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420Goku
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Jordan wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by true protraganist, the protragnist is the main character of a series. Tim taking up camera duties is a nice twist to make us feel that nothing and no-one is safe (hell, he could show up at the address, be killed by Alex and the next couple of entries would be Alex narrating his side of the story to the audience and luring victims and then paying a visit to Jay). Not saying Tim might take on camera duties and be the new protragnist of the series, but there's nothing in the series which suggests he's been the 'real' main character all along (?)


I'm talkin' right now Tim's the character we feel the most trust towards, the most bond with; he's the dude that we wanna root for. Now, this is a complicated series in terms of all this shit so yeah no shit it's muddled. But I think it's pretty clear that season 3 has all been centered round fleshing out Tim, making him a kick ass character, and finally making him the person with whom we experience the story with.

It's all my opinion tho dog, don't get autistic with me like ya do to your penis while readin them stories bout Jay and Tim makin' out.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
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Marble Hornets wrote:
The day he took the tape was the day after entry 33. The day him and Jay woke up near the hut was years later. What?

We never saw him take it in 76, so based on this entry we can assume he never took the tape after 33 and Hoody took it and gave it to him in 62.

Not gonna try and argue the filler thing with you, because I know you'll just be convinced you're right no matter what, and I think I'm gonna resist the urge to comment on the fact that you actually have convinced yourself that you could make the series better than they can too.


good i'm glad you're resisting the urge finally you're learning


"Fillers, as the name implies, "fills" an episode with non-canonical material"

I'm sorry, but being too stubborn to listen to reason does not make you right. If the entry adds to the plot in any way, which this episode has, it is NOT filler.

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evanx275h wrote:
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Okay. I usually stay out of crap like this, but this statement is just too much. Who are you to say which subset of fans should or shouldn't be catered to? And for that matter, who the hell are you to decide who the "dedicated" fans are? That attitude right there is is the reason so many people have a problem with you. I'm sure you'll just pop your collar and say you don't give a fuck about what other people think of you, but I still need to point out people who call you on something are not all "disgruntled fanboys", they're forum members that are sick of your unnecessary bad attitude about something you claim to like.



[an image that I expect the user thought was funny]


My favorite part about these forums is when people make legitimate points and they're responded to with immature image posts. It's one thing to just be a blatant douche about something that's free to watch on the internet, but to shove your head up your own ass for the sake of attempting to be intellectual takes a lot of work. Gotta give you credit for retaining that childishness throughout this topic, brah.

Anyways, good entry. Nice to see Tim in charge and - gasp - RUNNING THE CHANNEL NOW? The exit text by Tim threw me off so hard, but made me feel like the series is shifting in a way that has me excited. I'm not even sure what to think anymore, because if TTA claims Tim is a liar... and Tim just sounds so convincing in what he tells Jay... It has me so conflicted.

Hopefully 78 will start with Jay bursting through the college front doors, hopping down the halls and yelling "TIM! TIIIIIM! WHERES MY CAMERA!?"



Someone asking me "who the hell I think i am making those claims" is someone who is claiming my opinion is fact. Someone who brings up my "distaste for the series despite me saying I love it" is blatantly ignoring any and all posts I make where I praise entries (such as 65 and the previous entry). If you aggrandize my opinion to such an extent, I am going to laugh at you when you get overtly offended by it, case closed.

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_Snuffles wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
The day he took the tape was the day after entry 33. The day him and Jay woke up near the hut was years later. What?

We never saw him take it in 76, so based on this entry we can assume he never took the tape after 33 and Hoody took it and gave it to him in 62.

Not gonna try and argue the filler thing with you, because I know you'll just be convinced you're right no matter what, and I think I'm gonna resist the urge to comment on the fact that you actually have convinced yourself that you could make the series better than they can too.


good i'm glad you're resisting the urge finally you're learning


"Fillers, as the name implies, "fills" an episode with non-canonical material"

I'm sorry, but being too stubborn to listen to reason does not make you right. If the entry adds to the plot in any way, which this episode has, it is NOT filler.


thanks for sharing your opinion on what the term filler means to you, i appreciate you taking time out of your day to do so

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 		Tim taking away the camera can only result in horrible things for Jay.

