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I do see what you mean, but I don't think they want to make Hoody's ID obvious by giving too many clues.
Also, you have to bear in mind the idea that they are probably going to be adding red herrings just to throw people off.


By this point I'm not sure it'd be possible to consider anyone except Brian obvious, no matter how many clues there end up being. And if they do throw in red herrings, it should only be if somebody other than Brian's Hoody, since he's obvious no matter what.


I see your point, I wouldn't say Brian is as obvious as he once was, I want it to be Sarah for teh lulz Razz but seriously, I think atm that all of them have fairly strong evidence to support that they are Hoody, I'm just going to hope it isn't Seth, or it would be a massive let-down for casual viewers.

The only strong point against Amy in my mind is that Alex attacked her (mask off) and I don't think that he'd do that if it was Amy.

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Amethyst.64 wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
I do see what you mean, but I don't think they want to make Hoody's ID obvious by giving too many clues.
Also, you have to bear in mind the idea that they are probably going to be adding red herrings just to throw people off.


By this point I'm not sure it'd be possible to consider anyone except Brian obvious, no matter how many clues there end up being. And if they do throw in red herrings, it should only be if somebody other than Brian's Hoody, since he's obvious no matter what.


I see your point, I wouldn't say Brian is as obvious as he once was, I want it to be Sarah for teh lulz Razz but seriously, I think atm that all of them have fairly strong evidence to support that they are Hoody, I'm just going to hope it isn't Seth, or it would be a massive let-down for casual viewers.

The only strong point against Amy in my mind is that Alex attacked her (mask off) and I don't think that he'd do that if it was Amy.


Didn't we get some muffed words in one Hoody related entry that proves he's at least male?

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gennerx wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
I do see what you mean, but I don't think they want to make Hoody's ID obvious by giving too many clues.
Also, you have to bear in mind the idea that they are probably going to be adding red herrings just to throw people off.


By this point I'm not sure it'd be possible to consider anyone except Brian obvious, no matter how many clues there end up being. And if they do throw in red herrings, it should only be if somebody other than Brian's Hoody, since he's obvious no matter what.


I see your point, I wouldn't say Brian is as obvious as he once was, I want it to be Sarah for teh lulz Razz but seriously, I think atm that all of them have fairly strong evidence to support that they are Hoody, I'm just going to hope it isn't Seth, or it would be a massive let-down for casual viewers.

The only strong point against Amy in my mind is that Alex attacked her (mask off) and I don't think that he'd do that if it was Amy.


Didn't we get some muffed words in one Hoody related entry that proves he's at least male?


No, but if he's not male then that means they had no problem insinuating that Alex is willing to punch a girl in the face

Seth is still just as much a candidate for hoody as brian is. Brian may get more screen time, but Seth has facts around him that make more sense. He would have had access to b-roll footage based on the fact that he was cameraman, he would have noticed the operator before Alex and saw something going on causing him to follow Alex/Jay around, he would have had knowledge on how to edit film, and a frowny face appears when he is taken. The only evidence towards it being Brian is that he appears more often which is not superior to Seth's evidence imo

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 		Re: RE: Amy is Hoody
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@paulisdead18 It's becoming more and more likely that Amy is Hoody, considering the note that said I have him, with a picture of her on the back, the school that Tim went to/is going to is where she went. Also makes a bit more sense while Hoody was more hesitant to kill Alex, in whatever entry it was I forget, but didn't and just ran when TO turned up, even though Hoody had time to shoot him (but yes, killing someone tied up in cold blood would be pretty hard to do anyway).


tbh these points are pretty bunk - if this is all yall got to support amy being hoody then youll making a huge leap of faith

I have no idea how the picture of Amy somehow would point to Amy being Hoody. Like, what, she carries around a picture of herself? Why? Vanity? Or so she can leave it in places where she commits crimes? LOL
Or is it that she found the photo on Alex and decided to make a point by using it for the note? If you think this is the case... why not Hoody just used the photo as a way to mock Alex? Honestly to think this is any evidence for hoody being amy is straight illogical to me. if one of youll can explain it to me please do, if not I have to assume it's straight retarded.

