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TheJoker

I think, in Hoody's case, it's entirely identity protection. He has no problem showing his face to Alex, so for some reason he doesn't want Jay to know who he really is. (Or the general internet public, I suppose.)

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:41 pm

Marble Hornets · Entrenched Joined: 29 Apr 2013 Posts: 946

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:49 pm

Beidah

I'm not saying all plot twists are bad, but there needs to be foreshadowing. Homestuck, for example, has come up with a lot of amazing plot twists, that, looking back, make a great deal of sense. But a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist is just stupid and half-assed.

The most important thing in any story is consistency. If the author just makes up new rules as he goes, breaking previously established rules, then he's a shitty author.

Jay turning on Tim was a good plot twist. It made sense. We could understand what and why, but few of us predicticted it. Alex attacking Jay in entry #71 was a good plot twist. No one saw it coming, but it made sense with everything we knew. Hoody being a random is a bad plot twist, and would feel cheap if done.

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:49 pm

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TheJoker

Exactly. Alex being evil was a surprise, but it was built up to and revealed gradually over several entries. There was foreshadowing to it throughout S2 even before it was confirmed. Tim being the cause of things is, first of all, not definitely confirmed (why does everyone keep disregarding 37?) and was, second of all, gradually built up to with the little hints and reveals about his past at the hospital over a few entries.

MH has had a few surprise twists, but they don't define the series, and the reason they've worked so well is that they've all fit in with things we saw before they happened, because they were well-thought-out understandable twists rather than cheap shock value.

Hoody being someone brand new does not fit in with his personal vendetta against Alex at all, nor with the buildup about his identity- there are ways they could hide his face without making it feel like it's a driving mystery (for instance, they hid Blofeld's face in the early James Bond films but it never felt like his identity was supposed to be a mystery), and if he's someone new there's really no point in hiding it for this long and teasing it constantly anyway. Predictability isn't preferable (which is why, for some time, my #1 choice would've been Jessica rather than Brian or Seth), but it's a better option than cheap twists for the sake of unpredictability alone. That's crime drama shit, and it is indeed shit.

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:04 pm

Dreveth

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:11 pm

Marble Hornets · Entrenched Joined: 29 Apr 2013 Posts: 946

I made that argument in favor of Seth being TTA, not a random newcomer. He fits in just as well as Brian does in the plot.

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:13 pm

TheJoker

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:25 pm

Marble Hornets · Entrenched Joined: 29 Apr 2013 Posts: 946

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:29 pm

Sha Noran · Entrenched Joined: 29 Apr 2013 Posts: 919

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:33 pm

Beidah

**Posted:** Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:37 pm

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TheOperator

This is a continuiation of the Batman comparison discussion in the #76 thread, moved to here as Joker requested.

First off, I agree with Alex being Mr. Freeze. Freeze's whole thing is that he's "frozen in place", forever trying to bring back his lost love no matter how hopeless it keeps looking. And to do it, he'll become cold and ruthless. Jay is nothing like Batman but we'll roll with it, he's the derp knight.

I didn't agree with any of the others though. As much as The Joker's my favourite villain, it appears a much better fit for The Operator was forgotten - The Scarecrow. A sadistic being that preys on fear and causes his victims to suffer from intense hallucinations. What more needs to be said?

Hoody I'd say is the Riddler. Because they're utterly obsessed with leaving clues and riddles everywhere. This ties into TTA as a whole, as well. The only thing that doesn't fit is Riddler isn't as physically fit as Hoody seems to be but everything else works too well.

Tim/Masky is Man-Bat. One side a man who just wants to live an honest life, the other a feral personality whose actions are a mystery to him. I considered Two-Face as well but I can't imagine Two-Face being a good guy for that long. Plus his dark side isn't as primitive as Masky's.

**Posted:** Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:23 pm

Ztakk · Entrenched Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 868

I think they have kind of put themselves in a hole with Hoodie's identity. If it's Brian, then it's going to be a bad reveal since we're all expecting it. If it's someone like Sarah or Seth, or anyone else really, it stands a high chance of being a bad reveal because we've gotten little to no hints for anyone else BUT Brian.

**Posted:** Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:00 am

Jordan · Entrenched Joined: 19 Oct 2011 Posts: 845

**Posted:** Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:09 am

Hazman

Exactly, for all we know they could be planning to bring Sarah back in a whole bunch of tapes that Alex has saved up for undisclosed reasons that Jay finds when he goes to that loction

**Posted:** Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:22 am

Sha Noran · Entrenched Joined: 29 Apr 2013 Posts: 919

This series isn't lame, so it isn't Sarah. Get real.

**Posted:** Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:11 am