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Amethyst.64
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 		Please listen when I say that although they've been in a similar number of entries, Brian is, by far more MEMORABLE.
Seth has appeared on the edge of shots, or entered mid-way through a shot, which means he is forgettable.
Non die-hard FANS DON'T KNOW WHO SETH IS.
Like TheJoker said, they'll need to develop Seth's character a lot in the entries before the reveal, and it would be very awkward to do without it looking extremely obvious.

I'm not saying that anyone is or isn't hoody,
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just that this is a problem that Trosephim have to sort out if you are correct


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 		I hear what you're saying, I just don't agree with it whatsoever. Being memorable is subjective. Brian and Seth have the same quality of dialogue (as in, they reveal/contribute nothing important to plot) and the only reason you "remember" brian more is because he has more screen time (which is again, because he was an actor on a movie they were filming using Alex's camera, he is naturally going to be in more shots than the cameraman. Non-hardcore fans won't remember Brian any more than they remember
Seth. They are both background characters that people will forget easily.

You're attributing the likeliness of it being Brian to the amount of screen time he has, and that's not an accurate judgment because no character development was made in the time he was on camera. If there was character development that related to hoody's behavior, I'd be inclined to agree with you. The only character background we have on Brian is that he was friends with Tim prior to shooting MH. That alone is not sufficient evidence to claim he is more likely to be Hoody, as we don't know Hoody's involvement with Tim prior to totheark's "return" which took place 3 years after the initial shooting of the film. Other than that he has no stronger background than Seth.

How many shows do the whole "the killer is someone we know" motif and then have it end up being the person with the least screen time? True Blood and Dexter both did at some point. Lost did it too. Cop shows like Hawaii 5-0 do it all the time.

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Jordan
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 		On a side note, I'm going to rewatch the whole series from scratch tomorrow Smile Well, hopefully.

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 		Well I have non-hardcore friends who know Brian and don't know Seth.

Anyway, I feel we've reached an impasse and there's little point discussing it anymore, seeing as we're disagreeing subjectively.

I'm gonna be disappointed at a Brian/Seth reveal in the next couple of entries though, I want to be surprised by it somewhat.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Non-hardcore fans won't remember Brian either if they don't remember Seth. He only has a few minutes more screen time than Seth at best...


Have to call you out on this one, buddy. Seth has only appeared on screen for a grand total of 32 seconds in the entire series, unless you count Entry #22 as screen time. He has been in three entries alone. Brian, on the other hand, has appeared for more than a minute each in Entries #7, #12 (I think), #51, #54, and #55. This is far more than a "few minutes more screen time."

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 		I'm on my semester break and it really make my day if Troseph uploaded entry #77 over the weekend. Probably won't happen, but, I can dream Smile

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 		@Jordan: Someone hasn't been reading the blog posts.

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I've been writing the script for Entry #77 all this week and we're aiming to shoot this weekend.


Sorry, man. It'll probably come out the weekend after this one.
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 		You guys do realize you're posting out of game stuff in an entry thread, right?

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twistedpuppet wrote:
You guys do realize you're posting out of game stuff in an entry thread, right?


Surely, predicting when the next entry comes out isn't that irrevelant to the current entry thread? Smile

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 		not to get away from the current stuff discussed, but it occurred to me Tim was the last person in the vid, and he looks at the camera I think..so does this mean Tim should still have the camera, or is that the one Hoody has?


Edit-That's stupid, if they were working together of course Hoody has it back, but he looked like he was back in Tim state so I was like, oh what if Tim has it.


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 		Given that Tim kept the tape he most likely kept the camera too. Bet he sold it to the pawn shop from early season 3, there was a case full of camera stuff

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 		Okay, sorry for blowing up earlier. Definitely overreacted a bit. That said...
Marble Hornets wrote:
I hear what you're saying, I just don't agree with it whatsoever. Being memorable is subjective. Brian and Seth have the same quality of dialogue (as in, they reveal/contribute nothing important to plot) and the only reason you "remember" brian more is because he has more screen time (which is again, because he was an actor on a movie they were filming using Alex's camera, he is naturally going to be in more shots than the cameraman. Non-hardcore fans won't remember Brian any more than they remember Seth. They are both background characters that people will forget easily.

