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[VIDEO] Entry #77
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CraicIsMighty
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So who died and made Tim a doctor? First giving Jay prescription medication without his consent, now stealing Jay's property "for his own good", Tim should open his own practice. Rolling Eyes

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Ztakk wrote:
Random thought and I have absolutely no theory to back it up or anything, but what if the OP doll is a sort of voodoo doll against TO? We've seen the doll a few times and TO or something dangerous has been near, but we've only seen Jay actively pick up the doll, or ignore it so he's not using it right (or at all). Like I said, nothing to back it up.


why wouldn't hoody just carry it around all the time then? pretty weak theory

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
So who died and made Tim a doctor? First giving Jay prescription medication without his consent, now stealing Jay's property "for his own good", Tim should open his own practice. Rolling Eyes


Oh right get a real doctor involved. Excuse me doctor I need a prescription for anti-seizure meds to help me fight an eldritch horror with no face. That would turn out well.

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Well, regarding the pills, he could have just tried and get them from whichever doctor prescribed them to him originally under the same reasoning he used then.

Speaking of which, I never understood, why did Tim need to go to his house to restock on pills anyway? If they were heading all the way to Rosswood Town to get them, they'd probably have been close enough to just visit his doctor and refill anyway. I mean, yes, he was probably more concerned with the tape and with Alex than with the pills, but it was a kinda crappy excuse to begin with.

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TheJoker wrote:
Well, regarding the pills, he could have just tried and get them from whichever doctor prescribed them to him originally under the same reasoning he used then.

Speaking of which, I never understood, why did Tim need to go to his house to restock on pills anyway? If they were heading all the way to Rosswood Town to get them, they'd probably have been close enough to just visit his doctor and refill anyway. I mean, yes, he was probably more concerned with the tape and with Alex than with the pills, but it was a kinda crappy excuse to begin with.


Maybe he gets them mailed to him?

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Ztakk wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
Well, regarding the pills, he could have just tried and get them from whichever doctor prescribed them to him originally under the same reasoning he used then.

Speaking of which, I never understood, why did Tim need to go to his house to restock on pills anyway? If they were heading all the way to Rosswood Town to get them, they'd probably have been close enough to just visit his doctor and refill anyway. I mean, yes, he was probably more concerned with the tape and with Alex than with the pills, but it was a kinda crappy excuse to begin with.


Maybe he gets them mailed to him?


Or he knew he had some and was trying to save the money. Hotel rooms and gas station beef jerky are expensive, you know.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
So who died and made Tim a doctor? First giving Jay prescription medication without his consent, now stealing Jay's property "for his own good", Tim should open his own practice. Rolling Eyes


You don't have to be a doctor to realize Jay needs help. Jay approached Tim with a knife and zipties. It would have been reasonable for him to detain Jay from the start. But he didn't. He sat him down on the couch and tried to talk to him. Then Jay went for the knife again, and finally Tim decided to tie him up. Not letting him have his camera when it's clearly driving him further insane seems reasonable to me. Maybe unethical based on some really rigid definitions of patient consent and such, but I think that's comparing apples and oranges. Tim's not a doctor and Jay's not his patient, Jay is Tim's friend who just attempted to assault him twice in a row.

Honestly their situation is exceptional; there is no real life precedent for how to do things when you're fighting a serial killer with an eldritch monster on his side. Obviously they should call the police. But that's more to do with suspension of disbelieve with the series being fictional then it has to do with the decisions the characters make. They're on the run a supernatural monster, I simply don't believe you can hold Tim to these kinds of real life standards.

It is entirely possible that Jay never would have bounced back to consciousness if he never gave him the pills. Is it legal? No it's not legal at all, objectively so, but their situation is the definition of desperate. For all Tim knew Jay's encounter with the Operator effected him so badly that Jay was dying. For all we know Jay was dying. I simply can't put myself in Tim's shoes and really say he's a bad person for making these decisions, about the meds or about tying him up. But I get that it's sorta a gray area. What doesn't seem as gray to me is the camera; I mean seriously, stealing Jay's camera makes him a bad person? Jay has stolen countless things from Alex. Heck Jay just recently stole Tim's tape. I think really judging Tim for that is a bit of a stretch. It was pretty clear that it was driving him bonkers.
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TheJoker wrote:
Well, regarding the pills, he could have just tried and get them from whichever doctor prescribed them to him originally under the same reasoning he used then.

Speaking of which, I never understood, why did Tim need to go to his house to restock on pills anyway? If they were heading all the way to Rosswood Town to get them, they'd probably have been close enough to just visit his doctor and refill anyway. I mean, yes, he was probably more concerned with the tape and with Alex than with the pills, but it was a kinda crappy excuse to begin with.


