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[VIDEO] Entry #78
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Aeliott
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[Rare poster crawling out of woodwork]

I think Hoody could be orchestrating things more than we might realise. As several have pointed out already, Hoody isn't exactly "rescuing" Jay, it's pretty evident he's just using him for some purpose, as if Entry 77 was a mistake that Hoody's rectifying. The significance of Hoody giving him a camera again...this may be a classic UF theory overload, but I got the impression it was important that Jay had a camera. As if the events being filmed is somehow important to...whatever it is Hoody's trying to set up
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
apart from the obvious OOG reasons that we wouldn't see what was going on

Hoody wants Jay to be filming.
Tim doesn't strike me as someone who sees it necessary to film it all, even though he warmed up to it when he was with Jay, since his outburst upon discovering Jay had made his finds public.

Jay's been getting gradually more unstable, and to me it feels like - assuming TTA/Hoody are the same person / collaborating - he's been "conditioned" to be distrustful of Tim, with all the "LIAR" messages, subliminal and not. Calling him a failure, as if to provoke him into being more active in this whole mess. I can't help but wonder if Jay would've heard Tim out without exposure to TTA/Hoody's messages.

Of course, as others have said, this begs the question: why can't Hoody do what he's trying to accomplish himself? Perhaps at a stretch it relies on his identity being necessarily hidden from Jay (and perhaps Tim), or that to do what he needs to accomplish will have potentially fatal consequences on whoever's involved. In any case, Hoody did not want Jay and Tim together in his plans. Whether he was doing it as the "right" thing, or whether Tim's lies are white ones and Hoody is destroying their friendship for his own plans remains to be seen.

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UnnnamedMan
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My break down on events and timing:

This event occurred a few hours after Entry#77. It was uploaded now because Jay is finally comfortable with letting the world see the results of what Tim did to him, or it took him a while to get over the sickness he got from the event. Possibly he spend days in chase of Hoody or something without stopping for internet.

After Tim left in Entry #77 he went directly to the address Hoody had given them. Hoody was there, but was not happy that only Tim came. What he did to Tim in response is unknown, but certainly he saw Entry #77 and went to untie Jay.
Reasons he chose a knife over scissors?
1. Scissors are hard to use while zip tied.
2. Scaring Jay a bit isn't all bad. He apparently wants to get him motivated.

After dropping the knife there for Jay, he wrote on the mirror and left while Jay was still working on sawing his way out of zip-ties with a kitchen knife. Shortly or immediately after he finished untying himself, the Operator seems to have appeared or at least been present, as the camera dies and Jay becomes sick. This might be because Hoody summoned him deliberately (it would explain why he left the camera focused on Jay, and possibly why he drew the symbol. We know from the entry in Alex's house that the Operator likes to have a camera around the help him find people. Hoody helpld TO find Jay by focusing the camera on him). Jay got sick, knew he was going crazy, and searched for pills. Not finding any he continued to be consumed by Alex-like rage. Recognizing what has happened to himself, he is ready to just go down fighting rather than live the kind of life that Alex and Tim have for so many years, of constantly going crazy and such.
Last Chance means that it is Jay's last chance to do as Hoody told and come to the address. There he probably has Alex in captivity, but is afraid to do anything to him because he knows threatening Alex brings in TO. Someone willing to pay the price of fighting with the presence of the Operator must do the fighting, and Jay and Tim are the only one's yet to do so.

And I am so sad that this might be ending....

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device
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I find it somewhat heartening that Jay was sane enough to disregard the big knife and take the flashlight instead. (I can't imagine how hard it would be to try to fight with a knife while holding a camera the entire time anyway....)

If Hoody really wanted Jay to "win", wouldn't he have given him the gun? Is Jay merely going to be distracting Alex so Hoody can accomplish whatever he needs to accomplish while Alex is busy? This stills feels like a trap to me, but one laid by Hoody, not Alex.

