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Master of Octopi wrote:
Hunter_Rose1218 wrote:
Has anyone considered the ark is a vessel for TO to use in order to completely enter our reality and interact fully with our reality? I'm thinking of this vessel being a human being that is able to interface with TO so it can take over their consciousness and replace it with its own. Alex sacrificing Brian and Jessica to TO could be a way of bringing candidates to TO in an effort to see if they would be suitable vessels (arks) for TO's consciousness. Once this is successful I have no idea what would happen next.


I can dig this theory. There are plenty of supernatural and mythological examples of entities needing a human vessel, especially in recent popular culture. I'm not sure whether or not we've seen the Operator interact with anything physically; I cannot recall anything other than the Operator's creepy hand pushing open Alex's door from that season one entry (14, I believe), which represented the single scariest encounter in the series for me.

That interaction could be/have been retconned a bit (officially or otherwise) since the Operator from season two onward doesn't even walk (or, apparently, need to). Though I suppose it could be explained as the Operator HAD some kind of vessel, which deteriorated beyond his/her/its liking, which necessitated Alex's services in procuring him a new one, thus setting up Alex as a villain for the remainder of the series.

Huh, it actually sort of fits rather nicely (at least in my head with a cursory examination of data from my entirely fallible memory of the entries); gives the Operator quantifiable objectives, explains Alex's behavior, and explains why Hoody and Masky would hunt the Ark- they want to prevent the vessel from being filled. It could also explain the apparent falling out between Hoody and Masky- maybe Hoody was willing to go too far to prevent the Operator from becoming fully corporeal (Read: killing the vessel), and Masky objected. Or, which would be more interesting to me, it was the other way around.

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Not a bad theory dude, but I think it would lessen TO's nightmare fuel level if he was stuck inside of a weak, frail human form. Suddenly a gunshot to the head destroys him... Was TO inside Alex for 67, and the gun to the head made him leave Alex and appear, as opposed to the commonly held concept that TO appeared to protect Alex? He left Alex to protect himself?


While that would be an interesting twist (very, very interesting, with far reaching implications as to the erratic behavior of several characters) I don't think that being in a physical, human vessel would necessarily limit the Operator's resilience. As an eldritch abomination worthy of Lovecraft, it's entirely possible that the human shell would lose whatever mortal weaknesses it had when possessed by the Operator, and gains the Operator's abilities with his/her/its essence- i.e., bulletproof, (or whatever it is that protects the Operator as he/she/it is now) teleportation ability, et cetera. If the Operator pours his essence into a vessel and loses all or most of his/her/its power, what is the purpose of doing so in the first place? A specific goal necessitating the direct interaction with the physical plane by the Operator (and only the Operator, else a proxy would do) would be the only explanation for the intentional dilution or removal of the Operator's... abilities. (Hesitant to put a word to the things the Operator does; "powers" or "abilities" seem to small or mundane to describe them).

Just my thoughts on the theory, anyway. Apologies for the mildly lengthy post; when I start going into an idea, I try to make it as clear as possible. Please feel free to correct anything I was mistaken about.


You know, The Operator might have a legitimate reason for doing all of this. Maybe it wants to be human. Or be human again.

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You know, The Operator might have a legitimate reason for doing all of this. Maybe it wants to be human. Or be human again.


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If it is truly as simple as that, I would find myself greatly disappointed at the lack of imagination by the creators. The idea of the Ark being a human vessel only works, in my opinion, if there is another purpose behind the Operator needing said vessel; as I mentioned previously, a task requiring physical interaction which only the Operator is suited, or some other kind of MacGuffin. If the Operator's overarching goal is to simply become a human, or become a human again, it would just kill the series for me; it's all of this Sympathy for the Devil stuff that modern writers get into that drives me nuts. Sort of like when they remade "Dracula" for the umpteenth time (specifically, the Francis Ford Coppola adaptation from 1992- "Bram Stoker's Dracula") and made the vicious Count out to be a tortured soul who only wants true love, which he believes he finds in Mina Harker.

Honestly, I firmly believe that writers should (typically) let monsters be monsters; they don't need redeeming qualities to be interesting.


If the above sounded preachy or that I was knocking you, I apologize. I get a little too into fiction at times.

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All this said, there is an enormous amount of speculation involved in this, and I'm sure that the creators aren't going to disappoint.


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Master of Octopi wrote:
thisistheend wrote:


You know, The Operator might have a legitimate reason for doing all of this. Maybe it wants to be human. Or be human again.


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If it is truly as simple as that, I would find myself greatly disappointed at the lack of imagination by the creators. The idea of the Ark being a human vessel only works, in my opinion, if there is another purpose behind the Operator needing said vessel; as I mentioned previously, a task requiring physical interaction which only the Operator is suited, or some other kind of MacGuffin. If the Operator's overarching goal is to simply become a human, or become a human again, it would just kill the series for me; it's all of this Sympathy for the Devil stuff that modern writers get into that drives me nuts. Sort of like when they remade "Dracula" for the umpteenth time (specifically, the Francis Ford Coppola adaptation from 1992- "Bram Stoker's Dracula") and made the vicious Count out to be a tortured soul who only wants true love, which he believes he finds in Mina Harker.

Honestly, I firmly believe that writers should (typically) let monsters be monsters; they don't need redeeming qualities to be interesting.


If the above sounded preachy or that I was knocking you, I apologize. I get a little too into fiction at times.

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All this said, there is an enormous amount of speculation involved in this, and I'm sure that the creators aren't going to disappoint.


It would still be a monster for what it did to the Marble Hornets cast and Alex, you know. But that would make The Operator seem less one-sided to me.

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 		To be honest, I just think that the ark is either the wooded area at the end of the tunnel where The Operator always seems to be, or the alternate dimension that Tim was teleported to. If it is something other than those two, then there really is no reason to speculate about it... Because we aren't going to see it until it is revealed. Although I would hope it would be connected to a location that we have seen before. I wouldn't want something new to be brought upon me.

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 		Perhaps, Hoody has someone he wants to save in the "ark" or slendy dimension...which is his motivation

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 		I must reiterate my inquiry: Shouldn't the title of this thread have a question mark at the end of it? Hell, the title itself looks like it was written by Pravado-- that is to say, a sixth grade girl experiencing her first menstrual cycle. It's an absolute mind-fuck of grammar.

The title should be one of the following three, better titles...

What is the ark? (No need for the useless "actually.")
Mystery of the ark!
The ark, motherfucker, what is it?

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