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First time poster, but that's besides the point.
Okay, here's my two cents on Tim not using the chest-cam right away:
Originally I figured that the camera Hoody gave Jay in Entry 78 is Jay's camera, the same one Tim took from him in 77 for all intents and purposes. My theory was that inbetween 77 and 78, Tim had a run-in with Hoody at the college, the latter which overpowered Tim into submission, retreiving the camera. It made less sense the more I thought about it, if we are to assume that 78 takes place shortly after 77, and Hoody would've had to go all the way back to Tim's house, and then back to college again, which sounds pretty tedious, although reconing Entry 73, Hoody going to such lenghts may not be that far stretched.
Perhaps he and Tim did encounter each other prior to Jay's arrival, and Hoody did steal Jay's camera from him. It'd makes sense why he would want it, since Hoody has been left without a camera as of the previous entry, if of course the camera he gave Jay in 78 is his (though I'm doubting Hoody has a multiple set of cameras, those things don't grow on trees).
Hell, Tim might've managed to record Hoody's identity or whatever else Hoody doesn't want Jay to know yet, that is, of course, assuming Tim actually recorded anything, since he's not as camera-crazy like Jay is, although the beginning of Entry 74 might refute this.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:53 pm
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Marble Hornets wrote:
There's no operator there, your mind is convincing your eyes that he's there when he's not.


I gotta agree with Pravado on this one, as I also watched the video in 720p full screen-- if the Operator was present, he did not make his presence known either through manifestation or video distortion-- there was no appearance from the Tall Man at all in this video... which is odd. Though the gurney with the body obviously underneath it was weird but Jay declined to even acknowledge it. The covered gurney with a scalpel next to a dozen pictures of Alex...

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A Few things:

Marble Hornets wrote:
There's no operator there, your mind is convincing your eyes that he's there when he's not.


Yeah, I have to agree with him. I don't see the operator there. And I've said in the past, his appearance in most cases aren't that important. If he was truely there, Like he said, there would have been distortion. Not to mention Both Tim AND Jay would have had coughing fits if he was right there. Only Hoody seemed to have had a coughing problem that time (Which is largely uncharacteristic of him). Maybe Hoody had an off screen encounter with The Operator?

On the Subject of Hoody Coughing, that was definitely a male cough. Not a female. I can pretty much say with confidence that completely rules out any theories of Hoody being Sarah, Jessica, or Amy. Unless that was a mistake by the actor, but it clearly shows Hoody in a weakened state leaning against a table. I don't believe it was a mistake by Trosephim.

Are you people forgetting about 3G/4G cell phones? Jay could have easily uploaded the video through his cell phone, transferring the sd card from his camcorder to his phone. Yeah sure it was an abandoned college, but the likely hood of a cell tower being around there is pretty good. Youtube has tons of ways to upload videos to its website. Its not really far fetched to believe that he did it through his phone.

Also based on the last couple of entries, I refuse to believe any longer that the IG time is relative to OOG time in any significant way. Look at Entry 75. It was released in August 23rd. Thats when the they found the note and discovered Alex has been captured. Given the last time we saw Alex in relative realtime, Entry 67 (Feb 15), we can assume Hoody captured Alex within a few days or weeks of that Entry (As he was in a weakened state, would've been easy to recover him after The Operator Left). 77 and 78 take place about a half month apart. That means Jay was being held in Tims House for 2 or 3 weeks before Hoody came to the rescue. And it took Jay a month to go to the college and look for Alex (who's been held in captivity for more than half a year mind you). Now Jay is sitting and waiting (For god only knows how long and for what reason), to do something about Alex, when he's just RIGHT THERE, and KNOWS where he is. Not to mention Tim AND Hoody being in the near proximity.

Really begs the question, what the hell is Jay waiting for this time? Tim or Hoody to do something first? Is he waiting for The Operator (He'll just run away like a scared little puppy if he shows up). Unless Jay is actually showing some intelligence and expects it all to be one big trap for him. If thats the case, than I actually applaud Jay for waiting. It definitely looks like a trap any way you analyze the current situation.
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Well that was a lot of fun, most enjoyable entry in awhile.