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 		I've noticed both Tim and jay are motivated by guilt.

Jay has always defended his need to find Jessica by saying it was his fault she disappeared and that she got involved, and that it's his responsibility to help her. But in this entry he gets defensive. Tim mentions Jessica might be dead, and Jay says that if she is it's not his fault. Tim isn't accusing Jay of it being his fault; that's his own conscience Jay's yelling at. Jay assumed immediately Tim is lying about not remembering what happened with Jessica. While it's arguably not wrong for Jay to be suspicious, Jay immediately assumes Tim must be lying. That's because if Jay assumes that, it's just one more person whose fault Jessica's disappearance is, one more person that isn't him.

Tim suffers from the same guilt, and need to shift the blame. Tim suspects, probably correctly, that he was followed by the Operator long before Alex or the rest of the Marble Hornets crew were, and that he passed it on to them. In Entry #66, when Tim tells Jay this, he begins crying, bemoaning that without him Alex could be a normal person, Jay could be living a normal life, and by extension, Jessica could be fine. He admits that he's blamed both Alex and Jay inconsistently to deflect the blame from himself.

That's where we get back to this entry. Unlike Jay, who is obsessed with finding Jessica, the only person in the story whose problems one could reasonably blame Jay for, Tim is obsessed with finding Alex. And what is the reason Tim gives for this?

Tim wrote:
We need to be focusing on finding Alex, because he's the one whose actually responsible for all of this; blaming me isn't gonna do anything!


Alex is the most obvious scapegoat for Tim to pass the blame to. Note that Tim doesn't say they need to find Alex because he is a scoundrel, or because he is the most clear and present danger to them, which would all be good reasons, but because he's somehow responsible for all of this.

In Tim's mind Alex let the Operator loose on the whole Marble Hornets crew, Jay, and Jessica, and he might as well be responsible for the Operator stalking Tim as a child, but Tim thinking and saying that doesn't make it true. Alex, despite being an evil psychopath, is not explicitly responsible for the Operator stalking any of them, or anything which happens in the story directly, besides the murder of the bearded man, and (Probably) the disappearance of Brian. Even Jessica's fate happened because the hooded guy and Tim took her into the woods and the Operator got her; the part with Alex very well may have been irrelevant to the overall outcome.

Alex is many things, one of which is a very bad man, but he is essentially out of his mind, and he is anything but responsible. Alex is just as much a random variable in a series of crazy events taking place, in the tangled tendrils of the Operator's tentacle web. But since he is downright evil, he is still Tim's best scapegoat.

In truth, Jay is not responsible for getting Jessica involved. Jay didn't get Jessica involved. He called her twice, told her nothing of the Operator of Marble Hornets, and only asked her about Alex. Alex, in the labyrinth of his crazy mind, assumed Jessica was now involved, and, (This is a pretty big jump by the way) that she needed to be murdered. That is Alex's fault and Alex's alone. This leads Jay and her to run away together, from Alex, before the Operator wipes Jessica's mind and begins stalking her, either because she was with Jay and he is being stalked, which is also not Jay's fault by any reasonable measure, or because the Operator is working with Alex, and Alex wanted her gone.

Likewise, Tim is not responsible for the Operator spreading. Tim mentions in the aforementioned Entry #66 that Brian was his first real friend, and that they met in college, which is also when he started working on with Brian on his Brian's friend (Alex's) movie. Having had no real friends before Marble Hornets, there was no way for Tim to know the Operator spread, and even more pertinently, with his hallucinations repressed by his meds, he had no way of knowing the Operator existed.

