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CraicIsMighty
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Hazman wrote:
How can you say such a thing? Blasphemer!!!!


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SHUN THE NON BELIEVER SHHHHUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN


I'm not part of your little hokey "religion". Not everyone has to be a slobbering mindless Tim fantard like you. Fuck off and go finger yourselves over Tim back in the Tim thread.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
Hazman wrote:
How can you say such a thing? Blasphemer!!!!


Serum wrote:
SHUN THE NON BELIEVER SHHHHUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN


I'm not part of your little hokey "religion". Not everyone has to be a slobbering mindless Tim fantard like you. Fuck off and go finger yourselves over Tim back in the Tim thread.


Chill out dude, pretty damn sure they're not being serious...

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Sha Noran
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CraicIsMighty wrote:
geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
CraicIsMighty wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
CraicIsMighty wrote:
How has Jay betrayed Tim? It looked like the other way around to me. Tim's been keeping this secret from Jay and yet still acting like Jay is totally irrational not to trust him. Even though Tim's been dangling Jessica like a carrot in front of Jay this whole time despite apparently believing that Jessica "needs to be dead to them".


Well, he jumped him in 75 and brought a knife to hug it out with Tim in 77. It seems everyone and even Jay himself are forgetting Tim's heroic rescue in 72. I say who cares about Tim holding back 76? As Tim and Jay both even acknowledge, the footage isn't conclusive. Holding back the footage probably WAS the best move, as evidenced by Jay freaking out just as expected.


That's like a little kid saying he was justified in not telling his parents he was doing poorly in school because his parents would "freak out". Yeah, they'd probably be upset but if he told his parents that his grades were slipping right away they could get together with teachers right away to figure something out. But if the kid lies about his grades and keeps it secret until his parents find out he's failing at teacher conferences, not only do his parents lose faith and trust in him but the situation will just be that much harder to fix. So yeah, that's just a piss poor excuse that doesn't even deserve serious consideration. Jay got upset BECAUSE Tim kept it a secret.

If Tim had told Jay about the tape as soon as he found out, Jay probably would have been upset for a little while yes, but as long as Tim stuck to his story and swore he didn't remember it Jay probably would've believed him. But because Tim kept it a secret, Jay found out about it at the worst possible moment and had no idea whether or not he could trust Tim any longer. If Tim was truly innocent, why would he hide this tape? His story is just full of holes. If he really did just find it in his pocket, why didn't he tell Jay about it as soon as he found it? And how did he even watch it? Tim said he didn't have a camera that could play those kind of tapes. That means he must've snuck Jay's camera in order to watch it, assuming he didn't already know what was on it. Why would he do that if he was innocent and had no idea what was on it? He had no reason to watch the tape in secret if he was truly innocent. In conclusion, Tim is a liar and Jay would be a gullible fool to trust a word he says.


The only problem with your analogy is that usually the parents aren't slowly having their sanity sucked out through their navels. You can't count on what someone who's coming unhinged will do. A normal, sane person will probably be a little upset but then will talk it out and all's well. A not so normal, not so sane person is just as likely to talk it out with a knife. Not the best possible resolution.

I do kinda wonder if Tim was really trying to protect Jay from the truth or protect himself from the fallout of Jay finding out the truth though. He had to know what Jay's reaction was going to be like or he would have not just unlocked the door and hid the way he did. So was he trying to keep himself from getting a knife to the back or was he trying to keep Jay as sane as possible?


But if Tim is telling the truth about getting it back at the beginning of the season, Jay was still in a decent mental state back then. If Tim had told him then, he probably would have been met with a more favorable outcome. But since he waited and kept it secret, Jay found out at the worst possible time, when his mental state was strained and deteriorating. And keeping secrets from such a person just seems like a really unwise move. And that still doesn't answer the question of why Tim even watched the tape in secret in the first place.

The whole situation just mirrors the shit Alex pulled in season 2, manipulating Jay and leading him along while keeping him in the dark. Alex also tried to keep a tape that made him look bad secret from him, but even after Jay saw entry 51 he still trusted Alex enough to give him the benefit of the doubt to follow him into Rosswood-and almost got himself and jessica killed. So when Tim pulled the same shit with keeping a suspicious tape secret, it's only natural imo that Jay would react more aggressively. For all Jay knows, Tim had just as nefarious things planned for him as Alex did.


