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What would you like to see in future entries?
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Jordan
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Sha Noran wrote:
Hoody's identity is already way beyond well and teased out. Once you build hype or curiosity to a point, trying to build it further backfires and people begin to stop caring because they realize you're just fucking with them. There have been at LEAST three super cruel teasing shots where we ALMOST see Hoody's unmasked face. If they kept that up for too much longer it would go from a great tease to really annoying. Some people are already fed up and super annoyed even though they are big fans of the series (not me, but the forum has plenty of posts from people being sick of the lack of reveals). Being a published writer myself, I would at least say that there's no way I would dare stretch some things in this story much longer if I was writing it because people get fed up with that shit; Hoody's identity is at the top of the list.

If there's a twist I'd believe, its that they will reveal Hoody's identity and then TTA will post being like "so now you know who he is" and make it seem like TTA is a different person from Hoody. But given what we know both IG and OOG... Nah.


I think Hornets is a little unusual because it's updated at irregular intervals and it's made by people in their own very spare time and that's we're prepared to wait for each new entry. I think, for the most part, we are a patient lot who understand the difficuties Troseph have in making this series and are patient in how (and when) this story is told. Troseph are well assured that we're here and don't feel the need to comprimise the story their telling just because we've had to wait (such as their decision to have season three in the first place because they felt ending the series during season two would be incredibly dramitically unsatisfying)

For the viewer who is watching, I think they'd be incredibly disappointed if the Hoody reveal came up soon, as his identity hadn't really been. For us, I think it's a bit more teneous because we're a bit obbessive here and spend our time pondering what's going,

But, I disagree with you: I think quite a number of people would be disappointed if the Hoody reveal came soon without any teasing, it just wouldn't have any real impact whatsoever. Seth handled the camera and editing, it's possible he might have noticed and the freaky distortions, Sarah didn't like, that's not enough of a reason.

I don't think Hoody's identity has been successfully teased out at all, though. Yes, we've got the tantilising glimpses of his or her face (and remember everyone, Troseph have stated time and time again that Hoody's physical attributes that we see in the entries are not canocial) and we've got a few minute hints to who he or she might be, but not enough to make an upcoming reveal all that satisfying.

There are candiates to who he might be: Sarah seemed to be a very determined, but fair person who wasn't afraid to call Alex out on his shit and just seemed to want everyone to get along before Alex began to insult her and Tim,

a nice person who saw her friends die and others mentally warped by The Operator's influence, someone who wouldn't cave in after her experiences with The Operator and would want to have her revenge upon Alex for what he done to her and others, Seth, who might have gleamed of some way to save others from The Operator's influence through the time he spent with Alex discussing the film and observing his behaviour (The Ark?) and Brian, who was a friend of Tim, has been shown to become agiated and aggressive and is a close friend of Tim's who would want revenge on Alex to what he did to himself and having his friend having to create a second personality to cope with his experiences.

These our own candiates, but I've had to extrapolate the following from my own memory of the series from these very minute moments of charcisation which has lead me to these conclusions and haven't been expanded upon in the series and only the most diehard fan is aware of them. Marble Hornets is designed first and foremost for the viewer who is watching the series in it's enterity. There is no way that a regular viewer who is watching the series in it's enterity would have time to reflect upon these possibilities. For this viewer, this would just be a thing which happened: no build up whatsoever. They would most likely not even remember Sarah's assertieveness or that Seth was a camerea man who would have spent enough time with Alex to gleam a possible way to escape from The Operator's influence. If they are going to be viable candiates, these characteristics need to be expanded upon at some point in the narrative.