I think you answered your own question. What Tim was really after was, in order of priority:

1. The tape.
2. Alex.
3. Pills.

There are other sources for the pills, but I bet Tim was really stressing over that tape, and he knew Jay would want it when he saw 73. And of course, psycho Alex in his attic. I'd be pretty worried about that too.

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In the spirit of over-thinking, I present a half-baked idea I've had since the first time I saw this entry: what if Jay's "we need to talk" Tweet wasn't the prelude to #77, but the aftermath?

I gave this a little more credence after everyone pretty much agreed a couple pages ago that Jay would've been able to free himself not long after Tim left.

The events of #77 happened. Tim comes home to find Jay gone, and spends the next hour or so searching his house for yet another psychopath lying in wait for him. Jay, meanwhile has time to think things over. He tries calling Tim, who ignores him. So Jay goes to Twitter. No mention of the incident, no apology, nothing. Just a demand for contact. Maybe he's snapped out of what was wrong with him, or maybe he's moved Tim's name to the top of his "to kill with death" list. The point is, he was planning to act like nothing had happened since #75 that would make Tim not talk to him.

Tim sees this, and uploads #77. Not to keep us informed of their 'investigation', but to show us that all is not as Jay says it is. To give us a heads-up that if Jay were to let's say, claim that Tim had turned on him, and been up to no good from the start, we can't just assume that's true. Indeed, Jay's the one who tried to attack him with a knife.

Reading Tim's text at the end, it's clear he was trying justify his actions and convince us that he's not the bad guy in this. Which makes me wonder why he cares what a bunch of strangers on the internet think of him, but that's probably a subject for a different thread.

And no, this isn't a serious theory, just an idea I found interesting.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
In the spirit of over-thinking, I present a half-baked idea I've had since the first time I saw this entry: what if Jay's "we need to talk" Tweet wasn't the prelude to #77, but the aftermath?

I gave this a little more credence after everyone pretty much agreed a couple pages ago that Jay would've been able to free himself not long after Tim left.

The events of #77 happened. Tim comes home to find Jay gone, and spends the next hour or so searching his house for yet another psychopath lying in wait for him. Jay, meanwhile has time to think things over. He tries calling Tim, who ignores him. So Jay goes to Twitter. No mention of the incident, no apology, nothing. Just a demand for contact. Maybe he's snapped out of what was wrong with him, or maybe he's moved Tim's name to the top of his "to kill with death" list. The point is, he was planning to act like nothing had happened since #75 that would make Tim not talk to him.

Tim sees this, and uploads #77. Not to keep us informed of their 'investigation', but to show us that all is not as Jay says it is. To give us a heads-up that if Jay were to let's say, claim that Tim had turned on him, and been up to no good from the start, we can't just assume that's true. Indeed, Jay's the one who tried to attack him with a knife.

Reading Tim's text at the end, it's clear he was trying justify his actions and convince us that he's not the bad guy in this. Which makes me wonder why he cares what a bunch of strangers on the internet think of him, but that's probably a subject for a different thread.

And no, this isn't a serious theory, just an idea I found interesting.


I actually really like this idea, it would be very interesting.

The only thing I think that doesn't fit with it is that Tim would have surely told us in the end of video text, and that makes me sad Sad

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Katsatitagain
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Serious or not Medusa, I quite liked it. I've been wondering that too. While I wouldn't put it past them for doing another, -obviously something hass happened right after this entry, but it isn't posted till weeks later but is supposed to be taken as right away scenario- I think its quite possible that Entry 78 has happened already, and possible happened before 77 was even posted. After all, I don't think Tim thinks like Jay, about "if something happens to me, I need to post this first"

Or maybe I'm just half-baking another muffin from your idea.

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@Amethyst: That's the problem. Now that we know for fact that Tim has and will lie if he thinks it's justified, everything he says and does is suspect.

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Ya know, if Tim had given Jay the video when he first got it, things wouldn't have gotten out of hand like this. Unfortunately, Jay didn't get the video until after he started getting more mentally unstable.
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The video showed Tim and Hoody using Jessica to lure out Alex. Jay wouldn't have liked it no matter when he was shown it.

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That's not quite what the video showed. People keep saying, "Why else were they taking her to the forest?", but they forget that Hoody seems to have a magical disappearing hut out there. Also, Jay believed Tim when he said he doesn't remember being Masky, so why would Jay be mad at this thing that Masky did when he isn't mad at Tim for attacking him?
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