Meh, I disagree. Jay mirrors Alex more than Tim mirrors Alex. And the parents+grades analogy doesn't really fit. These are adults, not children. A child hides bad grades from parents to avoid "getting in trouble". Tim hid this because he thought his only friend and ally (Tim being someone who hasn't ever had many friends anyway) would abandon him. Any decent parent wouldn't abandon or kill their child over bad grades.

Also I feel compelled to point out that we haven't actually seen Tim hurt anyone particularly severely, even as Masky. He's tackled a few people, but Alex has killed a stranger, pulled a gun on Jay once and Jessica twice, shot at Hoody, hit Tim in the back of the head with rebar, broke Tim's leg, beat Jay unconscious, and drawn Seth and Brian to dangerous places TO could snag them. Hoody has a gun, hit Alex unconscious with a piece of rebar, tied him up, put a gun to a man's head, allowed or perhaps even coerced TiMasky to beat Alex. Jay has pulled a knife more than once now, smashed Masky in the head with a maglite, endagered all of their lives with his YouTube derpiness, brought zipties to a "talk", basically got Jessica involved for no reason, and attacked Tim unprovoked over a tape that he had no idea of the contents under the premise that a crazy fuck on the internet said he shouldn't trust Tim. Frankly if I had any of the main characters as an ally I would want it to be Tim because he is the least likely to stab me in the back, given the evidence.

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 		There is a simple answer that doesn't need as much elaboration as you guys are giving it


Tim betrayed Jay by keeping things from him after he said he wouldn't. The reason he kept the tape from Jay was because it showed him and Hoody using Jessica as bait, something Jay clearly would have a problem with.

Jay betrayed Tim by not trusting him, and then taking a knife to him. This is after Tim caught Jay lying early on in season 3, and decided to trust Jay anyway, Jay should have known sometimes hiding the truth has a purpose.


Neither side is at fault. Tim shouldn't have lied knowing Jay desperately wants to know what's going on, and Jay should have had more faith in Tim's judgment calls (which is obviously hard after what happened with Alex)

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Sha Noran wrote:
Also I feel compelled to point out that we haven't actually seen Tim hurt anyone particularly severely, even as Masky. He's tackled a few people, but Alex has killed a stranger, pulled a gun on Jay once and Jessica twice, shot at Hoody, hit Tim in the back of the head with rebar, broke Tim's leg, beat Jay unconscious, and drawn Seth and Brian to dangerous places TO could snag them. Hoody has a gun, hit Alex unconscious with a piece of rebar, tied him up, put a gun to a man's head, allowed or perhaps even coerced TiMasky to beat Alex. Jay has pulled a knife more than once now, smashed Masky in the head with a maglite, endagered all of their lives with his YouTube derpiness, brought zipties to a "talk", basically got Jessica involved for no reason, and attacked Tim unprovoked over a tape that he had no idea of the contents under the premise that a crazy fuck on the internet said he shouldn't trust Tim. Frankly if I had any of the main characters as an ally I would want it to be Tim because he is the least likely to stab me in the back, given the evidence.


Well, he did start choking Alex while he was Masky but since by that point Alex had already knocked him out with a piece of rebar, tied him up, broke his leg and abandoned him once at the hospital and once at that house, I won't hold that against him. At that point, Alex kinda had it coming. And he's punched Jay at least 3 times but Jay kinda had those coming too. And I wouldn't fault Hoody too much either since most of his violence has been aimed towards Alex, who at this point is almost too dangerous to leave alive. It seems like Alex and Jay are the ones causing the most harm out of the human side of the cast.

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 		Tim also choked Jay out in the woods as Masky

If Alex knew Tim was the reason the operator was now in his life, he is justified in his actions.

I still have hope Alex is not a bad guy, as in mostly every bad act we've seen him do was due to the operator's influence over his mind, against his control. For example, when he kills Bruce, it's not the Alex we know from early season 1. Entry 29 has him go back the next day after watching the footage, in disbelief at what the camera caught him doing. In reality he experienced a blackout and didn't remember any of it.