And for us, it just wouldn't be all that dramitically satisfying. A good mystery casts suspicion upon multiple characters for doingsomething and gives them reasons for doing so, and pirortises one character over the other to the viewer, while also providing the audience with evidience they are led to ignore which contains the prepator. As it stands in the narrative: Sarah, Seth and Brian are in equal steading for being Hoody are all equally positioned to the Unfiction viewer of being Hoody. We haven't been given any reason by Troseph to pirotise one over the other. There hasn't been any evidience which we've been led to ignore which would lead us to the correct solution to why one of them is Hoody. It just wouldn't be dramitically satisfying to any viewer.

Yes, the series has been screaming Brian, Brian, for quite sometime now, he's a friend of Tim, who knew of his illness and would want revenge on Alex for making his illness worse and making him create an alterante personality just to cope, but so what? It's obvious. As mystery viewers, we expect to misdirected. We expect to guess and guess and guess as the narrative goes by as we are lead to believe one person over the other via clues and story progression. But, if we're not given reasons - as the narrative goes by - to why person B and C are more likely to doing the thing the mystery are, then it's just not dramitically satisfying. As Agatha Christie did say: "The thrill is in the chase, never in the capture" The reveal in itself is nothing, the lead up is everything and we haven't really been lead anywhere.

Any reveal in the near future would be neutered: oh, it's just them if Troseph didn't go through this proccess of making us guess - and haven't.


It's not the same as the Tim reveal, because we knew Masky was Tim, there was no mystery - the point was: Why is this guy, who was so cagey about what happened, going around and dressing up in a mask and attacking Jay? We knew who he was - same height, same physical build, etc and the series never misdirected us on that point. Hoody, we just don't know anything about what he looks like and have been told time and time again by Troseph about his height and build are not canoical (although this will cause problems with the first-time viewer)

We've invested far too much time in the series and the build up is too great for Hoody to be revealed very soon and I've disappointed too many people in particular ways wondering why. Yes, Marble Hornets, that is your power Smile

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 		Some things I personally want to see, with varying degrees of how likely they are to happen:

    Footage from when Jay was "out of it".

    TO making Jay his bitch, going everywhere he goes and throwing his sanity around like a rag doll.

    A return to the hotel.

    Behind the operating doors in the annex.

    A return to the three-floored hospital, with a character going to both the basement and the roof.

    Sarah's fate.

    How Alex and Amy got together. I want a reason to care about her.

    Hoody being unmasked and the reveal actually feeling cool instead of "Oh. It was them."

    Tim filming and leading an entry. #74 was not enough. I was imagining him explaining to the camera how out of it Jay had been, going through the papers found in Alex's house, etc. and we never got it.

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 		Re: What would you like to see in future entries?
Jordan wrote:
For me, it would be intresting if entry #77 was actually Tim quickly filming before he went off to the lodge..


What location is this lodge you speak of in the marbleverse? You start mentioning lodges and suddenly I am having a Twin Peaks flashback. Gaah all this coffee and donuts!! Sorry all these cups of damn fine coffee and donuts. Ware the owls.

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Sha Noran wrote:
Sarah dying


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 		More passionate makeouts. The last one was absolutely terrible. I felt like you could've replace Jay with a cardboard cutout of Jay and it'd be an improvement.
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Beidah wrote:
More passionate makeouts. The last one was absolutely terrible. I felt like you could've replace Jay with a cardboard cutout of Jay and it'd be an improvement.


Yeah, and more explosions, too! They should get Michael Bay to direct an entry, already.

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 		Some nudity wouldn't hurt!
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Sha Noran
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 		Jordan, you're talking about months and months of entries that would advance the plot in no way other than to tease and mislead us about nothing other than Hoody's identity, which is not even the main point of the series. As far as I can tell, this would piss off, disappoint and turn away just about every but you buddy. I really fucking hope they don't plan on ruining their series by bullshitting us for AGES about a minor reveal. And frankly this would be even WORSE for someone viewing the series all at once marathon mode. The recent entries, since say #69, have been building toward some significant climax. Derailing now just to mislead the viewer would be terrible writing.