The only thing responsible for "everything" happening is the Operator, the passive chaos he exudes, the danger he brings out in humans, and the effect he has on the character's health, mental and physical. But he is not a human, not a person whose actions one can trace to malicious intent, egregious negligence, or insanity. He is not someone Jay or Tim want to blame; they want to blame their respective selves, and as a result, they end up blaming others. It is both their fatal flaw: their obsession with blame in a situation where the blame is quite literally faceless.

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 		You do tend to be overly critical (calling this entry "filler" despite this obviously not being the case) and have a sense of entitlement (saying that this series should start catering more to you and less to "casuals") which is off-putting, Henry.
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Beidah wrote:
You do tend to be overly critical (calling this entry "filler" despite this obviously not being the case) and have a sense of entitlement (saying that this series should start catering more to you and less to "casuals") which is off-putting, Henry.


ey yo can we all stop talking about this dude's massive e-peen? Let's talk about the entry this is embarrassing as fuck to read through

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Beidah wrote:
You do tend to be overly critical (calling this entry "filler" despite this obviously not being the case) and have a sense of entitlement (saying that this series should start catering more to you and less to "casuals") which is off-putting, Henry.



sounds to me like you are seeing things in a different light because you have a different opinion than me

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 		That's a pretty good analysis, Hawk. Going off that, it's interesting to note Alex blaming Jay for everything just last entry and entry #52.
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 		Guys, just letting you know: I know what Goku is doing and honestly, I can't be offended...because I just can't be because he's not doing it well.

So, I don't need anyone to defend or get mad for me or anything and I just think we should get back to talking about this entry.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Someone asking me "who the hell I think i am making those claims" is someone who is claiming my opinion is fact. Someone who brings up my "distaste for the series despite me saying I love it" is blatantly ignoring any and all posts I make where I praise entries (such as 65 and the previous entry). If you aggrandize my opinion to such an extent, I am going to laugh at you when you get overtly offended by it, case closed.


It's not about your opinion "being a fact", it's about the fact that you angrily spew half of this crap over the forum LIKE its a fact. People argue it because obviously they disagree, sure, no big deal. But to label those people as "casuals" instead of fans of the series just because they combatted your argument? Dude, that is some shit right there. You're patronizing/undermining people that are enjoying the series like you "do", regardless of how long they've actively watched it. There's no legitimate reason for it, "case closed".
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Marble Hornets wrote:
Beidah wrote:
You do tend to be overly critical (calling this entry "filler" despite this obviously not being the case) and have a sense of entitlement (saying that this series should start catering more to you and less to "casuals") which is off-putting, Henry.



sounds to me like you are seeing things in a different light because you have a different opinion than me


Couldn't the same be said of you?
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That ending, holy shit.


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evanx275h wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Someone asking me "who the hell I think i am making those claims" is someone who is claiming my opinion is fact. Someone who brings up my "distaste for the series despite me saying I love it" is blatantly ignoring any and all posts I make where I praise entries (such as 65 and the previous entry). If you aggrandize my opinion to such an extent, I am going to laugh at you when you get overtly offended by it, case closed.


It's not about your opinion "being a fact", it's about the fact that you angrily spew half of this crap over the forum LIKE its a fact. People argue it because obviously they disagree, sure, no big deal. But to label those people as "casuals" instead of fans of the series just because they combatted your argument? Dude, that is some shit right there. You're patronizing/undermining people that are enjoying the series like you "do", regardless of how long they've actively watched it. There's no legitimate reason for it, "case closed".



If you read my opinions as facts, or assume I believe my opinions to be facts, then that's on you plain and simple. I never called anyone on here a casual, and it's not my fault you automatically jumped to that conclusion either. I have to imagine if you're posting on unfiction you're a dedicated fan. A casual fan to me is someone who half ass watches it in the background, easily getting confused about plot, and not caring enough to go back to a previous entry to figure out what they didn't understand.

Once again, not my fault you are perceiving things the way you are. The fact that I am talking negative about something you like is automatically creating a negatively biased prejudgement in your head that affects your perception.

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