Amy's college being where hoody's supposedly holding alex - I mean she used to go there so it's not like she has a place there now to keep alex at. I guess you could argue she'd know the lay of the land so she'd know a good squatting spot. I don't see this as any big evidence though.

LIke, honestly guys it'd just be weird and a sign of bad writing if anyone but Brian was hoody at this point. It could be Seth I guess but as a lot of people have said, we've hardly heard about the dude ever. It'd feel like a stupid scooby doo "it was the janitor all along!" thing that I really hope this series is above. I remember way back when Masky hadn't officially been revealed as Tim (yes I was browsing this forum back then) it was basically obvious and mostly accepted who Masky was. TBH i'm starting to see hoody as much the same.

but like hey if you wanna give me some points as to why it shouldn't be brian/should be someone else please do tell, I really wanna hear

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 		WARNING. INCREDIBLY LONG POST.
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DHawk: Your long post gave me the feels and I thought the ideas were awesome.


Thanks!

The narrator switch is interesting. I do personally believe Tim went to the college last night, creating two possibilities fro the next entry. 1) Footage of Tim at the college or 2) Jay escapes and gets hold of another camera, and then go to the college himself. Then perhaps he has an encounter with Masky, with Tim's expedition having failed.

The main reason the narrator interesting is due to Jay's nature as a narrator up until recently. That is to say, Jay never actually experienced anything heavy, for while. In the first half of Season 1 Alex may as well have been the main protagonist, but he was not the one uploading the footage. This creates a situation in which Jay acts as a medium between the protagonist and the viewer. However, despite being a part of the protagonist's fictional world, he is much closer to the viewer. In the first half of Season 1 nothing happens to Jay. Jay watches the Marble Hornets footage and is scared, but so do we (and so are we.) Jay interviews Tim who tells him nothing, and Jay goes to an abandoned building where nothing happens. Jay begins appearing in the past footage, but Jay doesn't remember any of the events. The events themselves are also fairly mundane, but this sets a precedent for a dissonance between "Past Jay," who is character in the footage like Alex and Brian, and "Present Jay," the narrator, who is still rather close to us.

The only heavy things that happens to Present Jay are his encounters with Masky, which soon become so mundane that by Entry #33, Jay seems more annoyed by him then anything, hitting him with a maglite and running out pragmatically. The novelty of a mentally ill man trying to tackle him runs thin fast for Jay. Jay's first real encounter with the Operator, not counting Return, which Jay doesn't remember, and is fairly easy for Jay to distance himself from, is Entry #23. Jay doesn't seem to remember the encounter itself, but remembers what led up to it, and it's not very distant from him, time wise or otherwise. It's actually a relatively minor encounter, but it freaks Jay out so much that he quits. He quits so bad that he actually quits again three entries later. This is exactly how the viewer would react, and is perfect for Jay's character at the time. Jay's house burns down after this, which is also fairly heavy. At this point Jay's psychology diverges, into a Past Jay from the seven months, and a Present Jay uploading the Season 2 videos. While Past Jay is never the narrator in any substantive way, examining his character helps us understand the narrator Jay has become most recently.

Past Jay has just had his house burned down, and he is not in the mood for anyone's shit. He is not in the mood for being a stupid detective. He loses his cool as early as Entry #35, beginning to throw things around the room due to the annoyance of nothing being there. When Masky shows up Jay is once again unphased, pragmatically tying him up and making a point to unmask him. He has no patience for Alex's new-crazy-violent self, yelling at him as soon as he breaks Tim's leg. He finally has an Operator encounter he remembers (Although by the Present he's forgotten) and he simply runs away, dropping the camera, deciding to take the rest of the day off. He becomes impatient with Alex fast, and overall becomes impatient in general. This is nearly epitomized when Jay has his least climactic encounter with Masky yet, following him through the woods to the tunnel screaming at him:

Past Jay wrote:
Stop! STOP RUNNING! WHAAAAT?! WHAT DO YOU WAAAANT?!