One thing I've always wondered is this...
Has Hoody been deliberately forcing Jay into proximity with the Operator in order to "proxify" him? He would be able to use Jay better if he's more unstable?
Entry 19: Hoody shows up in Jay's room, later we see Jay on the floor and OP casually strolling past him.
Entry 50: Masky leads Jay to the tunnel (and we all know what happens in the tunnel) Camera cuts out, Jay loses time.
Entry 60: Hoody makes Jay go into the underground tunnel to find Tim's records (not even that useful to him, most info deleted). Why didn't he just leave them in Jay's car, or something simpler? Because he know Alex was in the building and Jay would encounter the Operator? Again, camera cuts out, Jay says everything was a blur...
Entry 62: Hoody guilt-trips Jay into trying to find Tim in Rosswood... intead Jay is abducted and loses time.

I've just wondered why Hoody was always leading Jay into contact with TO. I feel like Hoody was baiting Jay with Jessica... he doesn't necessarily want him to find her, he just wants Jay to be exposed again.

Sorry for the wall of text...

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pestoner
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I was amused by the fact that jay was already in a sitting position against that wall when tim left him,but apparently opted to lay back on the floor face down Laughing

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Sha Noran
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Not a lot to discuss. Definitely thought Hoody might roll up to save him, so it wasn't really a shocking Entry in any way. The first time I watched it, I thought Jay's pleas of "wait!" were trying to stop Hoody from stabbing him, which was terrifying and I thought the dialogue was chillingly realistic... But upon rewatching, I realize Hoody just left the camera and knife, went to the mirror and wrote his note, then left, prompting Jay to insist he wait. Not bad but frankly not as creepy as it was the first time when i thought "wait" translated to "i don't wanna die, not yet!". Initially reminded me of Saving Private Ryan, with the melee fight toward the end with the German soldier stabbing the American in the heart and the American's desperation to stop him at the end. Oh well.

What was Jay doing when Hoody came in? If I was bound that way, I would've gotten out in about 5-15 minutes (scoot/roll to kitchen, shimmy up wall, get knife), yet Jay was just laying there lamenting his predicament. I posit Hoody didn't even wait to see Tim posting the video, etc., but rather just had been stalking Jay anyway, as he tends to do, saw Tim leave and thus went to investigate Jay's fate, resulting in Entry 78. Pretty straightforward.

Interesting to see Jay frantically searching for pills - if there was ever a reason to ally with Tim, at this point believing the pills are a TO defense is it.

As far as the IG and OOG time argument, I could be swayed either way. It makes perfect sense that this may have happened immediately after 77, but Jay chose not to upload it until now due to fear of giving himself up to Tim, Alex, etc... However its also BS because I don't see why Tim wouldn't have posted something regarding his adventure to South Creek or the fact that he returned home and Jay was gone. Maybe Tim never returned? Possible, but I'm more inclined to believe that the IG/OOG time parallel is no longer relevant to any extremity of degree.

Speaking of, when and how did Tim even upload 77? Wtf?

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DHawk314
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Sha Noran wrote:
Speaking of, when and how did Tim even upload 77? Wtf?


I always assumed Tim stopped at a rest stop and uploaded it with his laptop or something before going to the college, in case he didn't come back.

When the entry first came out I assumed Tim had gone to the college and not come back, and having just broke free Jay decided to go look for him. But then I realized that'd mean Jay was lying there for 15 days which is silly. It's probably not even the next day, it's probably the same day in my opinion.

Normally I'd say it's plausible that this happened the day of 77 but Jay only uploaded it now, except I think Jay was planning to go to 79 South Creek Road the same day, and Jay uploaded this in case he didn't come back, similar to what Tim did.

In other words, if Jay's all gung ho about finding Tim and Alex and ending all of this, why wait 15 days to go to upload this and THEN go to the address? No, I agree that IG time probably =/= OOG time, and that the past 15 days + however long it takes for the next entry to come out is likely all the same day in IG time. So just think that in Marble Hornets land, time is slowed down and we've been waiting weeks now for one day to come to it's climax.

Or, you can think what I think which is that IG=OOG time when the creators feel like it, such as during the 7 months, and doesn't when they don't feel like it, like now. Because it's fictional and it's not a part of the story the creators probably want us to focus on. If it bothers you, that's perfectly understandable, but I wouldn't make any attempts to rationalize it.