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 		Indeed, just let Brian be Hoody and we can get on with more important things, like answering any one of the many questions about Mr. Tall.
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Jordan
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Sha Noran wrote:
Jordan, you're talking about months and months of entries that would advance the plot in no way other than to tease and mislead us about nothing other than Hoody's identity, which is not even the main point of the series. As far as I can tell, this would piss off, disappoint and turn away just about every but you buddy. I really fucking hope they don't plan on ruining their series by bullshitting us for AGES about a minor reveal. And frankly this would be even WORSE for someone viewing the series all at once marathon mode. The recent entries, since say #69, have been building toward some significant climax. Derailing now just to mislead the viewer would be terrible writing.


Well, I did say in my last post (which checking over it, is a bit of nonsense. God, I was tired) that they didn't have to follow my idea, but I think we will have to expect some teasing out of Hoody's identity to come. It's been three years of build up, just to reveal that it was one of the candiates, without any misleading and, would be one of the biggest anti-climaxes in the series and will certiantly lose this viewer and be more alienating to the first time viewer, who hasn't really had any reason to suspect or guess one person over the other.

By teasing out his identity, the series doesn't neccessairly have to focus on Hoody's identity completly - we could have Tim and Jay run into another person who is haunted by The Operator, who might have some knowledge which allows them to gleam his intentions, Tim seemingly beginning to remember something about the ark and the boys going in search of it, with the tension being that Jay has to trust Tim in order to surrive and their attempts to renew their friendship or hell, just some downtime as Tim tries to regain Jay's trust and Jay in the midist of getting nowhere, just tries to have some moments of peace or Jay's continual dehabiliting mental health.

But, I do agree, that the last couple of entries have been building to something spectucular. If they went down the entry #75 route (not that entry #75 wasn't great, I kind of expected it), it would be very disappointing, there's just been too much build up.

Personally, I consider the teasing out of Hoody's identity to be a nice way to reign in The Operator and prevent him from overexposure. Farmalarity with a monster ruins his power and as viewers, we're meant to share in Jay's ongoing paranoia. The Operator could be anywhere at anytime, hell, he could have even appeared to Jay and he didn't even remember it! It's good to have breaks from him from awhile, just let to the parnoia seek in. Having Hoody - a man or woman severely affected by Operator exposure - allows our dread of The Operator to continue to grow (just as Masky served that purpose all the way back in season one) allows us to have those moments, while re-enforcing the horror of The Operator and keeping the plot moving along.

Yes, the question of why does The Operator do what he does? Why does he go after his victims? drives this series, but it's a question which will either never be answered until it's conclusion or never answered at all. For that to work, The Operator needs to be unknowable and having other plot elements (Hoody, Jessica, etc) keeps us from focusing too much on those questions. If not, we'd spent literally every entry having Jay being haunted by The Operator and being affected by him, and that would grow rather old rather quickly. Marble Hornets is a horror series after all, and for horror to work, that horror must be unknowable and that's where The Operator belongs, in the shadows. He has no face, nothing we can gleam his intentions from - is he acting from predatory instinct? Sadistic pleasure? We don't know. Keeping us distracted from The Operator and his intentions is a good way to keep the horror going and ulitmatly, you need other plot elements in place to keep the horror working.

Your advocating for a Hoody reveal, but where does the series go from there - and as I said before in my rather gibberish post, a good mystery casts suspicion over it's suspects and leads the audience to suspect one over the other as the narrative progress and their intentions for doing something (whether that suspicion is highlighted by what is said in the narrative or not). People expect a character who appears dressed in a hood and a mask over his face to be mysterious and they expect to be teased and misdirected and that just hasn't happened with Hoody. If it was revealed to be Sarah, Brian or Seth, it would just be a thing which has happened with no real build up whatsoever. We know it's either one of them. For the first time viewer, who hasn't become quite as acquianted with the minute characteristics given to us that we have examined, it would be even worse. They aren't as farmaliar with these people as we are and are most likely to have forgetten these characteristics completly. It'd be a bad move by Troseph, who very much have designed this series for the first-time viewer.

