Return to Unfiction unforum
 a.r.g.b.b 
FAQ FAQ   Search Search 
 
Welcome!
New users, PLEASE read these forum guidelines. New posters, SEARCH before posting and read these rules before posting your killer new campaign. New players may also wish to peruse the ARG Player Tutorial.

All users must abide by the Terms of Service.
Website Restoration Project
This archiving project is a collaboration between Unfiction and Sean Stacey (SpaceBass), Brian Enigma (BrianEnigma), and Laura E. Hall (lehall) with
the Center for Immersive Arts.
Announcements
This is a static snapshot of the
Unfiction forums, as of
July 23, 2017.
This site is intended as an archive to chronicle the history of Alternate Reality Games.
 
The time now is Fri Nov 15, 2024 12:34 am
All times are UTC - 4 (DST in action)
View posts in this forum since last visit
View unanswered posts in this forum
Calendar
 Forum index » Chaotic Fiction » Marble Hornets
[VIDEO] Entry #77
Moderators: Giskard, JKatkina, Zarggg
View previous topicView next topic
Page 34 of 35 [524 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 32, 33, 34, 35  Next
Author Message
Dacad
Veteran

Joined: 25 Oct 2013
Posts: 121

Hasn't it been confirmed that Tim was taking anti seizure meds? I think his documents that Jay found specifically mentioned that he was on anti-convulsants.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:11 am
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Master of Octopi
Veteran

Joined: 05 Sep 2013
Posts: 115

Sha Noran wrote:

When we were discussing this a couple months ago, we came to the conclusion that they were probably anti-seizure meds. Anti-seizure meds work to control the electrical impulses in the brain that overload to cause seizures. It would make sense that these might function as a defense against TO due to his emp-like effect that scrambles both memories and nearby recording equipment.


Yes, I remember the discussion on it. It certainly makes sense to me, I'm just saying that I'm not entirely sold on it, consensus or no. Mainly, my doubts come from the relative ease in finding inexpensive, readily available supplies of standard anti-convulsants. It's just never sit right with me, considering the lengths Tim has gone to stockpile the pills, and Tim taking a handful of them at once. Most anti-epileptics can cause the patient to go into a coma during an overdose like that, though I'd need to know exactly what he was taking and how long he'd been taking it to be sure.

Still, I feel like most arguments on the topic are entirely academic; the point is that they somehow allow whoever is taking them to better resist the effects of the Operator.

Dacad wrote:
Hasn't it been confirmed that Tim was taking anti seizure meds? I think his documents that Jay found specifically mentioned that he was on anti-convulsants.


I don't remember that; I thought most of the pertinent details were redacted. If that's the case, though, then it's pretty damn well settled. I'll have to cannonball the series again this weekend. Also, I like that your user name is a palindrome.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:53 am
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Amethyst.64
Decorated


Joined: 27 Aug 2013
Posts: 180
Location: UK

Starkley wrote:

To be fair, there aren't many things that Trosephim DID plan out in Season 1.


Hence I find it unlikely they would have decided how they planned to negate TO's effects

Starkley wrote:

It's not THAT far of a stretch when you really think about it.


And again, I don't really see it as a stretch at all.
I think I just want it to be a little more other-wordly and supernatural, so I'm not a huge fan of the idea that he disrupts electrical currents as it just seems very normal.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:09 pm
 View user's profile Visit poster's website
 Back to top 
Starkley
Unfettered


Joined: 12 Jul 2012
Posts: 326

Amethyst.64 wrote:

I think I just want it to be a little more other-wordly and supernatural, so I'm not a huge fan of the idea that he disrupts electrical currents as it just seems very normal.


The way I look at it is that the medicine helps with symptoms of TO's effects but in the long run doesn't actually save you. I mean, we've seen Tim get TO-ported to hell and back in #65 and it's been implied he's been slendy-haunted his whole life; Hoody and Masky still have to flee from TO in #45, etc.
_________________
MH Database
EMH Database

TO is aliens.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:31 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Dacad
Veteran

Joined: 25 Oct 2013
Posts: 121

[quote="Master of Octopi"]
Sha Noran wrote:

Dacad wrote:
Hasn't it been confirmed that Tim was taking anti seizure meds? I think his documents that Jay found specifically mentioned that he was on anti-convulsants.


I don't remember that; I thought most of the pertinent details were redacted. If that's the case, though, then it's pretty damn well settled. I'll have to cannonball the series again this weekend. Also, I like that your user name is a palindrome.