Disagree- while Brian is admittedly not some super-relevant ultra-memorable guy, and some viewers may have actually forgotten even him, I'm pretty sure more will remember Brian than Seth, if only as "that one guy who Alex led to TO in 51". Because in 22, again, it's really easy to forget who was with Alex, as Seth is offscreen and there's barely any spoken lines until near the end- that entry was really more about Alex overall than about Seth, whereas Brian was essentially the central character of 51. Even though nothing he said or did was itself plot-relevant, he is so closely tied to the reveal that Alex has been working with TO since 2006 that people will be able to remember him more easily.

Also, while I admit screen time doesn't automatically equal significance, it is worth noting that I'm pretty sure Brian has more screentime in 51 alone than Seth does in the entire series.

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If there was character development that related to hoody's behavior, I'd be inclined to agree with you. The only character background we have on Brian is that he was friends with Tim prior to shooting MH. That alone is not sufficient evidence to claim he is more likely to be Hoody, as we don't know Hoody's involvement with Tim prior to totheark's "return" which took place 3 years after the initial shooting of the film. Other than that he has no stronger background than Seth.


Which is precisely the point. Neither Brian nor Seth was a really developed character, and there isn't a single character who hasn't been ruled out by now that wasn't something of a background character. I'm not saying Brian because he's necessarily the most important so much as because he's the least unimportant.

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How many shows do the whole "the killer is someone we know" motif and then have it end up being the person with the least screen time? True Blood and Dexter both did at some point. Lost did it too. Cop shows like Hawaii 5-0 do it all the time.


And I guess here's where our real disagreement is, because even though tons of TV shows (mainly crime dramas) use that twist, I don't like it. I tolerate it in my crime shows, but I see it as cheap writing to use a random background character who was in no way indicated to have a motive or be connected to the crime as the killer. Seth wouldn't be as bad, because at least there are some (very subtle) clues to indicate he could be TTA, but this isn't a single killer-of-the-week instance, we're talking about the identity of a character that's been a driving mystery since near the start of the series (as TTA, not as Hoody). I feel like this is a situation where a lot of viewers wouldn't be as thrilled with the "random background character" twist.

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Things such as hoody in entry 42, Tim's limp in 45, Tim's face in the window of the building from 52... none of those things are things casuals will pick up on. They are building an in depth story that will require people to go back and watch to understand, case in point with the most recent entry. I have friends who have watched the whole series that couldn't recall who Jessica was.


I'm not sure you're right about what they're trying to do. All of those cases are things which make for a neat bonus when rewatched, but none are essential to the plot. It's cool to notice Tim's limp in 33 (I assume that's what you actually were referring to) or Hoody in 42 or various other cases of foreshadowing throughout the series during a second viewing, but you don't need to see those things the first time around to understand the things they were foreshadowing. You would need to have seen the clues pointing to Seth during a first viewing to appreciate him being TTA as things stand right now.

And they've mentioned they're not interested in doing "big twists" necessarily.

Don't get me wrong, Seth is actually my favorite candidate for TTA, and if they feature Seth as a more significant character in future entries prior to the reveal, I will wholeheartedly jump aboard the "Seth is Hoody" train. But if they were to reveal such a thing as things stand right now, I'd be surprised and maybe a little disappointed. Brian isn't the most interesting candidate, he's just the most likely.

Well, that turned out to be quite a rant. TL,DR: Let's agree to disagree for now.

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On a side note, I'd be very curious to see if someone could compile every time Seth has been mentioned or appeared in the series vs a similar list for Brian, just for comparison's sake.


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 		Not meaning to beat a dead horse or reiterate what I said earlier, but if we're basing the identity of Hoody on prominence or screen time...Amy's face was seen more recently than Brian/Seth/Sarah/whoever the fuck else.

If a casual viewer watches the series all the way through Hoody's reveal (whenever it will be) then they will remember Amy's face more than Brian's because it was shown more recently.
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MariahTedder wrote:
Not meaning to beat a dead horse or reiterate what I said earlier, but if we're basing the identity of Hoody on prominence or screen time...Amy's face was seen more recently than Brian/Seth/Sarah/whoever the fuck else.

If a casual viewer watches the series all the way through Hoody's reveal (whenever it will be) then they will remember Amy's face more than Brian's because it was shown more recently.


