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Jordan
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Having played some of the recent Sonic games, I have to say what I really miss is Sonic's attiude. Sonic is just too friendly and nice and a bit banal now, and I really miss him having some attiude Smile That and who the hell decided that playing Sonic alone was a good idea?

I remember reading the comics and went over them recently while it's a mixture of the good, the great and the bad, the good stuff is particularly good and suprising in the a tie-in franchise (especially the Knuckles comics) and I did like the world building they did for the series. Some of the writers really wanted to do something special special for kids and not just do some quick tie-in title and for that I will always appreciate. They weren't afraid to do deal with quite heavy stuff from time to time, either (how Tails becomes orphaned is particularly heart wrenching, the reason WHY Knuckles is the last of his race, Knuckles's deeply effed up relationship with his Dad, Sally finding her Father and actually having a really difficult relationship with him)

Intrestingly enough, apparently in the comics (which deviates from the games quite a bit), Mobius is in fact a future Earth in which Robotnik's ancestor while working for the government (naturally) dissected an alien from a crashed space ship. In retilation, the aliens basically reset all life on the planet back into what was intended to be a permeant primodel soup (because Earth sucks, basically). Life eventurally did evolve again, but certain animals evolved faster then humans. So, Sonic, Tails and Knuckles are having their epic adventures on the wreck of civlisation as we know it! That's a cheery thought.

However, the whole 'Endgame' storyline is fairly 'naff....a 'mask' tricked everyone into thinking Sonic had killed Sally. A. MASK. Let's attempt to rationalise that, everyone.

Sally was always my favourite after Tails, though and in the comics themselves (never really in the games), I always wondered WHY she'd even be vaugely intrested in such an obnoxious idioit like Sonic. In the games, Sonic was cool and over confidient and it had a charm, but in the comics, they really overplayed it and I just found him obnixious as hell as a kid and couldn't even figure out why Tails idolised him so much.

I did try and watch SATAM....but sadly, it wasn't really my thing, even though there were some nice moments (Sally's funny kiss for Tails, Dulcy calling Sally 'Mom'), though did anyone else find Sally a bit....sexualised? It's like something you'd find on Tumblr. A bit of a suprise after how kick ass, determined and cool she was in the comics.

I did check out some of the recent comics and suprisingly enough, they've gotten really good. Ian Flynn has mellowed Sonic quite a bit, Tails has actually really grown up, Antonie and Bunnie are married (!) and everyone sucks for Knuckles. Because it must. (I found some back issues, but not the recent issues, themselves)

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Serum wrote:


You can look all you want, it's not like it's something I don't do on a daily basis- I mean, uh...



So Serum is a guy then. I knew it.

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Jordan
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Hazman wrote:
TheJoker wrote:

Side note, I've just had a delightful idea. Have an entry set in 2006 which starts with just Alex, and then Sarah walks in wearing the trademark hoody.

And then Brian walks in wearing an identical hoody. And so does Seth. And so does Jay just because. And then Amy swings by to visit Alex and is wearing a hoody. But no one notices one more character wearing a hoody in the background...


Oh god. I could image that being a special feature on the DVD or THAC.


I'd love that, but I'd also love it if they filmed all the various crazy theories which have been posted here (such as Hoody being Jay from the future Smile)

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Hazman
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Yeah true that. A bonus 2nd disk type DVD or something. The "Unforum Theorems" or something

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Hazman wrote:
Serum wrote:


You can look all you want, it's not like it's something I don't do on a daily basis- I mean, uh...



So Serum is a guy then. I knew it.


Or I couldn't find an image of a lesbian running from her gay thoughts.

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TheJoker
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Hazman wrote:
Yeah true that. A bonus 2nd disk type DVD or something. The "Unforum Theorems" or something

A single disk wouldn't even scratch the surface of the loony ideas posted here.

But it would be hilarious if they did something like that. I really want a video where Hoody is revealed as Rocky.

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CraicIsMighty
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I guess I'm the only one who is actively hoping that Hoodie/TTA is a character we haven't met before. I sort of think having Hoodie just be another disgruntled former Marble Hornets cast member like Timasky would be kind of predictable. And considering how much trosephim has been teasing us with Hoodie's identity i would kind of like his/her identity to be more of a surprise than Masky's was. Having it just be Brian, Seth, or Sarah, another MH cast member like Tim, would be really predictable. (Although Seth or Sarah would be less lame and predictable than Brian.) That's why I was hoping it was either Jessica or Amy. But the latest entry proves it can't be Jessica (unless TTA and hoodie are two separate people, in which case she could still be TTA while she's "sleep walking" and I have a harder time seeing it being Amy after recent entries. If Amy really has been Alex's motivation this whole time (which I suppose could not be the case, he might not even care about her anymore for all we know) then it wouldn't make much sense for Amy to be Hoodie since Alex already knows who hoodie is. (Although again, i suppose she could still be TTA since it hasn't actually been confirmed that TTA and hoodie are the same person.) But at the beginning of the season when Jay was loking at the old cameras in the antique shop, some people theorized that they could be the cameras of people who had been slendered. I think it would be cool and way more interesting if Hoodie was the only survivor of another group of people who were plagued by the Operator. Maybe s/he just wants to use Jay to get rid of TO for good or something.