Entry 60.5, at 1:31 in the video, the document confirms that Tim was on seizure medication at one point in his childhood. Whether he is still on it is another thing. My younger brother once had a seizure, and he took pills for some time afterwards, though the doctors let him stop after a time. I just assumed Tim's present pills were for seizures because he's been known to take them in the past, and because without them, he has a seizure which is what triggers the Masky state.

Here's a theory: what if the pills also serve the reverse function? That is, Masky can use them to stay as Masky. I've had a theory about Masky/Hoody's abilities for a while, which I'll need to post at some point, but to make a long story short, neither of them would want to suddenly switch back during a job, thus the pills.

As for my username, I'm not sure if I did that on purpose or not. I first created "dacad" as the name of a dummy account on an MMORPG several years ago, and I've kinda stuck with the word since then.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:43 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Sha Noran
Entrenched


Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 919

You've bungled your quoting but you're right in your first assessment, regarding 60.5. I don't think the pills keep Masky as Masky though... That runs contrary to everything we know about the pills effects. They aren't supernatural or magical pills. They seem to keep Masky at bay - they wouldn't suddenly do just the opposite and keep real Tim at bay. If they did that they never would've made it through medical trials... "induces psychosis" lol.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:50 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Starkley
Unfettered


Joined: 12 Jul 2012
Posts: 326

I think we should consider that Tim has possibly been exposed to The Operator more than Hoody. We don't really know much about Hoody's past with The Operator (because we don't know who Hoody is), but we can deduct based on Tim's own statements and the medical documents that he has a storied past with it.

Therefore, I'd say that what the pills do for Tim are different from what the pills do for Hoody, because Tim is suffering from a more prolonged exposure to The Operator with more severe effects. Tim without pills suffers seizures and seems to revert to his feral Masky state, gravitating towards Rosswood Park. His wearing of the mask seems more compulsive than deliberate.

I proffer that in contrast to Masky, Hoody's wearing of the mask is (still) a deliberate choice. The pills and the masks are not necessarily connected. Rather, because Hoody hasn't been exposed to The Operator as much as Tim (and possibly most of the cast, keep in mind that we've never seen Hoody get attacked directly by The Operator, and that Hoody stays behind the scenes), the effects of being without pills differ from the effects which Jay and Tim receive. Whereas Jay and Tim will seize, pass out, and enter trance-like states in which they do things they cannot remember or control, Hoody suffers bouts of coughing and fainting, but seems to retain his consciousness upon awakening, and maintains continuity in in his actions (Entry #73). Hoody still needs the pills, because in all likelihood he has suffered from exposure to The Operator (especially if he is, in all likelihood, a member of the original MH cast), but not to the degree which Jay and Tim do. However, prolonged durations without the pills effects may worsen or make the subject more susceptible to Slendersickness.

The mask, on the other hand, may serve the more practical and conscious function of keeping Hoody's identity secret, for various reasons. Hoody doesn't just revert to his mask when without pills; we've seen that he can decide to take it on and off regardless of how long he's been with or without them. Hoody's actions while wearing the mask seem purposeful and consistent, whereas Tim (in Season 3) shows more wild and feral behavior while under the mask (especially considering he dons the mask after a prolonged duration without medication).

Just a brief examination on the topic.
_________________
MH Database
EMH Database

TO is aliens.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:20 pm
Last edited by Starkley on Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:04 am; edited 1 time in total
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Beidah
Unfettered


Joined: 02 Aug 2011
Posts: 702
Location: Floating in the Void

Sha Noran wrote:
You've bungled your quoting but you're right in your first assessment, regarding 60.5. I don't think the pills keep Masky as Masky though... That runs contrary to everything we know about the pills effects. They aren't supernatural or magical pills. They seem to keep Masky at bay - they wouldn't suddenly do just the opposite and keep real Tim at bay. If they did that they never would've made it through medical trials... "induces psychosis" lol.


What if the pills keep him at whatever personality he's in? A sort of "mode lock", if you will.
_________________
How can I help but use your eyes as a means for self-asphyxiation?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:14 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Dacad
Veteran

Joined: 25 Oct 2013
Posts: 121

Beidah wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
You've bungled your quoting but you're right in your first assessment, regarding 60.5. I don't think the pills keep Masky as Masky though... That runs contrary to everything we know about the pills effects. They aren't supernatural or magical pills. They seem to keep Masky at bay - they wouldn't suddenly do just the opposite and keep real Tim at bay. If they did that they never would've made it through medical trials... "induces psychosis" lol.


What if the pills keep him at whatever personality he's in? A sort of "mode lock", if you will.