A huge mystery of the series has been what the ark is - and up until this point, there's been very little evidience to suggest what the ark might actually be. A Hoody reveal would inevitably tie into some sort of reveal about the ark, as Hoody has some knowledge of it. Hoody and what the ark actually is are tied together and to not actually provide some tease to what the actual ark might be would be incredibly anti-climatic for most viewers, I'm sure.


And if we're not teased about his identity and his overall intentions, then it just takes a huge chunk out the tension of the narrative and away from the main predictment: Jay is being haunted by an entity which probably killed most of his friends and left the rest of them mentally shattered. Jay's aim is to escape from The Operator's influence, delaying that time and time again, strengthens the narrative. Having someone who has knowledge of a way to escape or shield themselves from The Operator's influence is a good way to re-enforce this predictment and add tension, teasing out whether they are really willing to help Jay and their overall motives for doing so and while they can't be forthright with Jay is a good way to add tension to the narrative.

And if the series did reveal who Hoody is now, it would take a huge chunk out of the recent development which has occured in the series: Jay's dehabiliating mental health. Ulitmatly, this needs time to settle in more then it has and really reasonate with both first time viewers and Unfiction viewers.


But, I do understand that some viewers are a bit sick of the Hoody teasing and Troseph probably needs to throw another plot element in for awhile just to keep things fresh and intresting.

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 		Hoodie's unmasking interests me not so much because I need to know who he is but because I want to see Tim's reaction to it.
Say that, either due to Masky amnesia or Slendy mindwipes, Tim really doesn't know who Hoodie is. How then would Timmy react to learning his bestest pal is actually a creep who lives in the woods and abuses his medical conditions? Would he relapse into Masky mode, strike out on his own, or hang on to Jay?
That's what I'd like to see come from the Hoodie reveal.

As for future entries...
Alex finally explaining himself to Jay, of course.
Alex and Hoodie conversing to each other.
One more tape to show entry 12's ending.
An entry that has every surviving character in it at the same time.
Alex's gun running out of bullets. Laughing
And, oh yeah, one final Masky episode.

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Jordan
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ToTheArcanine wrote:
Hoodie's unmasking interests me not so much because I need to know who he is but because I want to see Tim's reaction to it.
Say that, either due to Masky amnesia or Slendy mindwipes, Tim really doesn't know who Hoodie is. How then would Timmy react to learning his bestest pal is actually a creep who lives in the woods and abuses his medical conditions? Would he relapse into Masky mode, strike out on his own, or hang on to Jay?
That's what I'd like to see come from the Hoodie reveal.

As for future entries...
Alex finally explaining himself to Jay, of course.
Alex and Hoodie conversing to each other.
One more tape to show entry 12's ending.
An entry that has every surviving character in it at the same time.
Alex's gun running out of bullets. Laughing
And, oh yeah, one final Masky episode.


I've wondered if The Operator can actually make himself look human in the eyes of others - and only chooses to reveal himself to his intended victims or agent. Actuallly, that's kind of chilling in retrospect, because it means The Operator just chooses to reveal himself when he intends to cause harm to Jay and could be near him anytime he's near people, just prepping for the right momment to mess with him.... Sad

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ToTheArcanine wrote:

Alex's gun running out of bullets. Laughing


How many bullets can it take do you (or anyone else know) also what type of gun is it?

Imagine that, Hoody finally gets the gun puts it to Alex's head and pulls the trigger *click click click* and it's all outta ammo Razz

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 		I am unwilling to combat that wall of text. I have stated my opinion. Cool

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Jordan
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Sha Noran wrote:
I am unwilling to combat that wall of text. I have stated my opinion. Cool


Heh, sorry, not saying that your opinion isn't valid, but I just feel that what your advocating wouldn't make the series all that dramitically satisfying Smile

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