If you think about it, he could have sacrificed Jay at any point after entry 34, well before Jessica was ever involved. Instead he asks Jay for help and seemingly doesnt bother Jay for months after entry 43. This is well after Alex knows about the Marble Hornets YT channel as well (as he wouldn't have bothered to send entry 26 if it didn't exist)

He clearly used Jay to lure out Tim in entry 35, I don't think he always had ill intentions for Jay. It wasnt until Jay broke into Alex's house that he resorts to violence. This isn't completely uncalled for, as now Alex knows Jay will never trust him again, and he has no reason to trust Jay anymore.

As far as killing Jessica goes, he also apparently didnt want to do it, but there was a reason he had to (a reason we don't know yet, but my assumption is that he is killing off people involved with the operator so the operator can't take them over, he thinks the only way to kill the beast is to isolate it) - this would also explain why he is very hesitant with trusting Jay after entry 40

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Amethyst.64 wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
He didn't speak to Jay in person because it was blatant manipulation. He and Amy intended to draw him somewhere and eliminate him, but after delivering the tape they were slenderwiped of the entire few months prior back to the actual filming of 26. This caused Amy to run off, insane, and be more along the lines of the Hoody we know today and Alex to seek Jay's help in finding Amy because the last thing he remembers is the contents of 26. It's not really that complicated of a theory.


Doesn't this rely on Alex/Amy changing the dates on the tape? Which, I've said before, I really can't see the point in them doing.


The whole point in doing so would be if they engineered the tape.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
I still have hope Alex is not a bad guy, as in mostly every bad act we've seen him do was due to the operator's influence over his mind, against his control.

I feel it is either this, or TO tried to control Hoody, Tim, and Alex at different times, but Alex was the only one who decided to embrace the control.

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thisistheend wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
I still have hope Alex is not a bad guy, as in mostly every bad act we've seen him do was due to the operator's influence over his mind, against his control.

I feel it is either this, or TO tried to control Hoody, Tim, and Alex at different times, but Alex was the only one who decided to embrace the control.


or maybe he just stuck to alex bc tim and hoody had been taking the pills

actually i never thought about that angle... its a stretch but what if in entry 55 if tim went to his doctor shortly after, that thats when he is prescribed the pills, and why the operator took focus on alex.

eh... i'm not satisfied with that but maybe someone can build on it

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 		This thread is slowly becoming too much of a hassle to read. You have petty arguments and outlandish theories being tossed left and right. Can we please try to reign this in?

- Tim should've given Jay the tape right away.

- Jay is slowly becoming more and more insane, and more and more like Alex

- Tim isn't the paragon of sanity, either. I'm sure if he gets his hands on Alex, as Masky or not, there's gonna be a fuckton of blood.

- Amy isn't Hoody, come on now.

- Just because the meds worked that one time doesn't mean Tim is safe from our Tall Friend. We still know absolutely nothing about him.

Anything else?
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Beidah wrote:
This thread is slowly becoming too much of a hassle to read. You have petty arguments and outlandish theories being tossed left and right. Can we please try to reign this in?

- Tim should've given Jay the tape right away.

- Jay is slowly becoming more and more insane, and more and more like Alex

- Tim isn't the paragon of sanity, either. I'm sure if he gets his hands on Alex, as Masky or not, there's gonna be a fuckton of blood.

- Amy isn't Hoody, come on now.

- Just because the meds worked that one time doesn't mean Tim is safe from our Tall Friend. We still know absolutely nothing about him.

Anything else?

Honestly murdering the hell out of Alex seems relatively sane at this point.

In any case, doesn't make sense to say that pills make you "safe" from The Operator; Masky and Hoody have both had to run from The Operator (#45) or at least stay hidden (every entry in which Hoody appears), regardless of whether or not pills were present.

At best I think what's been established is that the pills are anti-epileptics and proximity to TO-related disturbances induces coughing. Prolonged exposure produces epilepsy and potentially these trances that have been described and experienced by both Tim and Jay. (Both of these characters, as well as Hoody, have had prolonged exposure to The Operator, if we accept that Hoody is one of the original MH cast - whether that is one of the remaining cast members or if we accept Future Jay theory. Tim has had evidenced TO experience from at least childhood, while #71 shows that Jay had been Slendyattacked long before any of this started.)