It's not who was seen last, but who has more prominence. #51 gives Brian a lot of screen time. He's going to be remembered fairly well, especially since his name keeps coming up and he had quite a few appearance in season 1. Amy had one entry she appeared in, a handful of mentions, and now this photo. She's more prominent than Seth, but still less so than Brian.
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TheJoker wrote:
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On a side note, I'd be very curious to see if someone could compile every time Seth has been mentioned or appeared in the series vs a similar list for Brian, just for comparison's sake.


Seth

Entry #9 - Turns the camera on then back off, gets thoroughly chewed out by a paranoid Alex. Briefly comes into frame during all this.

Entry #20 - Presumably was operating the camera and commented Tim shouldn't have come if he was sick.

Entry #22 - Holds the camera while Alex explores the basement of doom. Eventually gets taken by TO(presumably it's TO, anyway) and is then mentioned by Alex when he's back home. Seth says nothing this whole time. Alex claims only Seth and himself were "left". He also says Seth is "gone" and that he "left him".

Entry #51 - Alex tells Brian while they're approaching the abandoned hospital that himself and Seth happened upon it while looking around.

Entry #54 - Arrives with Jay and Tim outside Tim's apartment in the rain. Seth is soaked and agitated, wiping his glasses. Seth asks where Alex is, is told that he's at home changing shirts, then excuses himself and leaves.
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Probably in the hopes of seeing a topless Alex.
When Alex is at Tim's apartment later, he says that he and Seth had been going over the MH footage.

Entry #56 - While on his way to the three-floored hospital with Tim, Alex says that Seth will come see it later in the day.

Entry #72 - Name appears to be crossed out on one of the pages found in Alex's old house. Weirdly enough, he has no page to himself like the rest of the crew.

Brian

Entry #5 - Alex explains at the gazebo that Brian will come there during the shoot to act out the scene in which he decides to win back Sarah. Later, in the forest near the red tower, Alex talks about a nostalgic campfire scene between Brian, Sarah and possibly Tim that he plans to shoot.

Entry #7 - Rehearses his lines in the car with Alex. Ends up losing focus and laughing because of an unseen female, who Alex seemed to make sure to capture no footage or sound of. Later TO appears in the background and Brian is confused by Alex abruptly ending the rehearsal.

Entry #9 - Half counts, Tim and Sarah are rehearsing a scene in which they discuss Brian's character.

Entry #12 - A female, presumably Sarah, films Alex and Brian walking partway through a field and then coming back.

Entry #15 - Tim mentions Brian was the one who was friends with Alex, not Tim himself. Tim also mentions that he hasn't heard from Brian in a long while.

Entry #16 - Jay calls out Alex and Brian's names numerous times in Brian's abandoned house, obviously to no avail.

Entry #17 - Half counts, Jay (badly) rehearses lines meant for Brian while Tim rehearses his own lines.

Entry #20 - Alex states that the location they're in is Brian's house, although Brian himself is nowhere to be found.

Entry #22 - Stated to be "gone" by Alex.

Entry #51 - Wanders around the abandoned hospital with Alex, getting more and more paranoid that someone will come to arrest them for trespassing as time goes on. Alex later vanishes and Brian encounters TO after finding Tim in one of the rooms. Brian's motionless body is then dragged away by a figure who we only see the legs of.

Entry #52 - Jay says that he doesn't know nor does he most likely want to know what happened to Brian but that Alex probably intended for Brian to be "out of the way". Later, Alex tells Jay "I know you stole that tape from me. The one with Brian on it". Towards the end of the entry, Jay plays a clip of Brian's body being dragged away from #51.

Entry #54 - Joins Alex and Tim in Tim's music room while they discuss a soundtrack. Brian pretty much just fools around for the whole entry. What happens to him when TO dashes into the room is anyone's guess (although it might be of note that at the rate and direction TO was going, he would have run straight into Brian).

Entry #55 - Walks around and poses for Alex's shots, doesn't really do much else.

Entry #56 - Alex mentions that he won't shoot anything at the three-floored hospital without Brian there. He also says Brian will be there tomorrow.

Entry #66 - Tim mentions he met Brian in college and that he was his first friend.

Entry #72 - His name is seen crossed off on a scrap of paper found in Alex's old house.

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