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Amethyst.64
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ReeseSparrow wrote:
I actually really hope Hoody does go get Jay. And then uses him the way he used Masky. Then maybe we can meet Jay's "masky-state" persona. I'd really like to see the situation flipped with Tim being the protagonist and Jay being the enigmatic masked character.


This would be interesting. Given how artsy they seem to be getting with the entries and themes I can see this happening to reminisce season 1

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ReeseSparrow wrote:
I actually really hope Hoody does go get Jay. And then uses him the way he used Masky. Then maybe we can meet Jay's "masky-state" persona. I'd really like to see the situation flipped with Tim being the protagonist and Jay being the enigmatic masked character.


Well, as much as I'd love to see Jay in a ,Masky state , it wouldn't exactly be all that engimatic - we'd know it'd be Jay the whole time!

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toclafane212
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but the profile picture isn't the default one.


Default one:




MH:

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Amethyst.64
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Jordan wrote:
ReeseSparrow wrote:
I actually really hope Hoody does go get Jay. And then uses him the way he used Masky. Then maybe we can meet Jay's "masky-state" persona. I'd really like to see the situation flipped with Tim being the protagonist and Jay being the enigmatic masked character.


Well, as much as I'd love to see Jay in a ,Masky state , it wouldn't exactly be all that engimatic - we'd know it'd be Jay the whole time!


Masky is still pretty scary even though we know it's tim...

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When will they learn to get along Sad Surely they have bigger things to worry about than going all wild-west and hogtying each other. In all seriousness though, I really liked this one. Tim's speech to Jay about Jessica not being the important thing anymore was quite good, I liked the brutal honesty of it. Finally doing something about Jay's increasing uselessness and taking charge was good too, though I agree with what people have said about him being slightly contradictory with the whole camera thing. Interested to see where this goes next! I'm predicting a pretty messy confrontation with Hoody, in which nothing goes the way Tim is hoping.
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toclafane212 wrote:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but the profile picture isn't the default one.


Default one:




MH:


The first one is a user, the second one is a channel. They are the default pics for both of them respectively.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
ledzepfilm wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
ugh

another filler entry

Raspberry


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Jay's tied up in Tim's house, screaming over his camera. Jay is borderline insane. Tim's going to the address and has full reign over the channel/twitter. Tim has had the tape since 62. Tim wants answers.


That's filler?


yup


By that logic, all 77 entries are fillers.
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Oh, my poor Jay T__T he is completely out of it and looks more like Alex.
I don't know what to think about what is coming next. I don't really understand why has Tim left Jay tied up and alone and why has he said where he is supposed to go, unless it is some kind of trap as several people has said yet here, but it doesn't really look like that to me :/
Of course it would be the more intelligent thing to do... but for some reason, Tim is the character I've ever trusted the most and I hope he doesn't mess everything up.

Also, I agree with those who say that it looks like it has been uploaded before going to that location (if it is not a trap), which is pretty stupid, because if not there is no reason to hide what happened in that location.
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Amethyst.64
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Either he's already been to the address already(in which case new entry over the weekend or next weekend, soon anyway) or it's a trap.
I think that no matter how psychobonkers Tim is at the moment, he would realise he's basically just murdered his only (tentative) ally

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ledzepfilm
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Just want to add that the font is Verdana in bold, so Tim could make the text off of basically any software.

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I'm sorry to have to interrupt actual discussion, but this back-and-forth with the user Marble Hornets has to stop.

Yes, he's making his arguments in a non-constructive manner, but those of you who are taking his bait aren't helping the situation either.

This is not the venue for a discussion of the meaning of "filler." We've had that rodeo here before a couple years ago. If you have doubts on the meaning of words, consult a dictionary. Please don't derail discussion threads by engaging in this argument.

Now, please resume discussion.


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mokie wrote:

I'd like to believe "I'll just be going out now and leaving you conveniently bound and cameraless" means Jay's bait and Tim's ditching his car far enough from the apartment to not be obvious about it.


I like this thought. They are laying a trap, that would be awesome.

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Kraliesrockofepic wrote:
Holy shit I'm late to the game.

Not as late as me. Sad

Hory shet, 14 frickin pages in already. You people need sleep.

DHawk314 wrote:
I've noticed both Tim and jay are motivated by guilt.

Jay has always defended his need to find Jessica by saying it was his fault she disappeared and that she got involved, and that it's his responsibility to help her. But in this entry he gets defensive. Tim mentions Jessica might be dead, and Jay says that if she is it's not his fault. Tim isn't accusing Jay of it being his fault; that's his own conscience Jay's yelling at. Jay assumed immediately Tim is lying about not remembering what happened with Jessica. While it's arguably not wrong for Jay to be suspicious, Jay immediately assumes Tim must be lying. That's because if Jay assumes that, it's just one more person whose fault Jessica's disappearance is, one more person that isn't him.