I also want to say for the record that I do not think this is the beginning of the final act, I think we've been in the final act for a while now, I'm predicting 79 will be the last entry, besides perhaps some sort of epilogue. It's been hinted at for so long. Ever since Jay and Tim decided to go to Tim's house to take down Alex, I've been saying it was ending. I thought them gong back there and encountering Alex might be the ending, and that was only further exasperated by the conversation Jay and Tim had, where they talk about what to do if they come out on top in a fight with Alex and it all ends.

When they got there and he was kidnapped it just seemed more like a set up for the end. The "I have him" note reeked of climax. Then they pretty much tied up Jessica's storyline, and while it was left somewhat ambiguous, it was satisfying enough to end her arch, if it is over.

So there's been a lot of vague hints about it ending which I've latched onto a bit prematurely, so why do I think this one is the real end? Because Hoody is saying stuff like "This is your final chance" and Jay is saying stuff like "I'm going to end all of this,"; I've been noticing implicit things hinting towards an ending, but they're only becoming explicit now.

Or maybe I'm wrong again about this being the ending, but ya know what, I don't think so. What kind of pay off would it be for Hoody to say it's Jay's final chance only for Jay's never ending investigation to continue on even after whatever happens at the college happens? I think this is it, so ready yourself guys and gals.
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geekgirlinthefedora
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DHawk314 wrote:
So there's been a lot of vague hints about it ending which I've latched onto a bit prematurely, so why do I think this one is the real end? Because Hoody is saying stuff like "This is your final chance" and Jay is saying stuff like "I'm going to end all of this,"; I've been noticing implicit things hinting towards an ending, but they're only becoming explicit now.

Or maybe I'm wrong again about this being the ending, but ya know what, I don't think so. What kind of pay off would it be for Hoody to say it's Jay's final chance only for Jay's never ending investigation to continue on even after whatever happens at the college happens? I think this is it, so ready yourself guys and gals.


I think that the end is very very near for whatever's gonna happen with Jay/Tim/Alex and their showdown, but no one seems to be addressing the tall, dark and skinny elephant in the room? Sure, taking down Alex is gonna accomplish something but what about TO? They're gonna have to deal with that at some point and soon.

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CraicIsMighty
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pestoner wrote:
I was amused by the fact that jay was already in a sitting position against that wall when tim left him,but apparently opted to lay back on the floor face down Laughing


He might've tried to stand up and get the knife after Tim left but fell over.

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PsychoHippie
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Janthran wrote:
>There's not really much to dig into about this
ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME
I JUST CHECKED THE URL BAR AND THIS IS STILL UNFICTION

DID YOU NOTICE HOODY PASSED OVER THE SCISSORS TO GRAB A KNIFE
HE WANTS JAY TO FIGHT WITH THE KNIFE
THAT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE REASON

*waits*


This would be the the second time Hoody/TTA has insinuated that Jay should take a knife...

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TheSupremeFace
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You know...there are multiple cameras in the world....Hoody could've just given him his

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hachiman
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Can't wait for #79. It still won't be the last entry tho, yeah?

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geekgirlinthefedora
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hachiman wrote:
Can't wait for #79. It still won't be the last entry tho, yeah?


Unless it is a long, long, loooooong entry then probably not. Still too many questions to answer.
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CraicIsMighty
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I feel like we have at least ten more entries. I honestly wouldn't be that shocked if we made it into triple digit entries before this thing finishes. There's still a lot of unsolved mysteries. I don't think Jay saying "I'm going to find Alex and end this" necessarily indicates that endgame is so soon.

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UnnnamedMan
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Trosephim (particularly Troy) has said OOG that MH is planned to end at the end of Season 3, and Season 3 has nearly (or already) had it's fair share of 26 episodes).


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Ristar
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I really hope the answers we want get answered in the next entry/entries or if they are just gonna do a battle royale and everyone is gonna be dead in the end i hope Trosephim can make a video answering the riddles.

The way i see it 2 things happened, either Tim didn't make it and Hoody took the camera, or this entry happens right after #77 (I just think that Hoody knew where Jay was already even before #77 was uploaded).

If this entry happens right after #77 i hope Jay makes it to the surprise party they have for him

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