He's not even a little bit scared, he's just angry. This of course leads to Past Jay's metaphorical death; he eventually encounters the Operator in Entry #52, and begins yelling at him, in rage.

Past Jay wrote:
What do you want?! Leave us alone!


Then he tackles the Operator, bravely, and also completely stupidly. Past Jay's memory is wiped to before he even met Alex again or became angry with the garbage in Entry #35. He reverts to his awkward, inward personality while talking to Jessica, and the most climactic thing that happens to him is he goes to the woods, sees someone in a hoodie is following him, approaches him, and then discovers it's just some guy listening to music.

Important things are not aloud to happen to Present Jay; it is a rule. If they do, he becomes too distant from the audience. This is why the memory loss plot of Season 2 is so ingenious, developing Jay's character by throwing him into the plot, while keeping a distinct narrator Jay to watch over the footage with us. The first thing Present Jay does in Season 3 is act exactly how he acted with Jessica, only with Tim, lying in a way that borders on the compulsory (not to mention very badly,) and of course acting as suspicious as possible at all times, almost to the point where it seems on purpose. However, he eventually has an actually threatening encounter with Masky, for what is probably the second time ever after the first encounter, where Masky nearly suffocates him to death in the woods.

He also begins developing his own distinct psychological problems, separate from the paranoia and jumpiness which, frankly, the audience has too. He begins to feel guilty about involving Jessica and about making things even worse for Tim. The audience doesn't have those feelings, and this begins the second cycle of Jay distancing himself. He has two real Operator encounters, one in the tunnel, which he barely gets away from, and one in Alex's old house, which causes him to have a seizure. And although he doesn't remember it, it affects him in major ways mentally. He begins acting violent, as victims of the Operator often do, mirroring Tim's actions as Masky, and Alex's actions after going insane. This leads to this entry, in which he attempts to assault Tim.

Tim becoming the narrator is interesting. He has many Past Selves which did many things, both wearing the mask and otherwise, but he is still relatively distant in his Present from the Operator, having had only two encounters with him he remembers. Mind you, Jay has had an equal number of encounters he remembers. But Tim is the closest to the audience right now, as his mental state is most in check. This may seems ironic as he is the one with the most mental illness, but in truth that is why he knows how to deal with it so well. I suspect until the balance of audience closeness is tipped, either by Tim having a majorly altering experience, or by Jay getting wiped again, Tim will continue to be the protagonist.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
I do see what you mean, but I don't think they want to make Hoody's ID obvious by giving too many clues.
Also, you have to bear in mind the idea that they are probably going to be adding red herrings just to throw people off.


By this point I'm not sure it'd be possible to consider anyone except Brian obvious, no matter how many clues there end up being. And if they do throw in red herrings, it should only be if somebody other than Brian's Hoody, since he's obvious no matter what.


I see your point, I wouldn't say Brian is as obvious as he once was, I want it to be Sarah for teh lulz Razz but seriously, I think atm that all of them have fairly strong evidence to support that they are Hoody, I'm just going to hope it isn't Seth, or it would be a massive let-down for casual viewers.

The only strong point against Amy in my mind is that Alex attacked her (mask off) and I don't think that he'd do that if it was Amy.


Didn't we get some muffed words in one Hoody related entry that proves he's at least male?


No, but if he's not male then that means they had no problem insinuating that Alex is willing to punch a girl in the face

Seth is still just as much a candidate for hoody as brian is. Brian may get more screen time, but Seth has facts around him that make more sense. He would have had access to b-roll footage based on the fact that he was cameraman, he would have noticed the operator before Alex and saw something going on causing him to follow Alex/Jay around, he would have had knowledge on how to edit film, and a frowny face appears when he is taken. The only evidence towards it being Brian is that he appears more often which is not superior to Seth's evidence imo


I just finished re-watching entry 73. It sounds like he's swearing under his breath when Alex comes out of the attic. Hard to tell who it is but it's defiantly a guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jg22PqvreI&feature=player_detailpage#t=493

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Marble Hornets wrote:
No, but if he's not male then that means they had no problem insinuating that Alex is willing to punch a girl in the face


Because murder and assault are bad, but punching a girl would really be crossing the line?