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I'd agree if they hadn't made such a point of Hoody's identity. It would feel cheap to reveal it was someone we'd never even met. I'd love to meet a character from another group who had experiences with TO, but I wouldn't want them to be Hoody.

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I don't see why "predictable" is a bad thing. It means that the story was told in a consistent format. Cheap twists that look like they were pulled from the creator's anus are "unpredictable", but are definitely not a good thing at all. You can't just shove a plot twist in a series for the sake of a plot twist. That's not how good writing works. Hoody can't be someone new because then we wouldn't care about his identity and his mask would be completely unnecessary.
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Well the only characters left who Hoodie could be have had so little screen time that they're hardly even "characters" anyway. I think having it be a new character would not be too cheap as long as there was enough build up to the reveal. But I suppose we might be finding out who it is next entry, if Jay ever gets off his ass and goes to south creek road. I won't be too upset as long as it's not Brian. Brian would not be surprising in any meaning of the term. "Hurr Hurr Masky and Hoodie are Tim and Brian cuz Tim and Brian were friends hurr hurr." But it would be cool if Hoodie wasn't just yet another disgruntled former MH cast member.

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Why do you want it to be a surprise? What I look for in a story is consistency. If you want shitty plot twists, go watch M. Night Shyamalan.
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*facepalm*

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TheJoker
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Hornet, who're you facepalming at? Please specify.

Okay, if Seth is slightly better than a Scooby Doo reveal, then someone brand new would be far worse than any Scooby Doo unless, as Beidah said, it was consistent. They have made a point of hiding Hoody's identity, building up to a reveal. Him being a brand new character would be acceptable if they had previously implied it, or at least not built up the mystery of his identity so much. They've said they're not interested in "big twists", so they may not be interested in a "surprising" choice. At this point, it's far more likely that one of your "non-characters" would be given more screentime and development before a reveal than that they'd bring in someone brand new.

Also, TTA has regularly said things like "Do you know me?" or "Do you rememeber me?", indicating that they all know who he is. And someone who had a separate experience with TO unrelated to MH shouldn't so personally hate Alex.

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CraicIsMighty
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Beidah wrote:
I don't see why "predictable" is a bad thing. It means that the story was told in a consistent format. Cheap twists that look like they were pulled from the creator's anus are "unpredictable", but are definitely not a good thing at all. You can't just shove a plot twist in a series for the sake of a plot twist. That's not how good writing works. Hoody can't be someone new because then we wouldn't care about his identity and his mask would be completely unnecessary.


Depends on what you consider "necessary". From my standpoint, the masks are already unnecessary. Everyone already knows masky is Tim, yet masky continues to wear his mask. Alex already knows who Hoodie is, yet hoodie continues to wear his/her mask. The masks clearly serve some purpose other than merely obscuring the wearer's identity.

In my book an extremely predictable story is undesirable because that would indicate it is an uninspired, unimaginative piece that relies on using the same old tropes and plot devices we've seen again and again. Predictability is inevitable to some extent but that doesn't mean we should just recycle the same stories over and over. That's a big part of why a lot of people don't favor Season 3, it's largely just been rehashing entries from season 1 and 2. I don't want to just see the same thing over and over again. That's not good writing, it's just lazy. And claiming that all plot twists are just "inconsistent" or "pulled out of the writer's ass" is just so grossly untrue. I could even say there's a little evidence for Hoodie at least not being an MH cast member. The TTA video Exit seemed to indicate that TTA was already active before the shit hit the fan in the summer of 2006, and as far as we know, no MH cast member had any reason to be stalking Jay at that point.

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It would be random (and bad writing, imo) to have it be someone we've never seen before. A really, really lame duex ex machina. Why would a totally random character have conspired with Tim so long and Tim has no idea who it is? Tim never had many friends, how could he not recall this dude at all? Unless you propose Tim is lying about everything and can remember his Masky state... But that just seems like a lame plot. That just means the audience has been ridiculously misled. And why would a totally random person have such an intense grudge against Alex yet NOT kill him? It seems to be someone who knew Tim, Alex and Jay at some point at least, leading the average and hardcore viewer both to assume its a character that has already been introduced. If its a totally random person, the momentum of the series is gonna get crushed by one or more morris-the-explainer entries just to shoehorn some new guy into the story. Boring entries that just spoon feed us answers and explanations from a "creator's puppet" type of character would just be horrible and borderline stalling/filler before the big climax or confrontation this season and the series in general has been building toward.

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Depends on what you consider "necessary". From my standpoint, the masks are already unnecessary. Everyone already knows masky is Tim, yet masky continues to wear his mask. Alex already knows who Hoodie is, yet hoodie continues to wear his/her mask. The masks clearly serve some purpose other than merely obscuring the wearer's identity


Uh, you have the timeline all wrong. The scenes where TiMasky is wearing the mask are all from ages ago when he was still blacking out and becoming his alternate personality. And Hoody is hiding his identity from being filmed as far as I can surmise. He isn't hiding it from Alex, since Alex knows who he is, but he doesn't seem to want Jay or Tim to know who he is yet.

Then there's always the possibility of hiding your face being some sort of a defense against The Operator, but uh... No. There shouldn't be a bunch of relatively easy defences versus TO, i.e. the pills AND the masks and all that. Further lameness.

Realistically, the masks seem to be character traits that indicate insanity, in varying degrees.

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