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[AssassinB]

So whichever one edited it (I'm guessing it's Ray and he's blaming Jackson in that video he uploaded) was mostly trying to get rid of all actual conversations. This could have been done for a couple reasons, but if it was Ray I believe it's because:

A) No actual on camera convos makes it difficult to discern what exactly is going on, instead giving a new viewer (like myself) a distorted view of the events that occurred, leaving a viewer without access to unfiction or similar discussion sites to be slightly confused about who is who and what is what, leaving the video descriptions to give the only clues. The way Ray words his makes Jackson sound pretty incriminating.

B) He "died" so he is going with a new sort of persona, erasing all audible traces of himself during the transition so we are inclined to believe and side with him. When I went through all the videos I can honestly say I didn't hear Ray speak once. He wanted to make sure that only his heroic acts stayed uploaded and everything that was self-incriminating was taken down.

So basically, the way they were edited and removed points to Ray attempting to shift the majority of the blame on Jackson, and to make all traces of himself changing on camera disappear.

EDIT: I finally accessed a:15 too, I had problems with it before but now I watched it, first time I heard Ray speak. You're probably right, I think he may have been editing it to keep everything involving himself to a minimum, as it cuts quite a bit.

[SignerJ]

Actually, you didn't get everything. Not only are videos missing, but some have been edited. All of their names are different from what they were originally, and they aren't even in correct order.

I archive videos of series that I watch for various purposes -- this being one of them --, so I could theoretically go through the entire series and point out what is different. However, this would be a time-consuming task, so I will only undertake it if others in the thread want me to. If I do undertake it, Monday will be the earliest that I can finish it by.


Now, for a question of my own: As I said, I archive the videos. Based on the latest video with Ray, I'm going to assume that this whole situation is a plot device. If that is the case, then I need to know how I should include the new (and edited) AntediluvianOne videos with the older ones. Suggestions?

[Carmen]

[SignerJ]

This is for all of the new viewers out there.

[Carmen]

I thought Jackson killed Jay at the end of a:22; he points the gun, swings the camera away, and we hear a shot.

Don't worry, I already didn't trust Jack.

[AssassinB]

Interesting, so what your saying is videos have been moved out of their correct order Signer J? Do you think you could make a "real" timeline showing the sequence of events and videos? Also, could you try to recall the most important verbal conversations held and out of curiosity, what's your current take on the situation?

[SignerJ]

I guess that I can start out by compiling a list of the original videos, in order:

(I might update this list as I gain more time for analysis)

1) Introduction: Jack's disappearance (now called a:00, missing introduction and about one minute)
2) Camera Location (now called a:01, missing context information, missing over two minutes)
3) the Recovered Tape 1 (now called a:02, missing about 30 seconds, not sure what)
4) Before the Search (now called a:03, missing dialogue and about 45 seconds)
5) the Recovered Tape 2 (now called a:04, missing about one and a half minutes, not sure what)
6) the Recovered Tape 3 (now called a:05, missing about one and a half minutes, not sure what)
7) the Altered Tape 1 (now called a:06, missing about one and a half minutes, not sure what)
8.) the Altered Tape 2 (now called a:07, missing about 50 seconds, not sure what)
9) the Altered Tape 3 (now called a:08, missing about 30 seconds, not sure what)
10) Returning My Camera (now called a:09, missing about 50 seconds, not sure what)
11) Nov. 1st Update (removed, contains important dialogue)
12) At the Shed (now called a:10, missing about a minute, not sure what)
13) '613' Tape (now called a:11, missing about 7 seconds and parts of the super creepy Slendy appearance)
14) Encounter (now called a:12, missing about a minutes, not sure what)
15) Contact (removed, contains important dialogue)
16) the Monument (now called a:13, missing the first three minutes)
17) Contact 2 (removed, contains important dialogue)
18.) Surveillance (now called a:14, missing about a minute and a half, not sure what)
19) Found part 1 (now called a:15, missing about ten seconds of context)
20) Found part 2 (now called a:16, missing about 50 seconds, not sure what)
21) Dec. 31st Update (removed, contains important dialogue)
22) Jack's Assessment (removed, contains important information about Jack)
23) AutoUpload January 22, 2013 306 AM (same name, last second removed -- the person was about to take his mask off in the original)
24) Contact 3 (removed, contained important dialogue)
25) the Participants (removed, contained VERY important dialogue)
26) exemplar.m4v (now called a:17, missing about two minutes, not sure what)
27) Cleanse (removed, contained a continuation of previous video)
28.) Jack's sketch (now called a:18, a minute and a half removed, not sure what)
29) will it stop (now called a:19, about 30 seconds combined removed from beginning and ending )
30) contact 4 (removed, contains important dialogue and context for next video)
31) the house (now called a:20, missing about two minutes of interpretation at the end -- NOTE: the removed part may or may not have all been a lie to the viewer)
32) DEFECTOR (removed, contains a message from Jack to the viewers)
33) true encounter (now called a:21)
34) glorifying the tulpa (removed, contains important dialogue)
35) Close pt. 1 (now called a:22)
36) turning (removed, contains VERY important dialogue)
37) Close pt. 2 (now called a:23, missing about a minute and a half, some of it more footage, some of it a message from Jack to the viewer)
38.) Free (removed, don't know what the contained footage means)
And then the new videos follow, which are a:24 on.

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As for my current take on the situation... I really don't know what is going on. That is kind of a theme with this series -- the moment that you think you know what is happening, it throws you a curveball. It makes you question everything you've been told, but doesn't tell you what to believe.

The only thing I can say for certain is to not trust the video descriptions. Almost all, if not all, of them have been changed. Unfortunately, without those, context is difficult to provide for some of the videos.

[AssassinB]

Good job on the timeline man, the name changes and how everything was made so bland from what it was before makes me really curious about who did the editing and what their motive was.

[SignerJ]

In regards to the editing, I believe Ray. I think that Jack did it, and I think that he wanted to cover something up.

He probably wanted to cover up the fact that he's totally insane and that Ray might not be evil.
(Again, remember, this series has so many lies that I'm not sure what to believe. I'd have to re-watch it, but I seriously don't have the time at the moment.)

[drseussicide]

EDIT: Okay is the distortion at the end of a:26 different? I can't tell anymore, I don't have the greatest visual memory and this channel keeps playing with that and it's freaking me way out. Maybee also cause I live in SW Ontario.

[SignerJ]

[AssassinB]

GAH MY BRAIN IS FULL OF FUCK

[Carmen]

[SignerJ]

[drseussicide]

Firstly, thank you for providing these, since it's Canadian Thanksgiving is Monday, I have a three-day weekend and hope to delve into this and do a write up of what I nnotice from the footage. I'll share it as a google doc probably.

EDIT: OH ALSO THIS