At this point, Hoody, Jay, and Tim have all exhibited symptoms, and the pills have been offered as a means of alleviating these symptoms.

For Hoody, in Entry #73;
For Jay, in Entry #74;
For Tim, in"Entry"/Entry #61 and numerous other Entries. Significantly, Timasky experiences a seizure in Entry #18, after Jay has taken the pills from the building in #16 (and then in #19.5 the pills have mysteriously disappeared, with the likely thieves being either Hoody or Timasky).

We know that post-seizure Jay has also experienced these trances that may mirror what Tim has described and experienced. We also know that the timeframe for these effects to occur isn't necessarily that long; we know Jay has been experiencing coughing and trances since at least Entry #19.

This is not to say that trances = the often suggested "Masky state." It is fully possible that Tim had consciously and knowingly donned the Mask in the past but lost his memory of his motives for doing so Post-Entry-#52, chronologically IG. (Of course, this fails to explain what the hell was going on in Entry #62, which is probably the biggest proponent for some kind of Masky-state theory.)

TL;DR: The pills may be able to suppress symptoms of a larger problem at best, but they have not been shown to be anti-Slendy pills, nor has any character acted in such a way that they can be said to BE anti-Slendy pills. They're most likely just medicine that helps with the physical ailments that come with being Slendyhaunted.
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Beidah wrote:
This thread is slowly becoming too much of a hassle to read. You have petty arguments and outlandish theories being tossed left and right. Can we please try to reign this in?

- Tim should've given Jay the tape right away.

- Jay is slowly becoming more and more insane, and more and more like Alex

- Tim isn't the paragon of sanity, either. I'm sure if he gets his hands on Alex, as Masky or not, there's gonna be a fuckton of blood.

- Amy isn't Hoody, come on now.

- Just because the meds worked that one time doesn't mean Tim is safe from our Tall Friend. We still know absolutely nothing about him.

Anything else?


Yeah. Put on your reading glasses if you're having trouble reading.

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Beidah wrote:
This thread is slowly becoming too much of a hassle to read. You have petty arguments and outlandish theories being tossed left and right. Can we please try to reign this in?

- Tim should've given Jay the tape right away.

- Jay is slowly becoming more and more insane, and more and more like Alex

- Tim isn't the paragon of sanity, either. I'm sure if he gets his hands on Alex, as Masky or not, there's gonna be a fuckton of blood.

- Amy isn't Hoody, come on now.

- Just because the meds worked that one time doesn't mean Tim is safe from our Tall Friend. We still know absolutely nothing about him.

Anything else?


I dunno what you mean by petty arguments. The last few pages actually had some legit discussion until someone started telling people to fuck off and go finger themselves elsewhere, lol. You storm in, say people are idiots, then state speculation as fact - not exactly the best way to reign in a derailed thread. Frankly, Amy could be Hoody, and not to toot my own horn but my theory behind that possibility is the most fleshed out I've seen yet. I don't even really believe it (I would still bet on Brian, if I was a betting man) but it certainly makes sense at the very least. I disregarded it as a junk theory in the past, but it actually makes sense IG and OOG the way I presented it - both as a writer's explanation for S1 after the fact and as a legit plot line. Disregard it as you please if you prefer another theory, but if you really wanna shut someone up you should present evidence to refute the disputed theory, not just stomp into the thread and insist several pages of conjecture are worthless. Just sayin'.

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 		Here, why don't we change the topic for a moment:

What are/were Hoody and Masky trying to achieve? I can't figure for the life of me whether or not they're aligned with TO or are trying to prevent Tim from being infected or trying to stop Alex at this point. They seem to be just running interference on everyone without any clear reason except they might be proxies, but again, even this is only speculation.

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 		Better suited to the #76 thread, but given how that derailed, fair enough.

I tink they're trying to protect Jay from Alex, and possibly TO.

I doubt theyre proxies, they used that trope in slender the arrival and I'm hoping they have other ideas.

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