I got two things from this entry that not many other people seem to have picked up though:

1. Hoody is most definitely male. The obvious possibility here is Brian, but that doesn't quite explain his behavior towards Jay. Hoody, whether acting positively or negatively, seems to just be ushering Jay down a certain path, though we don't know what that path is. Many have called him a chessmaster/puppermaster because of this. But what if he's doing it because he has to? What if he's future Jay? And he's just forcing Jay to do what he needs to do to ensure his existence?

2. Someone pointed this out, but didn't go as far as they could with it. Alex is clearly held hostage in the hall. Why on earth hasn't TO busted him out yet? It's possible it's because TO is waiting for everyone to assemble, or because Alex hasn't been threatened, but what if it's something else? Specifically, what if it's the ARK? If the ARK keeps TO away, then that would Definitely explain why he hasn't gone into the hall yet, since it's there too.

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Amazing entry. Hoody is definitely male due to the cough. It sounded like Brian, but don't take my word for it, because I'm probably only hearing what I want to hear.

I still believe that the ARK is the pitch black place Tim went to and found Bruce, which I was torn on until totheark mentioned "The place with no light". But what I want to know is how Alex is connected to it.

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Between entries 78 and 79, Hoody appears to have done a 180° turn. At least, in my opinion. He/she went from helping Jay out of his captivity to swingin' a wrench with a vengeance. It actually makes me wonder if Hoody is just one person, similarly to how many speculate that ToTheArk is multiple people. (By the way, the note confirms for me that Hoody is ToTheArk, or at least a part of its organization). It could be that all the speculation to Hoody's identity is correct; Hoody is Amy sometimes, Brian sometimes, and Seth sometimes, or some combination thereof. I think it'd be interesting, if unlikely.

On the assumption that Hoody is just one person, it appears that his/her mania is more erratic that I previously thought. Doing a heel/face (or face/heel, whatever) turn like he/she has done in the past two entries implies a level of instability I didn't suspect, considering that Hoody appeared to be at least nominally in control of himself most of the time. Either that or his motivation is even murkier than I thought. Hmm.

I did like the location, but not the edits. Jay deliberately made cuts to the footage of him following Tim a couple of times; he goes from sneaking behind Tim on the sidewalk to jogging across the lawn (between 6:50 and 7:05). I think he also cuts after he bumps the chair. It makes me doubt Jay just a little bit. (Yes, I understand that it wouldn't be feasible to show every second of Jay's life and encounters with strangeness, it just makes me slightly uneasy at how simple it is to hide information from us. I don't think I've ever really considered that before).

"Find Alex
Find the Ark"

This makes me curious to see if the note is two separate requests, or an "If-Then" statement. If it's the latter, it seems to indicate that Alex has the Ark (or is the Ark, though I'm tired of that theory and am pretty sure it's been debunked). If that's the case, then why didn't Hoody/ToTheArk just take the Ark him/her/themselves when they had him? If they're two separate requests, how about telling Jay what to freakin' look for?

Ugh. Ambiguity. Language is so inadequate sometimes.

I suppose that Hoody/ToTheArk might be incapable of being clear. Someone asked a while back how The Operator communicates with people, and I've always thought that his communication was basically like watching a ToTheArk upload: confusing, gilded with metaphor, riddled with codes and double meanings. Maybe four to seven years of constant confusion warped his/her/their perceptions and left them without the ability to communicate in a rational, straightforward way. Or maybe he/she/they are just crazy.

Those doubting or wondering how Jay uploaded this might want to note that this is a school, and that only some of the buildings were unused. It's perfectly believable that there is WiFi on the campus; all Jay would need is his laptop.

I do find it odd that he would just sort of hang out and watch the building. As previously noted, his plans usually come down to heading in and hoping for the best, which is probably what will happen anyway. Waiting doesn't seem to be helping his situation any, unless Alex is free, and Jay is hoping that he can spot him while he's on his own.