Tim suffers from the same guilt, and need to shift the blame. Tim suspects, probably correctly, that he was followed by the Operator long before Alex or the rest of the Marble Hornets crew were, and that he passed it on to them. In Entry #66, when Tim tells Jay this, he begins crying, bemoaning that without him Alex could be a normal person, Jay could be living a normal life, and by extension, Jessica could be fine. He admits that he's blamed both Alex and Jay inconsistently to deflect the blame from himself.

That's where we get back to this entry. Unlike Jay, who is obsessed with finding Jessica, the only person in the story whose problems one could reasonably blame Jay for, Tim is obsessed with finding Alex. And what is the reason Tim gives for this?

Tim wrote:
We need to be focusing on finding Alex, because he's the one whose actually responsible for all of this; blaming me isn't gonna do anything!


Alex is the most obvious scapegoat for Tim to pass the blame to. Note that Tim doesn't say they need to find Alex because he is a scoundrel, or because he is the most clear and present danger to them, which would all be good reasons, but because he's somehow responsible for all of this.

In Tim's mind Alex let the Operator loose on the whole Marble Hornets crew, Jay, and Jessica, and he might as well be responsible for the Operator stalking Tim as a child, but Tim thinking and saying that doesn't make it true. Alex, despite being an evil psychopath, is not explicitly responsible for the Operator stalking any of them, or anything which happens in the story directly, besides the murder of the bearded man, and (Probably) the disappearance of Brian. Even Jessica's fate happened because the hooded guy and Tim took her into the woods and the Operator got her; the part with Alex very well may have been irrelevant to the overall outcome.

Alex is many things, one of which is a very bad man, but he is essentially out of his mind, and he is anything but responsible. Alex is just as much a random variable in a series of crazy events taking place, in the tangled tendrils of the Operator's tentacle web. But since he is downright evil, he is still Tim's best scapegoat.

In truth, Jay is not responsible for getting Jessica involved. Jay didn't get Jessica involved. He called her twice, told her nothing of the Operator of Marble Hornets, and only asked her about Alex. Alex, in the labyrinth of his crazy mind, assumed Jessica was now involved, and, (This is a pretty big jump by the way) that she needed to be murdered. That is Alex's fault and Alex's alone. This leads Jay and her to run away together, from Alex, before the Operator wipes Jessica's mind and begins stalking her, either because she was with Jay and he is being stalked, which is also not Jay's fault by any reasonable measure, or because the Operator is working with Alex, and Alex wanted her gone.

Likewise, Tim is not responsible for the Operator spreading. Tim mentions in the aforementioned Entry #66 that Brian was his first real friend, and that they met in college, which is also when he started working on with Brian on his Brian's friend (Alex's) movie. Having had no real friends before Marble Hornets, there was no way for Tim to know the Operator spread, and even more pertinently, with his hallucinations repressed by his meds, he had no way of knowing the Operator existed.

The only thing responsible for "everything" happening is the Operator, the passive chaos he exudes, the danger he brings out in humans, and the effect he has on the character's health, mental and physical. But he is not a human, not a person whose actions one can trace to malicious intent, egregious negligence, or insanity. He is not someone Jay or Tim want to blame; they want to blame their respective selves, and as a result, they end up blaming others. It is both their fatal flaw: their obsession with blame in a situation where the blame is quite literally faceless.

That is an amazing revelation about what they're going through.

And that last paragraph might explain what The Operator is: the faceless blame they want to place on others, if not themselves.
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Where did Jay get zip ties? Why would Tim upload this after scolding Jay about making foolish decisions with footage? Why should I believe anyone is still at 79 South Creek? How did Tim come to the conclusion that the address has anything at all to do with Amy or that the college nearby was the one Alex went to to be with her? I appreciate the clarification and answers we were provided with, but this Entry has me scratching my head a bit. Also, if this is either Tim or Tim and Jay both laying a trap, that's a pretty stupid idea and kind of bad writing since 79 South Creek was almost the exact same scenario - possible hostage situation or possibly a trap. If both sides have set a trap, they could just be sitting around waiting for weeks before one goes to the other's place, and with each passing day, logic tells you that it is less and less likely that the "bait" (Alex/Hoody at South Creek, helpless Jay at Tim's) is even still there to be had.

OOG:
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Has anyone asked Troy for a clarification as to whether or not OOG time between entries is canon IG? I think an answer to that would help our understanding of the events an eliminate a lot of false speculation either way, and he should probably be willing to tell us this. Someone tweet him? I don't have Twitter or I would do it.


Overall, its not a bad Entry, but as I said I'm definitely left scratching my head a bit. My favorite part was probably the basically direct admission that Jessica's fate was meant to be ambiguous.

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kiar
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Oh, that was so fantastic. When Jay pulled out the knife - oh Jay. How adorable! When has that ever helped you?
I love how quickly that turned around. Makes sense, too; Tim is physically a bigger guy - it would have been easy for him to overpower Jay. But really, Jay, what were you hoping to accomplish?
At the end, when he was screaming for his camera, he sounded very reminiscent of Alex. Tim did the right thing.

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