I don't ascribe to the theory, but implying that Alex is too noble to hit a girl is probably not the strongest argument there.

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Kaveris wrote:
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No, but if he's not male then that means they had no problem insinuating that Alex is willing to punch a girl in the face


Because murder and assault are bad, but punching a girl would really be crossing the line?

I don't ascribe to the theory, but implying that Alex is too noble to hit a girl is probably not the strongest argument there.


Yeah but Alex didn't want to kill Jessica. He even says "i didn't want to have to do this" whereas when he punches hoody he doesn't hesitate

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 		I don't think Alex's hesitation to murder Jessica is due to her gender. He mentions having had many chances to kill Jay and hesitating, and the emotional strength it takes to kill a person is radically different then the strength it takes to punch someone in the face. Even if we were to isolate those points out of the argument, it's possible Alex is more hesitant to kill Jessica because she is truly an innocent bystander. There are many variables possibly leading to why Alex is more hesitant to kill Jessica then punching Hoody in the face, but her gender? I am not convinced.
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Marble Hornets wrote:
Kaveris wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
No, but if he's not male then that means they had no problem insinuating that Alex is willing to punch a girl in the face


Because murder and assault are bad, but punching a girl would really be crossing the line?

I don't ascribe to the theory, but implying that Alex is too noble to hit a girl is probably not the strongest argument there.


Yeah but Alex didn't want to kill Jessica. He even says "i didn't want to have to do this" whereas when he punches hoody he doesn't hesitate


Punching somebody does a lot less harm than killing them. Plus Alex looked a lot more unhinged in #68 than he did in #52 and #76. Also I'm not even sure Alex did punch Hoody in the face, it looked like he was just batting the camera out of his face.

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TheOperator wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Kaveris wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
No, but if he's not male then that means they had no problem insinuating that Alex is willing to punch a girl in the face


Because murder and assault are bad, but punching a girl would really be crossing the line?

I don't ascribe to the theory, but implying that Alex is too noble to hit a girl is probably not the strongest argument there.


Yeah but Alex didn't want to kill Jessica. He even says "i didn't want to have to do this" whereas when he punches hoody he doesn't hesitate


Punching somebody does a lot less harm than killing them. Plus Alex looked a lot more unhinged in #68 than he did in #52 and #76. Also I'm not even sure Alex did punch Hoody in the face, it looked like he was just batting the camera out of his face.


All of this is moot since Hoody has a man's voice.

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gennerx wrote:
I just finished re-watching entry 73. It sounds like he's swearing under his breath when Alex comes out of the attic. Hard to tell who it is but it's defiantly a guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jg22PqvreI&feature=player_detailpage#t=493


I don't hear anything that sounds like speech during that part, even with headphones on at full volume.

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 		I believe that the hooded guy was involved back in Season 1 and that Amy was not, ergo I don't believe they are one in the same. There are other reasons to believe Hoody is a biological man, which I agree with, and I think they are fairly obvious; so obvious in fact, that those who disagree with them are already clearly aware of said reasons. No new evidence is being presented or being analyzed in any new ways. As such, I feel no need to trudge myself into that debate.

However, I would like to bring up one, possibly missed point: In Entry #76, Jessica mentions not getting a good enough look at the hooded guy to tell who it is, and we never see the front of the hooded guy's head, implying to many, including myself, that for some reason he was not wearing the mask, possibly to earn Jessica' trust. After all, Jessica does seem to get a pretty good look at him, at least enough to know if he's wearing a mask.

And Jessica refers to him with male pronouns. So if she even got a vague look at him, she should be correct about his gender. Of course that is all heavily up to interpretation, but I thought since this is being debated, I'd inject this one piece of evidence, for now.
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 		Just thought I'd post it. Best shot I could find from #62. If you look very closely, Tim has the tape in his pocket.

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 		I'm pretty sure the college Amy went to was where Tim lived growing up, ergo near Rosswood, which I thought was different from where he lived now which was College Town near the doctors office. College Town being where Alex and He went and met Brian and MH crew.

Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean its not Amy's school?

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