Either that, or I think he uploaded this while either deliberately or subconsciously hoping that Tim would see it and come join him.

Loved the tension in this entry. Hoping and praying that we get a few answers in the next one.

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Did anyone else think that Joseph had a little too much fun in those photos? He looks like he's posing and having a grand time. It's good to love what you do.


Edit: Even without campus WiFi, it's ridiculously easy to use a smartphone as a hotspot, even without paying for it. Free tethering isn't hard at all to figure out.

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The operator does NOT always cause distortion.

The main characters do NOT always cough when around the operator.
(remember Jay and Tim in the tunnel? Tim coughs up a storm, Jay does not.)

I think the distortion occurs mostly when TO is exerting some sort of "influence", mind control or timey-wimey stuff.

The only person coughing was Hoody... the slight buzz of distortion was occurring during his attack on Jay.

It looks like Hoody is no longer able to use Tim's meds to protect himself from TO's control. I have a feeling that when Hoody's control wavered, TO showed up, fried Hoody's brains and Alex escaped. Alex may be in the Benedict building, but I bet he's not tied to any chair. After all, if Hoody wanted Jay to attack Alex, why didn't he just leave him in the room he imprisoned him in the first place? He seems to be showing the paranoia and aggressiveness consistent with TO exposure.

I think I love the idea that now, Tim is the sanest one of the group.

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device wrote:
The operator does NOT always cause distortion.


I know, I'm saying if the Operator was present, he did not choose to make his presence known. Like the scary voice that possesses Jack Wagner in Amityville 2.

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UnQuantifiable wrote:
A Few things:

Marble Hornets wrote:
There's no operator there, your mind is convincing your eyes that he's there when he's not.


Yeah, I have to agree with him. I don't see the operator there. And I've said in the past, his appearance in most cases aren't that important. If he was truely there, Like he said, there would have been distortion. Not to mention Both Tim AND Jay would have had coughing fits if he was right there. Only Hoody seemed to have had a coughing problem that time (Which is largely uncharacteristic of him). Maybe Hoody had an off screen encounter with The Operator?

On the Subject of Hoody Coughing, that was definitely a male cough. Not a female. I can pretty much say with confidence that completely rules out any theories of Hoody being Sarah, Jessica, or Amy. Unless that was a mistake by the actor, but it clearly shows Hoody in a weakened state leaning against a table. I don't believe it was a mistake by Trosephim.

Are you people forgetting about 3G/4G cell phones? Jay could have easily uploaded the video through his cell phone, transferring the sd card from his camcorder to his phone. Yeah sure it was an abandoned college, but the likely hood of a cell tower being around there is pretty good. Youtube has tons of ways to upload videos to its website. Its not really far fetched to believe that he did it through his phone.

Also based on the last couple of entries, I refuse to believe any longer that the IG time is relative to OOG time in any significant way. Look at Entry 75. It was released in August 23rd. Thats when the they found the note and discovered Alex has been captured. Given the last time we saw Alex in relative realtime, Entry 67 (Feb 15), we can assume Hoody captured Alex within a few days or weeks of that Entry (As he was in a weakened state, would've been easy to recover him after The Operator Left). 77 and 78 take place about a half month apart. That means Jay was being held in Tims House for 2 or 3 weeks before Hoody came to the rescue. And it took Jay a month to go to the college and look for Alex (who's been held in captivity for more than half a year mind you). Now Jay is sitting and waiting (For god only knows how long and for what reason), to do something about Alex, when he's just RIGHT THERE, and KNOWS where he is. Not to mention Tim AND Hoody being in the near proximity.

Really begs the question, what the hell is Jay waiting for this time? Tim or Hoody to do something first? Is he waiting for The Operator (He'll just run away like a scared little puppy if he shows up). Unless Jay is actually showing some intelligence and expects it all to be one big trap for him. If thats the case, than I actually applaud Jay for waiting. It definitely looks like a trap any way you analyze the current situation.