That's what I was suggesting earlier, though I guess I didn't word it as well as I could have.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:46 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Sha Noran
Entrenched


Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 919

Dacad wrote:
Beidah wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
You've bungled your quoting but you're right in your first assessment, regarding 60.5. I don't think the pills keep Masky as Masky though... That runs contrary to everything we know about the pills effects. They aren't supernatural or magical pills. They seem to keep Masky at bay - they wouldn't suddenly do just the opposite and keep real Tim at bay. If they did that they never would've made it through medical trials... "induces psychosis" lol.


What if the pills keep him at whatever personality he's in? A sort of "mode lock", if you will.

That's what I was suggesting earlier, though I guess I didn't word it as well as I could have.


Yeah, I understood the implication. I just don't think that's something pills would do, and furthermore I think they're anti-seizure meds, not medication for severe psychosis.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:03 am
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Ztakk
Entrenched


Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Posts: 868

Sha Noran wrote:
Dacad wrote:
Beidah wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
You've bungled your quoting but you're right in your first assessment, regarding 60.5. I don't think the pills keep Masky as Masky though... That runs contrary to everything we know about the pills effects. They aren't supernatural or magical pills. They seem to keep Masky at bay - they wouldn't suddenly do just the opposite and keep real Tim at bay. If they did that they never would've made it through medical trials... "induces psychosis" lol.


What if the pills keep him at whatever personality he's in? A sort of "mode lock", if you will.

That's what I was suggesting earlier, though I guess I didn't word it as well as I could have.


Yeah, I understood the implication. I just don't think that's something pills would do, and furthermore I think they're anti-seizure meds, not medication for severe psychosis.


I thought that seizure=personality change? Things do happen in the brain during a seizure, so it could be the anti-seizure meds, with preventing a seizure when Tim's in either personality would be a sort of "mode-lock".

Even with this we don't know what pills Tim is on now. We know he was on seizure medication at one point, but we don't know if he is still taking them now or if he's on different medication.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:01 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Serum
Guest


Okay, guys. You know I'm all for needlessly analyzing stuff-- everything from cigarette butts in the parking lot to the doorknobs in the mall, but come on. You've speculated for like, 30-something pages about a deeper, hidden meaning in the video. I think it's pretty obvious what's going on:

Tim has assumed the role of hero because Jay is going down the path of Alex.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I'd also like to think that my Timman posters have skyrocketed Mister Sutton to fame and I'm the reason he's first bill, now.


PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:07 pm
 Back to top 
Sha Noran
Entrenched


Joined: 29 Apr 2013
Posts: 919

Serum wrote:
Okay, guys. You know I'm all for needlessly analyzing stuff-- everything from cigarette butts in the parking lot to the doorknobs in the mall, but come on. You've speculated for like, 30-something pages about a deeper, hidden meaning in the video. I think it's pretty obvious what's going on:

Tim has assumed the role of hero because Jay is going down the path of Alex.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I'd also like to think that my Timman posters have skyrocketed Mister Sutton to fame and I'm the reason he's first bill, now.


I hope Tim has a restraining order against you. If he doesn't have one he should get one. You are, in my mind, the definition of a fan going too far. It's straight up creeper mode man.

Also, on topic: I see no evidence or reason to believe that Tim MUST have a seizure to become Masky, or vice versa (actually, especially vice versa). So while that's an interesting interpretation of Entry 61, I think you're making some leaps in logic and misunderstanding the cause/effect relationship between different events. Saying seizures cause the Masky state is the same to me as saying coughing causes the Masky state - I think they are all different symptoms of TO and Tim's mental disorder.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:02 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Serum
Guest


Sha Noran wrote:
Serum wrote:
Okay, guys. You know I'm all for needlessly analyzing stuff-- everything from cigarette butts in the parking lot to the doorknobs in the mall, but come on. You've speculated for like, 30-something pages about a deeper, hidden meaning in the video. I think it's pretty obvious what's going on:

Tim has assumed the role of hero because Jay is going down the path of Alex.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I'd also like to think that my Timman posters have skyrocketed Mister Sutton to fame and I'm the reason he's first bill, now.


I hope Tim has a restraining order against you. If he doesn't have one he should get one. You are, in my mind, the definition of a fan going too far. It's straight up creeper


Please, you know as well as I that not even I, the prophet Timhammad can stand in the presence of the Almighty Tim without exploding from his pure awesomeness.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:19 pm
 Back to top 
FalloutGhoul
Unfettered

Joined: 22 Jun 2012
Posts: 475
Location: Wisconsin

Keep your gushing on the Tim Thread, Serum. Neutral
_________________
What are you looking at, smooth-skin?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:13 pm
 View user's profile MSN Messenger
 Back to top 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 34 of 35 [524 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, ..., 32, 33, 34, 35  Next
View previous topicView next topic
 Forum index » Chaotic Fiction » Marble Hornets
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group