Most cameras use SD, not microSD (which is what phones take). Sure Jay could be carrying an adapter but that's too many coincidences for something so miniscule. Uploading a 15 minute HD video to youtube from your phone would take hours even on 4g. If he had a laptop, he would have to go back to his car to upload it and even then it's hard to believe he found a place nearby with free wifi just to upload it since he said he was in a secluded wooded area. You can claim it's possible all you want, it's still not practical or something a reasonable person would do.

It's clearly just due to them playing it off as if OOG time gaps don't exist, just done incredibly poorly. It's dumb to try and believe that Jay left, uploaded the video, and then would go back for the next entry. Especially since everyone's there already. Tim isn't going to leave and come back, and Jay isn't going to risk Tim finding Alex while he leaves to upload the video.

Basically, we're supposed to pretend Jay had the means of uploading it there in that room somehow. IRL that is not really possible, so we have to suspend our disbelief. My problem with this being done constantly is that they can avoid it if they just make entry wait times twice as long, but combine the two entries where there would be a gap. When all is said and done, they can't go back and reshoot things, and critics are going to pick the series apart with regards to things like this.


To the guy who says the operator doesn't always cause distortion, find me an example of that in season 2 or 3 and I'll admit you're right. Every time he has appeared, distortion has occurred.

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Doesn't Jay have a hard-drive based video-camera, now? I mean, it used to be VHS-Cs, but I'm pretty sure it's an internal 2.5" HDD, now, like the one in the safe at the hotel.

Maybe he has a tablet, like an iPad or something that takes really high quality video... My iPad can record Blu-Ray quality video.

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Tim has Jay's camera. Jay has hoody's (which has shown in the past to use casette tapes)

He's clearly using hoody's camera, not an ipad.

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Marble Hornets wrote:

Basically, we're supposed to pretend Jay had the means of uploading it there in that room somehow. IRL that is not really possible, so we have to suspend our disbelief.


Edit: Spoilered, as requested by Hazman.

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I use my phone as a hotspot all the time. I live on Long Island in an area that hasn't gotten LTE yet, and still get about 2.5MB/s uptime. If Jay has literally nothing to do but sit and wait for something to happen, he'd just need a laptop to upload the video (I find it hard to believe that he's been using library computers or something else to upload each entry, so a laptop is most likely in my opinion). YouTube has a 2GB limit on file sizes uploaded to the site, so, assuming it's reached said limit, it could still be uploaded in under an hour or two (realistic time; uptime is more variable than downtime).

Nowhere near impossible, is my point. For a guy as obsessed with documenting his every move and uploading the evidence for the world to see, it would make sense that Jay knows what he needs to have in order to upload at any given time.


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I feel like the note was saying Alex is the Ark, so if it was debunked somewhere on this forum, it needs to be reiterated. The note sounds as if when you find Alex, you have found the Ark, in my opinion. But I also thought, like the person commenting above, that the Ark was the place where Bruce is, so this is very confusing.

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Wow that was a lot of suspense in that video had me on the edge the whole time, I kept thinking Tim would see him or Hoody would be waiting in that room for Jay. But that cliffhanger, also I was certain we were gunna get Hoody's reveal this time. Maybe next entry. Also that screenshot someone posted of the pictures of Alex on the wall and Jay's light shining on it reminds me of a game but I can't remember what. Or maybe I just want it to be a game.

I think Jay's sneak must be 100 or something for Tim not to have spotted him.

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Also quit arguing about how it was uploaded or at least spoiler it

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Watched the episode twice and I think I have a theory as to why Jay doesn't just break a window to get into Benedict Hall. What if he's watching to see when Hoody or Tim comes back? He knows that Hoody's the one who took Alex, and he most likely would come back to either feed or torture Alex at some point, plus since he most likely does not trust Tim at this point, he probably thinks that they're back to working together, maybe even have been all along.

Anyway, it would probably be a lot easier to just let them lead him to Alex, rather than trying to make his way through a dark, scary building on his own.

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